Streaming video on Winamp when I’m at work. I gotta have my Simpsons.
[quote]My concern with the data presented here is that is seems to have been gleaned from alot of other articles on AIDS and risky sexual behavior. The rise in AIDS among straight people world wide seems to be completely ignored. The CDC website shows that African-Americans women are the largest group getting infected among women. They got it from heterosexual contact. Actually the CDC website has alot of really interesting info. You should check it out. My point is that what is being called a homosexual problem is not exclusive to gay people or even gay men. It seems that the issue is risky behavior, not necessarily sexual preference. Heck, it seems like sex with men is the real problem, so I should be safe. (I’m joking, sheesh.) And I am really confused about how being a lesbian will make me more likely to die in a car wreck. What has my sexual preference got to do with that? I tend to be skeptical about statistics anyway. I took a stats course during my first degree and it was really eye opening, as far as how easy they can be manipulated to show practically anything. I would be more inclined to lend some credence to stats from CDC but even then I would want more info.
Since the topic is gay marriage I’m not going to separate gay women from gay men in terms of health statistics. And in fact that’s not what the general public is doing either. in all fairness the topic is not “lesbian marriage.”
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I know people don’t separate lesbians from gay men. They lump us in like we are going to bath houses, having anonymous sex in public parks and racking up thousands of sex parteners like gay men. We don’t and that cite a little later down the line here where it says gay women have more male partners than hetero women is a complete and stinky crock of shit. These people apparently don’t know what lesbian means. Women who have regular sex with both male and female partners are bisexual.
[quote]Basically there seems to be a plethora of statistics to back up the assertion that the gay lifestyle (gay sex or any other way you want to state it) is a very unhealthy one. This proves out both physically and psychologically
This might be just one reason why the heterosexual community is not ready with open arms to embrace the idea of gay marriage. Or for that matter to promote any sort of homosexual activity in their community.
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Here is my question: Gay sex consists of say back door action, oral sex, etc. Straight people do these things, too. How is it that it is only among gay people that these things become A)defined as a lifestyle rather than sexual practice and B) why is it so much worse for gay people to do it than straights? Why is it that what we do, which many straight people do, is somehow dirty and disease provoking? There is something not quite right about this.
[quote]If you find any of the articles, or links to be incorrect please point it out as I have used statistics from various sources including the CDC (as you recommended).
The following information was taken directly from the CDC site:
“Editorial Note: These data suggest that the number of gonorrhea cases in homosexually active men in King County may triple in 1989 from 1988.”
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001496.htm
The following article while just over one year old places further doubt upon the homosexual practice:
Sunday, November 14th, 2004
"In Europe CDC Issues Alert On New Disease Infecting Gays And Bisexuals
November 1, 2004 - The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) issued an alert to health officials on October 29 on a rare venereal disease (STD) spreading through Europe among homosexual and bisexual males. The CDC believes it is just a matter of time before the disease reaches the U.S.
The disease is Lymphogranuloma Venereum (LGV), a variety of the Chlamydia trachomatis bacterium. According to the CDC, this STD rarely occurs in industrialized nations but has appeared in the Netherlands, Belgium, France, and Sweden.
LGV has increased dramatically in the Netherlands, which typically has less than five cases a year. During the 17 months preceding September, 2004, the nation had diagnosed 92 cases. Thirty of these cases occurred in 2003 and 62 during 2004.
Of the 62 patients diagnosed in 2004, all of the patients were white and among the 30 whose HIV status was known, 23 (77%) were HIV positive. According to the CDC, “Other preliminary findings suggested that concurrent sexually transmitted infections were prevalent and that the majority had participated in casual sex gatherings (e.g., ‘leather scene’ parties) and unprotected anal intercourse or other unprotected anal penetration (e.g., fisting) during the 12 months before onset of symptoms.” The STD is associated with genital ulcers and various gastrointestinal ailments.
The CDC also noted: “Estimates of the incidence and prevalence of LGV in the United States are difficult to obtain; the disease is not nationally reportable, and the diagnosis is not straightforward. The clinical presentation of LGV might easily be missed, as evidenced by the large number of retrospective cases identified in the Netherlands.”
The complete CDC report is available in the October 29, 2004 issue of the MMWR: Lymphogranuloma Venereum Among Men Who Have Sex with Men — Netherlands, 2003–2004."
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My main problem with this report is the extremely small sample size. There is no way to compare these cases with a hetero sample. It also draws these cases from yet another subset in the gay population, leather dudes. Not all gay people participate in such gatherings. So again we are looking at a subculture within the gay population that is not representative. Still seems like risky behavior is the problem, rather than just being gay.
[quote]MORE BAD NEWS REGARDING HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR
Some of the following was taken from CDC. All information is well documented. It seems that legitimizing homosexual practice may not lead to a better healthier society.
While all of the facts are disturbing, here are some that seem to refute your argument that only a small “subculture” of gays are overly promiscuous:
- A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.[9]
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On the face of it, they only refer to a statistic on gay men, nothing about women. And 43 percent doing this still leaves 57 percent who apparently are not.
[quote]2. In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[10]
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This comes as no surprise. How many people, gay or straight have had sex with only one person in the entire lives? Professional athletes tell of having thousands of encounters. I am also not surprised that older gay men, who probably did a lot of partying when they were younger, would have had a lot of partners. Still tells us nothing about lots of gay men and women today.
