Normal people aren?t even proud of being normal; they take it for granted. But “pride” in an abnormality?
Not only are heterosexuals not proud, but if they even thought about a straight pride parade, the groupthinking diversiphobic press would slaughter them before they got started."
I do agree with this. I don’t understand gay pride. How about not ashamed. That’s perfectly legitimate. But I don’t understand what there is to be proud of, especially as their sexual orientation is not in their control.
But your ACTIONS are always under your control.
Asking people not to have sex at all is asking a hell of a lot if that’s what you’re suggesting. Asking them not to have unprotected sex, not sleep with a lot of people, and not engage in drug use-well, those are their own choices. But I agree that if they want to improve their health as a community and also to gain esteem and respect in the eyes of the rest of America, they need to get their act together. [/quote]
Tell me how do supposedly “gay” men have heterosexual sex?
But this happens with a large percentage of them. How can that be?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
If gay marriage were legal:
Your children, my children, and any children attending public school would be taught that being gay is OK
Hate to break it to you-this is happening in a lot of places anyhow
So is rape, what’s your point?
In what schools is rape being taught as “ok”?
The poster remarked that it was “happening in a lot of places.” Meaning not necessarily schools.[/quote]
Actually, his comment meant it was being accepted in schools in a lot of places. I do believe that you are the one that misunderstood. Either way, it still doesn’t explain your own comment because where is rape ever ok? Are you saying you believe that rape is ok in “a lot of places”? But my comprehension is bad?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Tell me how do supposedly “gay” men have heterosexual sex?
But this happens with a large percentage of them. How can that be?
[/quote]
How do straight guys have sex with really ugly chicks? This happens in a large percentage. How can that be?
How about because the act of sex, while biological, is contributed to largely by mental stimuli allowing visualization and mental projection to also come into play. It is how that ugly fat chick can be “pretended” into being Pam Anderson as long as you keep your eyes closed. If you didn’t know, I am sure your wife could get you off in your sleep. How could that happen? Because the biology of sex is hardwired into our systems.
While sexual positions and techniques can be learned, the actual act doesn’t exactly take any schooling. You could set two sexually uneducated teenagers on a deserted island and they would be able to figure it out.
With that in mind, while desire can not be controlled and you simply like what you like, when it comes to sex (especially for guys) in can simply be an act with no emotional attachment.
This time WMD begins and ends with an insult. That seems to be the strongest point that the other side has. They sure can name call quite well.
[quote]please read lawrence v. texas:
Lawrence & Garner v. State of Texas
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that sodomy laws are unconstitutional on June 26, 2003.
Now that I have once again “owned” your ignorant ass, please STFU up about state laws against gay sex.[/quote]
Hey lorisco for some reason lesbians like to talk about OWNING people from the other side.
(shaking head and smiling) That’s no way to fit into legitimate society WMD.
[quote]None of you people (ZEB, tinyivan, etc.) has proven that the things you fantasize gay men doing (butt sex, blow jobs, etc.) is somehow less harmful when straight people do them. Your logic and reasoning are perverse. You post stats that you understand not at all. Here are some stats for you: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?[/quote]
LOL you posted about how AIDS is being spread in San Fransico. Gee now I wonder why AIDS is more prevelant in that place? Hey…do you think it’s because of the HUGE gay population?
WMD you are funny!
Both of which are lower than the general homosexual population!
Yes AIDS is a national problem no doubt. But these stats are still true:
"A CDC report revealed that, in 1997, 45 percent of homosexuals reporting having had unprotected anal intercourse during the previous six months did not know the HIV serostatus of all their sex partners. Even more alarming, among those who reported having had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple partners, 68 percent did not know the HIV serostatus of their partners.[6]
A Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health study of three-hundred-sixty-one young men who have sex with men (MSM) aged fifteen to twenty-two found that around 40 percent of participants reported having had anal-insertive sex, and around 30 percent said they had had anal-receptive sex.
Thirty-seven percent said they had not used a condom for anal sex during their last same-sex encounter. Twenty-one percent of the respondents reported using drugs or alcohol during their last same-sex encounter.[7]
A five-year CDC study of 3,492 homosexual males aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one-quarter had unprotected sex with both men and women. Another cdc study of 1,942 homosexual and bisexual men with HIV found that 19 percent had at least one episode of unprotected anal sex–the riskiest sexual behavior–in 1998 and 1997, a 50 percent increase from the previous two years.[8]
Homosexual Promiscuity. Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:
A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.[9]
In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[10]
A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.[11]
In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that “few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.”[12]
Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of “committed” typically means something radically different from marriage.