[quote](THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR GAY MARRIAGE PROPONENTS)
- In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,
Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13]
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Again, an extremely small sample size. Science demands much larger samples than 156 men, since it does not represent women, among other things. I am not surprised that many of the couples made provisions for sex outside of the relationship. Men often stray in hetero relationships. These gay men are making provisions for outside interests while keeping the primary relationship intact. This is accepted practice in some hetero circles.
[quote]4. A CDC report documents “significant increases during 1994 to 1997 in rectal gonorrhea . . . among MSM,” indicating that “safe sex” practices may not be taken as seriously as the aids epidemic begins to slow.[24] In 1999 the CDC released data showing that male rectal gonorrhea is increasing among homosexuals amidst an overall decline in national gonorrhea rates. The report attributed the increase to a larger percentage of homosexuals engaging in unsafe sexual behavior.[25]
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No surprise here. I wonder what the rate of gonorrhea is among young single heterosexual people.
[quote]5. The incidence of throat Gonorrhea is strongly associated with homosexual behavior. The Canadian Medical Association Journal found that “gonorrhea was associated with urethral discharge . . . and homosexuality (3.7 times higher than the rate among heterosexuals).”[26] Similarly, a study in the Journal of Clinical Pathology found that homosexual men had a much higher prevalence of pharyngeal (throat) gonorrhea–15.2 percent compared with 4.1 percent for heterosexual men.[27]
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So it is a surprise that gay men have throat gonnorhea more often than straight guys? You know, seeing as how straight guys are not so much for the giving of blow jobs to other guys. I wonder again what the rate is among straight women who give blow jobs.
READ THE ARTICLE IN IT’S ENTIRITY:
[quote]"Reports at a national conference about sexually transmitted diseases indicate that gay men are in the highest risk group for several of the most serious diseases. . . . Scientists believe that the increased number of sexually tranmitted diseases (STD) cases is the result of an increase in risky sexual practices by a growing number of gay men who believe HIV is no longer a life-threatening illness.[1]
Instability and promiscuity typically characterize homosexual relationships. These two factors increase the incidence of serious and incurable stds. In addition, some homosexual behaviors put practitioners at higher risk for a variety of ailments, as catalogued by the following research data:
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Again this is referring to gay MEN and risky behavior, such as unprotected sex and multiple partners. Instability and promiscuity characterize SOME gay realtionships. And straight relationships as well, if my court TV shows are any indication. (Yes, one of the few things I watch on TV are things like Divorce Court, etc. I like Judge Mablean.)
[quote]Risky Sexual Behavior on the Rise Among Homosexuals. Despite two decades of intensive efforts to educate homosexuals against the dangers of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) and other stds, the incidence of unsafe sexual practices that often result in various diseases is on the rise.
? According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1994 to 1997 the proportion of homosexuals reporting having had anal sex increased from 57.6 percent to 61.2 percent, while the percentage of those reporting “always” using condoms declined from 69.6 percent to 60 percent.[2]
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This is a problem but not just among gays. But it seems to me that the reports are again referring to men. I would be interested in seeing stats for condom use among single straight people.
[quote]? The CDC reported that during the same period the proportion of men reporting having multiple sex partners and unprotected anal sex increased from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent. The largest increase in this category (from 22 percent to 33.3 percent) was reported by homosexuals twenty-five years old or younger.[3]
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Young men like to have alot of sex. This is no surprise. HOw often to young women get pregnant because of unprotected sex?
[quote]Homosexuals Failing to Disclose Their HIV Status to Sex Partners
? A study presented July 13, 2000 at the XIII International aids Conference in Durban, South Africa disclosed that a significant number of homosexual and bisexual men with hiv “continue to engage in unprotected sex with people who have no idea they could be contracting HIV.”[4] Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco found that thirty-six percent of homosexuals engaging in unprotected oral, anal, or vaginal sex failed to disclose that they were HIV positive to casual sex partners.[5]
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This sort of thing goes on in the straight community as well. A man was recently convicted for doing this and infecting several young women. The problem in Africa is most assuredly not exclusive to gay men, since alot of women are becoming infected after having sex with their husbands who frequent prostitutes.
[quote]? A CDC report revealed that, in 1997, 45 percent of homosexuals reporting having had unprotected anal intercourse during the previous six months did not know the HIV serostatus of all their sex partners. Even more alarming, among those who reported having had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple partners, 68 percent did not know the HIV serostatus of their partners.[6]
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I would like to know the sample size. I cannot deny that people having unprotected sex is a huge problem but it is not exclusive to gay men.
[quote]Young Homosexuals are at Increased Risk. Following in the footsteps of the generation of homosexuals decimated by AIDS, younger homosexuals are engaging in dangerous sexual practices at an alarming rate.
? A Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health study of three-hundred-sixty-one young men who have sex with men (MSM) aged fifteen to twenty-two found that around 40 percent of participants reported having had anal-insertive sex, and around 30 percent said they had had anal-receptive sex. Thirty-seven percent said they had not used a condom for anal sex during their last same-sex encounter. Twenty-one percent of the respondents reported using drugs or alcohol during their last same-sex encounter.[7]
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No surprises here but, again, not a problem exclusive to gay men. I work on a college campus. Lots of young boys and girls doin’ the naughty and at least three homes for unwed mothers in a 7 block area.
[quote]? A five-year CDC study of 3,492 homosexual males aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one-quarter had unprotected sex with both men and women. Another cdc study of 1,942 homosexual and bisexual men with HIV found that 19 percent had at least one episode of unprotected anal sex–the riskiest sexual behavior–in 1998 and 1997, a 50 percent increase from the previous two years.[8]
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Again, these figures focus on men. Again, having unprotected sex is not a practice associated exclusively with gay men. I have no idea how often straight people engage in anal sex, but I think we know they do. Are they always wrapping the rascal?
[quote]Homosexual Promiscuity. Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:
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I bet studies would indicate that straight male athletes, rock stars, actors and what have you get more ass than a car seat. Didn’t Magic Johnson say he’d been with thousands of women? Seriously, this may be more an indicator of male horniness than anything else.
[quote]? A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, ? In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals
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I responded to these above.
[quote]? A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.[11]
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And 76 percent appear to have had considerably fewer sex partners. Hard to say without the rest of the data.
[quote] In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that “few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.”[12]
Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of “committed” typically means something radically different from marriage.
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So is there a surprise that in a group for whom marriage has never been an option that committment means something different than marriage? It gives that group room to experiment, if nothing else.I would imagine that 2 men committing to each other would look very different from 2 women committing to each other or from a man and woman committing to each other.
[quote]? In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison
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Already responded to this.
[quote]? In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[14]
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That would be the average of their sample. No indication of the sample size or demographic.
[quote]Unhealthy Aspects of “Monogamous” Homosexual Relationships. Even those homosexual relationships that are loosely termed “monogamous” do not necessarily result in healthier behavior.
? The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse with greater frequency than those without a steady partner.[15] Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.[
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I would imagine that people in relationships loosely termed monogamous (whatever that means) would be doing IT alot more. They seem to not know how to to do right if they are getting infections from it. They probably assume they don’t need protection if they are being monogamous. Bad assumption. Women often get bacterial infections after anal sex then switching to vaginal sex with male partners. Latex is a sexually active persons friend.
[quote]? The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred, finding that most “unsafe” sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships.[16]
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What I said above applies here.
[quote]Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV is a collection of more than seventy types of viruses that can cause warts, or papillomas, on various parts of the body. More than twenty types of HPV are incurable STDs that can infect the genital tract of both men and women. Most HPV infections are subclinical or asymptomatic, with only one in a hundred people experiencing genital warts.
? HPV is “almost universal” among homosexuals. According to the homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade: “A San Francisco study of Gay and bisexual men revealed that HPV infection was almost universal among HIV-positive men, and that 60 percent of HIV-negative men carried HPV.”[17]
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I call bullshit on this one. Almost universal? If they did the study in only in San Fran then the results are skewed. I bet these viruses are common among straight people too.
[quote]? HPV can lead to anal cancer. At the recent Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Andrew Grulich announced that “most instances of anal cancer are caused by a cancer-causing strain of HPV through receptive anal intercourse. HPV infects over 90 percent of HIV-positive gay men and 65 percent of HIV-negative gay men, according to a number of recent studies.”[18]
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I am not surprised that unprotected butt-sex is dangerous.
[quote]? The link between HPV and cervical cancer. Citing a presentation by Dr. Stephen Goldstone to the International Congress on Papillomavirus in Human Pathology in Paris, the Washington Blade reports that “HPV is believed to cause cervical cancer in women.”[19]
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No unprotected sex for anyone…
[quote]Hepatitis: A potentially fatal liver disease that increases the risk of liver cancer.
? Hepatitis A: The Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report published by the CDC reports: “Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized world.”[20]
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See above.
[quote]? Hepatitis B: This is a serious disease caused by a virus that attacks the liver. The virus, which is called hepatitis B virus (HBV), can cause lifelong infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and death. Each year in the United States, more than 200,000 people of all ages contract hepatitis B and close to 5,000 die of sickness caused by AIDS. The CDC reports that MSM are at increased risk for hepatitis B.[21]
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Unprotected sex is definitely a high risk behavior. I know more than one straight person with Hep B. So again it seems risky behavior is the culprit rather than simply being gay.
[quote]? Hepatitis C is an inflammation of the liver that can cause cirrhosis, liver failure and liver cancer. The virus can lie dormant in the body for up to thirty years before flaring up. Although less so than with hepatitis A and B, MSM who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at increased risk for contracting hepatitis C.[22]
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Again with the risky behavior. Men hate condoms.
[quote]Gonorrhea:
homosexuals engaging in unsafe sexual behavior.[25]
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Familiar refrain…
[quote]Syphilis: A venereal disease that, if left untreated, can spread throughout the body over time, causing serious heart abnormalities, mental disorders, blindness, and death.
? According to the CDC, “transmission of the organism occurs during vaginal, anal, or oral sex.”[29] In addition, the Archives of Internal Medicine found that homosexuals acquired syphilis at a rate ten times that of heterosexuals.[30
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I’d love to see all the data and how they arrived at the 10 times the rate figure.
[quote]? The CDC reports that those who contract syphilis face potentially deadly health consequences: “It is now known that the genital sores caused by syphilis in adults also make it easier to transmit and acquire HIV infection sexually. There is a two to five fold increased risk of acquiring hiv infection when syphilis is present.”[31]
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Syphilis is bad news but that has been known since at least the Classical Greek period.