Risky Sexual Behavior on the Rise Among Homosexuals. Despite two decades of intensive efforts to educate homosexuals against the dangers of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) and other stds, the incidence of unsafe sexual practices that often result in various diseases is on the rise.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1994 to 1997 the proportion of homosexuals reporting having had anal sex increased from 57.6 percent to 61.2 percent, while the percentage of those reporting “always” using condoms declined from 69.6 percent to 60 percent.[2]
The CDC reported that during the same period the proportion of men reporting having multiple sex partners and unprotected anal sex increased from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent. The largest increase in this category (from 22 percent to 33.3 percent) was reported by homosexuals twenty-five years old or younger.[3]
Homosexuals Failing to Disclose Their HIV Status to Sex Partners
?A study presented July 13, 2000 at the XIII International aids Conference in Durban, South Africa disclosed that a significant number of homosexual and bisexual men with hiv “continue to engage in unprotected sex with people who have no idea they could be contracting HIV.”[4] Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco found that thirty-six percent of homosexuals engaging in unprotected oral, anal, or vaginal sex failed to disclose that they were HIV positive to casual sex partners.[5]"
Yes, I know WMD (pats her on her little head) the CDC and Johns Hopkins University are both HOMOPHOBIC! LOL give it up lady.
[quote]Who is at highest risk for suicide in the U.S.?
"There is a common perception that suicide rates are highest among the young. However, it is the elderly, particularly older white males that have the highest rates. And among white males 65 and older, risk goes up with age. White men 85 and older have a suicide rate that is six times that of the overall national rate.[/quote]
The above is a good example of liberal twisting and turning. They do this with the Bible as well. When they don’t like what is said they try to find a way out.
No one ever claimed that gays had the highest suicide rate in the country! And seeing that you are a bright person I think you know that.
What was stated is that gays have a higher suicide rate than the average population-Which is certainly bad enough don’t you think? Especially in light of all the other negative consequences of the homosexual act.
Here is the truth:
"Bailey, J.M. (1999, October). Homosexuality and Mental Illness. Archives of General Psychiatry. 56: 883-884.
Homosexual people are at a substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression and anxiety disorder. Gay, lesbian, or bisexual people were at an increased lifetime risk for suicidal ideation and behavior, major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence."
Did you read that" “SUBSTANTIALLY HIGER RISK.”
And here are more stats for you to digest:
"Fergusson, D., Horwood., L., Beautrais, A. (1999) Is sexual orientation related to mental health problems and suicidality in young people? Archives of General Psychiatry. 56, 10:876-888.
The gay, lesbian, bisexual subjects have significantly higher rates of: suicidal ideation (67.9%/29.0%), suicide attempt (32.1%/7.1%), and psychiatric disorders age 14-21 ? major depression (71.4%/38.2%), generalized anxiety disorder (28.5%/12.5%), conduct disorder (32.1%11.0%), nicotine dependence (64.3%/26.7%), other substance abuse/dependence (60.7%/44.3%), and multiple disorders (78.6%/38.2%) than the heterosexual sample. (p. 879)
Findings support recent evidence suggesting that gay, lesbian, and bisexual young people are at increased risk of mental health problems, with these associations being particularly evident for measures of suicidal behavior and multiple disorder."
PHEW…uuugly…
Yes indeed they are!
Garafolo, R., Wolf, R., Kessel, S., Palfrey, J., DuRant, R., (1998) The association between health risk behaviors and sexual orientation among a school-based sample of adolescents: Youth risk behavior survey. Pediatrics. 101, 5:895-903.
Gay and bisexual teenagers take more risks, and engage in risky behavior earlier in life, than teenagers who describe themselves as heterosexual. GLB [gay, lesbian, bisexual] teenagers were more likely to consider or attempt suicide, abuse alcohol or drugs, participate in risky sexual activity, or be victimized, and to initiate these behaviors earlier.
Sems that there are studies, but you just don’t like what they have to say. Take the blinders off.
Oh no a lesbian who is into domination.
I can see you now all dressed up in your leather, high heels and whip. 200 rock solid pounds of lesbo domination…Yea any man would like that (eye roll)
Never let it be said that your side actually has an argument-So please continue the insults.
[quote]Get on your knees, wormboy.