[quote]Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as “sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes.”[33] Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause gbs are found in feces and transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text Anal Pleasure and Health, “[s]exual activities provide many opportunities for tiny amounts of contaminated feces to find their way into the mouth of a sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact.”[34]
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Risky behavior, etc, etc.
[quote]? Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that “[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons who participate in anal intercourse.”
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Sounds pretty gross. No. Butt. Sex. (without latex anyway)
[quote]? Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association, “enteritis occurs among those whose sexual practices include oral-fecal contact.”[36] Enteritis can cause abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below] “appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with men.”[38]
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Again with the grossness. And risky behavior.
[quote]HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure.
? Homosexual men are the largest risk category. The CDC reports that homosexuals comprise the single largest exposure category of the more than 600,000 males with AIDS in the United States. As of December 1999, “men who have sex with men” and “men who have sex with men and inject drugs” together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative total of male AIDS cases.[39]
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No doubt about this at all. But this has been known for years. Again, unprotected sex and promiscuity are a problem, but it isn’t exclusive to gay men.
[quote]? Women risk contracting HIV/AIDS through sexual relations with infected MSM. According to the CDC, “HIV infection among U.S. women has increased significantly over the last decade, especially in communities of color. cdc estimates that, in the United States, between 120,000 and 160,000 adult and adolescent females are living with HIV infection, including those with AIDS.” In 1999, for example, most of the women (40 percent) reported with AIDS were infected through heterosexual exposure to HIV.[40] That number is actually higher, as “historically, more than two-thirds of AIDS cases among women initially reported without identified risk were later reclassified as heterosexual transmission.”[41]
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Yes indeed. But if the men are MSM, how’d they get it to the women? Someone isn’t being honest.
[quote]? Homosexuals with HIV are at increased risk for developing other life-threatening diseases. A paper delivered at the Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health reported that homosexual men with HIV have “a 37-fold increase in anal cancer, a 4-fold increase in Hodgkin’s disease (cancer of the lymph nodes), a 2.7-fold increase in cancer of the testicles, and a 2.5 fold increase in lip cancer.”[42]
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HIV reduces the ability of the immune system to fight disease, so no surprises here.
[quote]HIV/AIDS Among Young People
? AIDS incidence is on the rise among teens and young adults. The CDC reports that, "even though AIDS incidence (the number of new cases diagnosed during a given time period, usually a year) is declining, there has not been a comparable decline in the number of newly diagnosed HIV cases among youth.[43]
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Pretty tragic. But for a condom a life is lost…
[quote]? Young homosexual men are at particular risk. The CDC estimates that “at least half of all new HIV infections in the United States are among people under twenty-five, and the majority of young people are infected sexually.”[44] By the end of 1999, 29,629 young people aged thirteen to twenty-four were diagnosed with AIDS in the United States. MSM were the single largest risk category: in 1999, for example, 50 percent of all new AIDS cases were reported among young homosexuals.[45]
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YOung men, hormones and poor judgment. A recipe for disaster whether gay or straight.
[quote]? Sexually active young women are also at risk. The CDC reports: “In 1999, among young women the same age, 47 percent of all AIDS cases reported were acquired heterosexually and 11 percent were acquired through injection drug use.”
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Yup.
[quote]Homosexuals with STDs Are at an Increased Risk for HIV Infection. Studies of MSM treated in STD clinics show rates of infection as high as 36 percent in major cities.[46] A CDC study attributed the high infection rate to having high numbers of anonymous sex partners: “[S]yphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia apparently have been introduced into a population of MSM who have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid and extensive transmission of STDs.”[47] The CDC report concluded: “Persons with STDs, including genital ulcer disease and nonulcerative STD, have a twofold to fivefold increased risk for HIV infection.”[48]
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I bet this would be true of straight people with the same infections. I wonder if there is any data?
[quote]Anal Cancer: Homosexuals are at increased risk for this rare type of cancer, which is potentially fatal if the anal-rectal tumors metastasize to other bodily organs.
? Dr. Joel Palefsky, a leading expert in the field of anal cancer, reports that while the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only 0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals. That rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive, which, according to Dr. Palefsky, is “roughly ten times higher than the current rate of cervical cancer.”[49]
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I don’t know anything about anal cancer but if pathogens are introduced I would not be surprised at the above info. LATEX!
[quote]? At the Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health in May, 2000, Dr. Andrew Grulich announced that the incidence of anal cancer among homosexuals with HIV “was raised 37-fold compared with the general population.”[50]
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See above.
[quote]Lesbians are at Risk through Sex with MSM
? Many Lesbians also have had sex with men. The homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade, citing a 1998 study in the Journal of Infectious Diseases, reported that “the study’s data confirmed previous scientific observations that most women who have sex with women also have had sex with men.”[51] The study added that “sex with men in the prior year was common, as were sexual practices between female partners that possibly could transmit HPV.”[52]
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I’m sorry but someone is full of shit here. See, the definition of lesbian is a woman who loves and has sex with women, exclusively. If you try it one or even a few times with a man, you can still claim to be a lesbian. But if you are sleeping with men on a regular basis, your lesbian card gets revoked and replaced with a bisexual card.