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She is once again being consitent. Ending with an insult. But when the facts don’t back up your premise I guess that’s all you have…
Actually, his comment meant it was being accepted in schools in a lot of places. I do believe that you are the one that misunderstood. Either way, it still doesn’t explain your own comment because where is rape ever ok? Are you saying you believe that rape is ok in “a lot of places”? But my comprehension is bad?
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Professor I do know from discussing other issues with you that you are very good at twisting and turning with the wind. In fact, I think most of us know that about you.
My reply was meant to mean that rape is also happening in a lot of places but it’s still not okay.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Tell me how do supposedly “gay” men have heterosexual sex?
But this happens with a large percentage of them. How can that be?
.[/quote]
Fantasizing, my friend. And exactly what professor X said. You’re having sex with a not-so attractive girl and you’re thinking of that hot girl you used to date. You almost even fool yourself as to the feel of the body. The mind is a potent thing. They do the same thing. Only think of a man. Your’e a big fan of studies. Why don’t you find some testimony of gay guys who came out of the closet.
I’m sure they’re out there. And I sure they explain how they did it better than anyone else ever could.
Actually, his comment meant it was being accepted in schools in a lot of places. I do believe that you are the one that misunderstood. Either way, it still doesn’t explain your own comment because where is rape ever ok? Are you saying you believe that rape is ok in “a lot of places”? But my comprehension is bad?
Professor I do know from discussing other issues with you that you are very good at twisting and turning with the wind. In fact, I think most of us know that about you.
My reply was meant to mean that rape is also happening in a lot of places but it’s still not okay.
D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D N O W
[/quote]
Personally, I understood this as the implication all along. I just don’t see it as valid. Rape is unequivocally accepted as wrong. The fact that you and others think homosexuality is wrong does not make it so. Others disagree. It’s a matter of legitimate dispute unlike rape which is not disputed.
How do straight guys have sex with really ugly chicks? This happens in a large percentage. How can that be?[/quote]
Without a doubt the most ignorant statement yet made on this thread!
(clears throat) IT IS STILL HETEROSEXUAL SEX.
If someone is supposedly “gay” that means they are supposed to be ONLY interested in having homosexual sex. However, this is not always the case. Which could be one idication that there is less of a genetic role played than the your side would like to think.
How many purely heterosexual men have you seen in your lifetime who have had sex with another man? Do you know why they don’t? Because they are heterosexuals.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?
Emotional attatchment? That has nothing to do with this argument. LOL
If someone is gay they are not supposed to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex. However, there seems to be plenty of alleged gay men having sex with women. Again how many heterosexual men have sex with another man?
You cannot explain that by “emotional attatchment.”
You really need to either jump in this thread and do some reading or stay the heck out because you are making an ass of your self…Oh wait that matters not you are Prof X.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Tell me how do supposedly “gay” men have heterosexual sex?
But this happens with a large percentage of them. How can that be?
.
Fantasizing, my friend. And exactly what professor X said. You’re having sex with a not-so attractive girl and you’re thinking of that hot girl you used to date. You almost even fool yourself as to the feel of the body. The mind is a potent thing. They do the same thing. Only think of a man. Your’e a big fan of studies. Why don’t you find some testimony of gay guys who came out of the closet.
I’m sure they’re out there. And I sure they explain how they did it better than anyone else ever could.[/quote]
LMAO…the first thing you need to learn in these Internet debates is don’t ever follow Prof X’s lead. You will wind up following him off a cliff somewhere.
If a supposedly gay man can become aroused with a woman then I suppose it should work the other way around right?
You think that the typical guy has the desire and the ability to have sex with his lifting buddy (for example) by fantasizing about Pamela Anderson?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Actually, his comment meant it was being accepted in schools in a lot of places. I do believe that you are the one that misunderstood. Either way, it still doesn’t explain your own comment because where is rape ever ok? Are you saying you believe that rape is ok in “a lot of places”? But my comprehension is bad?
Professor I do know from discussing other issues with you that you are very good at twisting and turning with the wind. In fact, I think most of us know that about you.
My reply was meant to mean that rape is also happening in a lot of places but it’s still not okay.
D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D N O W
Personally, I understood this as the implication all along.
[/quote]
I know you understood jsbrook, as would most anyone.
Your reading comp skills are miles above Prof X’s. And your cantankerous level is also much lower.
Again, Zeb. Why don’t you investigate? This issue seems important to you. Or do you only want to delve into studies and accounts that support the opinions you’ve already formed?