[quote]? Lesbians have more male sex partners that their heterosexual counterparts. A study of sexually transmitted disease among lesbians reviewed in The Washington Blade notes: “Behavioral research also demonstrates that a woman’s sexual identity is not an accurate predictor of behavior, with a large proportion of ‘lesbian’ women reporting sex with (often high risk) men.”[53] The study found that “the median number of lifetime male sexual partners was significantly greater for WSW (women who have sex with women) than controls (twelve partners versus six). WSW were significantly more likely to report more than fifty lifetime male sexual partners.”[54]
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I’m sorry but this is pure bullshit. See my explanation above. YOu sleep with 50 men, you are not gay. Unless of course you are man. I think someone at the Blade was either having some fun or was smoking crack.
[quote]? A study in the American Journal of Public Health concurs that bisexual women are at increased risk for contracting sexually transmitted diseases: “Our findings corroborate the finding that wsmw (women who have sex with men and women) are more likely than WSMO (women who have sex with men only) to engage in various high-risk behaviors” and also “to engage in a greater number of risk-related behaviors.”[55] The study suggested that the willingness to engage in risky sexual practices “could be tied to a pattern of sensation-seeking behavior.”[56
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The bi women I know are pretty kinky. But again this seems tied to risky behavior rather than sexual preference.
[quote]? MSM spread HIV to women. A five-year study by the CDC of 3,492 homosexuals aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one in six also had sex with women. Of those having sex with women, one-quarter “said they recently had unprotected sex with both men and women.” Nearly 7 percent of the men in the study were HIV positive."[57] “The study confirms that young bisexual men are a ‘bridge’ for HIV transmission to women,” said the CDC.[58]
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Latex barriers for everybody.
[quote]“Exclusive” Lesbian Relationships Also at Risk. The assumption that lesbians involved in exclusive sexual relationships are at reduced risk for sexual disease is false. The journal Sexually Transmitted Infections concludes: “The risk behavior profile of exclusive WSW was similar to all WSW.”[59] One reason for this is because lesbians “were significantly more likely to report past sexual contact with a homosexual or bisexual man and sexual contact with an IDU (intravenous drug user).”[60]
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I’d be interested in seeing the sample size and the demographic because I suspect that most of your vanilla, low profile, professional and working class lesbians do not have sex with men, bisexual women (if they can help it; there is a lot of prejudice among lesbians towards bi women) or IV drug users. They tend to be pretty conservative actually.
[quote]Cancer Risk Factors for Lesbians. Citing a 1999 report released by the Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, the homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade notes that “various studies on Lesbian health suggest that certain cancer risk factors occur with greater frequency in this population. These factors include higher rates of smoking, alcohol use, poor diet, and being overweight.”[61] Elsewhere the Blade also reports: “Some experts believe Lesbians might be more likely than women in general to develop breast or cervical cancer because a disproportionate number of them fall into high-risk categories.”[62]
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So all those fat-assed, chain smoking, beer swilling wenches I see are gay? I don’t think so. These risk factors exist quite heavily in the straight population.
[quote]Sexually Transmitted Diseases Among Lesbians
? In a study of the medical records of 1,408 lesbians, the journal Sexually Transmitted Infections found that women who have sexual relations with womenare at significantly higher risk for certain sexually transmitted diseases: “We demonstrated a higher prevalence of bv (bacterial vaginosis), hepatitis C, and HIV risk behaviors in WSW as compared with controls.”[63]
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I would really like to see their research design. It sounds like these folks don’t know much about gay women or their sexual practices.
[quote]Compulsive Behavior among Lesbians. A study published in Nursing Research found that lesbians are three times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviors: “Like most problem drinkers, 32 (91 percent) of the participants had abused other drugs as well as alcohol, and many reported compulsive difficulties with food (34 percent), codependency (29 percent), sex (11 percent), and money (6 percent).” In addition, “Forty-six percent had been heavy drinkers with frequent drunkenness.”[64]
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They survey heavy drinkers and somehow that extrapolates to all lesbians? I don’t think so. Talk about bad study design.
[quote]Alcohol Abuse Among Homosexuals and Lesbians
? The Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists reports that lesbian women consume alcohol more frequently, and in larger amounts, than heterosexual women.[65] Lesbians were at significantly greater risk than heterosexual women for both binge drinking (19.4 percent compared to 11.7 percent), and for heavy drinking (7 percent compared to 2.7 percent).[66]
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This sounds pretty dubious. I spent 7 years working in the chemical dependency field and only had about 10 lesbians come through the treatment center in that whole time. Meanwhile at least 200 straight women passed through the doors in the same period. So this one is pretty fishy.
[quote]? Although the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists article found no significant connection between male homosexuals and alcohol abuse, a study in Family Planning Perspective concluded that male homosexuals were at greatly increased risk for alcoholism: “Among men, by far the most important risk group consisted of homosexual and bisexual men, who were more than nine times as likely as heterosexual men to have a history of problem drinking.”[67] The study noted that problem drinking may contribute to the “significantly higher STD rates among gay and bisexual men.”[68]
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Now I know these people are full of it. If they see a link between lesbians and alcoholism but not gay men, they are full of crap. And the idea that gay men are more likely than straight men to have alcohol problems is not borne out by the populations of
chemical dependency treament centers.
[quote]Violence in Lesbian and Homosexual Relationships.
? A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical abuse.[69]
? In a survey of 1,099 lesbians, the Journal of Social Service Research found that “slightly more than half of the [lesbians] reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequently indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse.”[70]
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Domestic violence is a problem shared by gay and straight people.
[quote]? In their book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence,D. Island and P. Letellier report that “the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.”[71]
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Which is why there are so many battered women’s shelters. Again, domestic violence is rife in America.
[quote]Compare the Low Rate of Intimate Partner Violence within Marriage. Homosexual and lesbian relationships are far more violent than are traditional married households:
? The Bureau of Justice Statistics (U.S. Department of Justice) reports that married women in traditional families experience the lowest rate of violence compared with women in other types of relationships.[72]
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What the hell? So all those women in battered womens’ shelters who are in terror of the men they left are lying and are really afraid of lesbians? Bullshit, I’m afraid.
[quote]? A report by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health concurred,
It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating relationships.[73]
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Good reason for gay marriage.
[quote]High Incidence of Mental Health Problems among Homosexuals and Lesbians. A national survey of lesbians published in the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology found that 75 percent of the nearly 2,000 respondents had pursued psychological counseling of some kind, many for treatment of long-term depression or sadness:
Among the sample as a whole, there was a distressingly high prevalence of life events and behaviors related to mental health problems. Thirty-seven percent had been physically abused and 32 percent had been raped or sexually attacked. Nineteen percent had been involved in incestuous relationships while growing up. Almost one-third used tobacco on a daily basis and about 30 percent drank alcohol more than once a week; 6 percent drank daily. One in five smoked marijuana more than once a month. Twenty-one percent of the sample had thoughts about suicide sometimes or often and 18 percent had actually tried to kill themselves. . . . More than half had felt too nervous to accomplish ordinary activities at some time during the past year and over one-third had been depressed.[74]
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All these problems are found in great numbers in the hetero population.
[quote]Greater Risk for Suicide.
? A study of twins that examined the relationship between homosexuality and suicide, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry,found that homosexuals with same-sex partners were at greater risk for overall mental health problems, and were 6.5 times more likely than their twins to have attempted suicide. The higher rate was not attributable to mental health or substance abuse disorders.[75]
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I wonder if the stresses associated with being part of a small and widely reviled group could have anything to do with this?
[quote]? Another study published simultaneously in Archives of General Psychiatry followed 1,007 individuals from birth. Those classified as “gay,” lesbian, or bisexual were significantly more likely to have had mental health problems.[76] Significantly, in his comments on the studies in the same issue of the journal, D. Bailey cautioned against various speculative explanations of the results, such as the view that “widespread prejudice against homosexual people causes them to be unhappy or worse, mentally ill.”[77]
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What does D. Baily attribute it to then? Just because you’re gay you are just prone to being crazy? Please. He needs his license revoked.
[quote]Reduced Life Span. A study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the mortality rates of homosexualsconcluded that they have a significantly reduced life expectancy:
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Based on what?
[quote]In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age twentyfor gay and bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged twenty years will not reach their sixty-fifth birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.[78]
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I am really interested to note that no data or reasons for these conclusions are given.
[quote]In 1995, long after the deadly effects of AIDS and other stds became widely known, homosexual author Urvashi Vaid expressed one of the goals of her fellow activists: “We have an agenda to create a society in which homosexuality is regarded as healthy, natural, and normal. To me that is the most important agenda item.”[79] Debilitating illness, chronic disease, psychological problems, and early death suffered by homosexuals is the legacy of this tragically misguided activism, which puts the furthering of an “agenda” above saving the lives of those whose interests they purport to represent.
Those who advocate full acceptance of homosexual behavior choose to downplay the growing and incontrovertible evidence regarding the serious, life-threatening health effects associated with the homosexual lifestyle. Homosexual advocacy groups have a moral duty to disseminate medical information that might dissuade individuals from entering or continuing in an inherently unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. Education officials in particular have a duty to provide information regarding the negative health effects of homosexuality to students in their charge, whose very lives are put at risk by engaging in such behavior. Above all, civil society itself has an obligation to institute policies that promote the health and well-being of its citizens. –
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I have no way of ascertaining where you got this last bit. I am familiar with Urvashi’s work and she in no way suggests that no work be done to curb unsafe practices. What seems to be put forth here is that being gay is somehow inherently more unhealthy and dangerous than being straight. The problems are those associated with risky behavior and a meta-analysis of the data might show this has more to do with being a man who has no cultural or social or familial obligations to be monogamous or fuss with the inconvenience of latex barriers. There is precious little data about mainstream lesbians or gay men in committed monogamous relationships.
[quote]END NOTES
- Bill Roundy, “STD Rates on the Rise,” New York Blade News, December 15, 2000, p. 1.
- “Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men–San Francisco, California, 1994-1997,” Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), January 29, 1999, p. 45.
- Ibid.
- Ulysses Torassa, “Some With HIV Aren’t Disclosing Before Sex; UCSF Researcher’s 1,397-person Study Presented During aids Conference,” The San Francisco Examiner (July 15, 2000).
- Jon Garbo, “Gay and Bi Men Less Likely to Disclose They Have HIV,” GayHealth News (July 18, 2000). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/0/news?record=136.