LMAO…the first thing you need to learn in these Internet debates is don’t ever follow Prof X’s lead. You will wind up following him off a cliff somewhere.
If a supposedly gay man can become aroused with a woman then I suppose it should work the other way around right?
You think that the typical guy has the desire and the ability to have sex with his lifting buddy (for example) by fantasizing about Pamela Anderson?
Maybe you and the Professor better think again…
Comeback with better stuff please.
[/quote]
Not aroused by the woman he’s actually sleeping with, friend. Aroused by the man in his head. There was a gay guy who talked about sleeping with a woman on this thread awhile back. Maybe he’ll jump in and educate you.
Also, what do you think about these closeted people like Jim McGreevy? You don’t think they were gay all along and pretending? You think they just became gay one day in their 40s?
How do straight guys have sex with really ugly chicks? This happens in a large percentage. How can that be?
Without a doubt the most ignorant statement yet made on this thread!
(clears throat) IT IS STILL HETEROSEXUAL SEX.[/quote]
And the point still is, it is a woman that you are not sexually attracted to. Sex can still take place. You might not admit it to friends, but it isn’t like it is impossible. How could anyone possibly have sex with a woman they are not physically attracted to if this were not the case? You are so busy trying to throw insults that you don’t even see it is a very valid response to what you posed earlier.
[quote]
If someone is supposedly “gay” that means they are supposed to be ONLY interested in having homosexual sex. However, this is not always the case. Which could be one idication that there is less of a genetic role played than the your side would like to think. [/quote]
OR, it could mean that just like a guy who is attracted to beautiful women, sex with an ugly woman can still take place even if he isn’t attracted to her. It isn’t like the act of sex is simply based on attraction. It isn’t. If this were the case, the only way to get an erection would be pure physical attraction. It would erase the control our minds have over the act which is so powerful that masturbation can occur without another human present at all.
[quote]
How many purely heterosexual men have you seen in your lifetime who have had sex with another man? Do you know why they don’t? Because they are heterosexuals. [/quote]
I would bet that if it did ever occur, no one else would ever know about it. Mind you, what about Ricki Lake episodes where guys have sex with transexuals who they intially thought were women? Some of them end up beginning long term relationships in spite of the sexual difference. It is by no means “the norm”, but let’s stop pretending as if it is impossible.
[quote]
DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?[/quote]
Hell, do you? I think it pisses you off that others agree with me. You would love for this to not take place so you could continue to pretend as if I don’t have an argument. Face it, you do not have biology all figured out.
[quote]
Emotional attatchment? That has nothing to do with this argument. LOL [/quote]
It very much does considering the fact that a guy can engage in a sex act with NO emotional attachment implies that sex can be an act independant of attraction.
[quote]
If someone is gay they are not supposed to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex. However, there seems to be plenty of alleged gay men having sex with women. Again how many heterosexual men have sex with another man?
You cannot explain that by “emotional attatchment.”[/quote]
Maybe they are “bisexual”.
Right. Think again. Just because you hate that there are possible answers to the question you posed doesn’t mean you can erase those who bring it forward.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
LMAO…the first thing you need to learn in these Internet debates is don’t ever follow Prof X’s lead. You will wind up following him off a cliff somewhere.
If a supposedly gay man can become aroused with a woman then I suppose it should work the other way around right?
You think that the typical guy has the desire and the ability to have sex with his lifting buddy (for example) by fantasizing about Pamela Anderson?
Maybe you and the Professor better think again…
Comeback with better stuff please.
[/quote]
What is funny is remembering you crying about Vroom insulting you, yet you can’t stop attempting to throw these lame ass remarks. I swear, you are a funny man, Zeb. A truly funny old man.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Also, what do you think about these closeted people like Jim McGreevy? You don’t think they were gay all along and pretending? You think they just became gay one day in their 40s?[/quote]
I am not talking about “closet” homosexuals. I am talking about heterosexuals!
The average heterosexual man does not think about sleeping with his male friends.
OR, it could mean that just like a guy who is attracted to beautiful women, sex with an ugly woman can still take place even if he isn’t attracted to her.[/quote]
I don’t think it should have to be explained to you that fat ugly women are still women. Heterosexuals are still heterosexuals if they sleep with fat ugly women.
If a guy has sex with someone whom he thinks is a woman (but was fooled) does that mean he WANTED sex with a man? No of course not!