- Ibid.
- Jon Garbo, “Risky Sex Common Among Gay Club and Bar Goers,” GayHealth News (January 3, 2001). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/97863827496203.../ index.html?record=35.
- “Bisexuals Serve as ‘Bridge’ Infecting Women With HIV,” Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000). Available at: www.mb.com/ph/scty/2000-07/sc073004.asp.
- A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see alsoBell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981).
- Paul Van de Ven et al., “A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men,” Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354. Dr. Paul Van de Ven reiterated these results in a private conversation with Dr. Robert Gagnon on September 7, 2000.
- “Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners,” Lambda Report, January/February 1998, p. 20.
- M. Pollak, “Male Homosexuality,” in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, edited by P. Aries and A. Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 25.
- David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 3.
- M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L.A. Peplau and H. Amaro, “Understanding Lesbian Relationships,” in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, edited byJ. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982).
- A.P.M. Coxon et al., “Sex Role Separation in Diaries of Homosexual Men,” AIDS, July 1993, pp. 877-882.
- G. J. Hart et al., “Risk Behaviour, Anti-HIV and Anti-Hepatitis B Core Prevalence in Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991-1992,” AIDS, July 1993, pp. 863-869, cited in “Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand,” Position Analysis paper by Colorado for Family Values, May 1994.
- Bill Roundy, “STDs Up Among Gay Men: CDC Says Rise is Due to HIV Misperceptions,” The Washington Blade (December 8, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/a.
- Richard A. Zmuda, “Rising Rates of Anal Cancer for Gay Men,” Cancer News (August 17, 2000). Available at: Cancerlinksusa.com /081700analcancer.
- “Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer,” The Washington Blade (June 2, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000602hm.
- Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) September 4, 1998, p. 708.
- “Viral Hepatitus B–Frequently Asked Questions,” National Center for Infectious Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)September 29, 2000. Available at: Division of Viral Hepatitis | CDC.
- “Hepatitus C: Epidemiology: Transmission Modes” Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1998.Available at: Division of Viral Hepatitis | CDC /c/edu/1/default.htm.
- “Gonorrhea,” Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers For Disease Control and Prevention) September, 2000. Available at: National Center for HIV, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention (NCHHSTP) | CDC Fact_Sheets/FactsGonorrhea.htm.
- “Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea.”
- Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) January 29, 1999, p. 48.
- J. Vincelette et al., “Predicators of Chlamydial Infection and Gonorrhea among Patients Seen by Private Practitioners,” Canadian Medical Association Journal 144 (1995): 713-721.
- SPR Jebakumar et al., “Value of Screeningfor Oropharyngeal Chlamydia Trachomatis Infection,” Journal of Clinical Pathology 48 (1995): 658-661.
- “Some Facts about Syphilis,” Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at: National Center for HIV, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention (NCHHSTP) | CDC Fact_Sheets/Syphilis_Facts.
- “Syphilis Elimination: History in the Making,” Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at: National Center for HIV, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention (NCHHSTP) | CDC.
- C. M. Hutchinson et al., “Characteristics of Patients with Syphilis Attending Baltimore STD Clinics,” Archives of Internal Medicine 151 (1991): 511-516.
- “Syphilis Elimination.”
- Homosexual advocates object to the use of this term (Gay Bowel Syndrome), which they say unfairly stigmatizes homosexual behavior. Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality (Austin: The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999), p. 55.
- “STD Treatment Guidelines: Proctitis, Proctocolitis, and Enteritis,” (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1993. Available at: /www.ama-assn.org/special/std /treatmnt/guide/stdg3470.htm.
- Jack Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health: A Guide for Men and Women (San Francisco: Down There Press, 1998), p. 220.
- Health Implications, p. 56.
- “STD Treatment Guidelines.”
- Health Implications; See Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health, p. 220, 1.
- Health Implications.
- “Table 9. Male Adult/Adolescent AIDS Cases by Exposure Category and Race/Ethnicity, Reported through December 1999, United States,” Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention: available at: www/cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1102/table9.
- “HIV/AIDS Among US Women: Minority and Young Women at Continuing Risk,” Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/women.
- Ibid.
- “Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer.”
- “Young People at Risk: HIV/AIDS among America’s Youth,” Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/youth.htm.
- Ibid.
- Ibid.
- “Need for Sustained HIV Prevention Among Men who Have Sex with Men,” Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/msm.
- “Resurgent Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease among Men Who Have Sex with Men–King County, Washington, 1997-1999,” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report: Centers for Disease Control, September 10, 1999, pp. 773-777. Available at: www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ mm4835a1.
- “Need for Sustained HIV Prevention.”
- Bob Roehr, “Anal Cancer and You,” Between the Lines News (November 16, 2000). Available at: www.pridesource.com/cgi-bin/article?article=3835560.
- “Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer.”
- Rhonda Smith, “HPV Can be Transmitted between Women,” The Washington Blade (December 4, 1998). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/9901011h.
- Ibid.
- Katherine Fethers et al., “Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in Women Who Have Sex with Women,” Sexually Transmitted Infections 76 (2000):348.
- Ibid., p. 347.
- V. Gonzales, et al., “Sexual and Drug-Use Risk Factors for hiv and STDs: A Comparison of Women with and without Bisexual Experiences,” American Journal of Public Health 89 (December 1999): 1846.