Ricki Lake huh? You watch a lot of Springer too I bet…lol
Nothing is “immpossible.” However a large percentage of “gays” have sex with women. Where is the large percentage of heterosexuals to match this?
I know the readers understand the difference even if you don’t.
I think you better take a look back at thread. I have repeatedly stated that I have no idea how people become gay. But, niether do the gay lobbies who scream that they were “born that way.”
That’s a whole different category of people. We are talking about gay men who have had or are having sex with women.
You still can’t explain it can you? Your only way to explain it is to say that heterosexual men can have sex with another man. And while this may have happened as nothing is immpossible. It is rare indeed.
Because that would make them homosexuals right?
What is a homosexual (man) anyway? Is it someone who is attracted to men MOSTLY. Or someone who is exclusively attracted to men. And if they can actually become aroused with a women I suggest that the entire homosexual theory might need some fine tuning, at least when it comes to suggesting that they are “born that way.”
[quote]Just because you hate that there are possible answers to the question you posed doesn’t mean you can erase those who bring it forward.
[/quote]
You have no answers Prof. You only have innane suggestions that do nothing to legitimize this thread. But keep talking…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
LMAO…the first thing you need to learn in these Internet debates is don’t ever follow Prof X’s lead. You will wind up following him off a cliff somewhere.
If a supposedly gay man can become aroused with a woman then I suppose it should work the other way around right?
You think that the typical guy has the desire and the ability to have sex with his lifting buddy (for example) by fantasizing about Pamela Anderson?
Maybe you and the Professor better think again…
Comeback with better stuff please.
What is funny is remembering you crying about Vroom insulting you, yet you can’t stop attempting to throw these lame ass remarks. I swear, you are a funny man, Zeb. A truly funny old man.
[/quote]
Well you are consistent as I’ve said before.
You are wrong about the war in Iraq.
Wrong about the media.
Wrong about the role of family.
And now you are wrong about heterosexual men wanting sex from other men (hey maybe you are just talking about yourself lol)
I don’t think it should have to be explained to you that fat ugly women are still women. Heterosexuals are still heterosexuals if they sleep with fat ugly women.
[/quote]
That doesn’t change the fact that sex is about PREFERENCE when it comes to these labels. A homosexual man is still a man. While how much of one can be debated, he still has a functioning penis. Therefore, it is not impossible that the act itself could take place. Not only that, but I would assume that even a homosexual would get at least some pussy thrown his way over the course of a life time.
[quote]
If a guy has sex with someone whom he thinks is a woman (but was fooled) does that mean he WANTED sex with a man? No of course not![/quote]
Gee, Zeb, that was my point. There have been stories where heterosexual men fall in love with transexuals before knowing about the sex change. Yes, it may be weird, but welcome to the year 2005-2006.
[quote]
Nothing is “immpossible.” However a large percentage of “gays” have sex with women. Where is the large percentage of heterosexuals to match this? [/quote]
Why would heterosexuals be trying to match this? What if the number of homosexuals who sleep with women is so high because they are still trying to simply fit in?
[quote]
I know the readers understand the difference even if you don’t.[/quote]
Actually, I doubt anyone but you has a problem understanding what has been written this far.
[quote]
I think you better take a look back at thread. I have repeatedly stated that I have no idea how people become gay. But, niether do the gay lobbies who scream that they were “born that way.” [/quote]
Why do you care about “gay lobbyists”? If you don’t know, then why are you acting like you do? I don’t know what makes someone gay either and I am sure I know more about the human body than you do.
[quote]
Maybe they are “bisexual”.
That’s a whole different category of people. We are talking about gay men who have had or are having sex with women.
You still can’t explain it can you? Your only way to explain it is to say that heterosexual men can have sex with another man. And while this may have happened as nothing is immpossible. It is rare indeed.[/quote]
I just did explain it. It has been explained at least 2 or 3 times so far.
[quote]
What is a homosexual (man) anyway? Is it someone who is attracted to men MOSTLY. Or someone who is exclusively attracted to men. And if they can actually become aroused with a women I suggest that the entire homosexual theory might need some fine tuning, at least when it comes to suggesting that they are “born that way.”[/quote]
What? Homosexual means that a person likes someone of the same sex as a sexual preference. It doesn’t mean they are Asexual or that it is impossible for them to have sex with the opposite sex. If there is a dick and a pussy, sex can happen. I think the only issue would be if they enjoy it or not.
You have been giving answers in this thread? Keep telling yourself that.