- Ibid.
- “Bisexuals Serve as ‘Bridge’ Infecting Women with HIV,” Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000).
- Ibid.
- “Sexually Transmitted Infections,” p. 347.
- Ibid.
- Rhonda Smith, “Childbirth Linked with Smaller Breast Tumor Size,” The Washington Blade (December 17, 1999). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000114lh.
- “HPV can be Transmitted between Women.”
- Katherine Fethers et al., “Sexually Transmitted Infections and Risk Behaviors in Women Who Have Sex with Women,” Sexually Transmitted Infections, July 2000, p. 345.
- Joanne Hall, “Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations,” Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244.
- Peter Freiberg, “Study: Alcohol Use More Prevelent for Lesbians,” The Washington Blade, January 12, 2001, p. 21.
- Ibid.
- Karen Paige Erickson, Karen F. Trocki, “Sex, Alcohol and Sexually Transmitted Diseases: A National Survey,” Family Planning Perspectives 26 (December 1994): 261.
- Ibid.
- Lettie L. Lockhart et al., “Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships,” Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (December 1994): 469-492.
- Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, “Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications,” Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59.
- D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14.
- “Violence Between Intimates,” Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p. 2.
- Health Implications, p. 79.
- J. Bradford, et al., “National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care,” Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81.
- R. Herrell, et al., “A Co-Twin Study in Adult Men,” Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-874.
- D. Fergusson, et al., “Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?” Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (October 1999), p. 876-884.
- Ibid.
- Robert S. Hogg et al., “Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men,” International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657.
- Quoted in Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men (New York: Penguin Books, 1997), p. 286.
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I am beginning to think that your ploy is simply to wear me out by making me wade through huge posts.
[quote]MORE EVIDENCE OF AN UNHEALTHY LIFSTYLE:
Practicing Homosexuals at Greater Risk of Psychological Problems Says Study
LONDON, September 8, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The UK magazine, the Independent, has reported on a study made of the psychological problems associated with the homosexual “lifestyle”.
Researchers at University College London, have found that two thirds of persons active in the homosexual lifestyle suffer from mental health problems. In 1992, the World Health Organization followed the trend of other mental health organizations and declared that homosexual inclinations were not a mental disorder. Homosexual activists have for years claimed that those who indulge in the homosexual lifestyle and subculture are at greater risk for mental health problems such as depression. This study, taken of over 2,400 gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and heterosexuals over three years, coroborrates this claim. Current research from the US also shows high rates of suicide and depression among those practicing the homosexual “lifestyle”.
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My life experience and experience in the mental health field suggests that the vast majority of people have some sort of mental health problems.
And yeah, all us queers do the same exact things, think the same exact way, vote for the same people, have the same kinds of friends, live in the same kind of dwelling, throw the same kinds of parties, etc, etc, etc. We all live exactly the same way. Hell we have exactly the same kind of sex, with no variation whatsoever. That’s why it’s called the homosexual lifestyle. What a crock. It’s more of the same “othering” language used by anti-gay people.
[quote]However, objective analysis is almost impossible in the politically charged atmosphere of the studies. None of the studies questioned the assumption that it is the “homophobia” of others that causes depression. At no point was the question of the psychological healthiness of such “lifestyles” raised, such a question itself being identified as “homophobic”.
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Exactly
[quote]More very credible informaion which points out the seemingly destructive behavior of homosexuals:
http://www.corporateresourcecouncil.org/white_papers/Health_Risks.pdf
this link was previously posted.
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet3.html
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What is so credible about these reports? Family Research has a pretty clear bias and so does Dr. Diggs. His report contains numerous problems, such as basing all conclusions regarding lifespan of gay men on one very old study. Not to mention the Aussie study that says gay women have more sex with men than straight women. Maybe that is true in Australia, but it is not true in the US. For many years it was difficult to get gay men and women to even share space in bars, much less sleep together. So I got to say that my credulity is stretched a bit thin in these cases.
[quote]Interesting article regarding the rise in HIV among homosexuals:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031126-113618-3742r.htm[
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Safe sex. Gay or straight.
[quote]Quite honestly the more I read on the topic the less likely I am to ever back any sort of gay union. And if the majority of Americans become aware of the above information more gay ballots will be defeated by even a larger margin than the most recent Texas measure which was 77%! I honestly think that what is needed is more research as I have suggested in my earlier posts. We really need to put the politically correct propaganda aside and find out how people become gay!
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I’d like it if people just minded their own business but that will never happen. I’m sure if people get the info above they will become even more likely to vote against gay marriage or union or whatever. Because, like you, they will assume that all the above is true for gay people across the board, even though it is not. Like I have said, I am not promiscuous, I have no STDs, I don’t use IV drugs, I rarely drink alcohol, I was rated mentally healthy by the Army(for what that is worth), I am in a committed relationship, I am faithful to her and vice versa, I hold a full time job and I go to school full time, in short I live my life with dignity and honor. Tell me again why my partner and I should not have the same legal rights regarding our relationship as any straight couple?
[quote]It has been the persistent assertion by the gay community and social liberals that gays are born that way and should be simply accepted. This in light of no conclusive evidence to back them up. However, I have repeatedly shown that some gay people can in fact drop their same sex attraction and become heterosexual (see the study of 200 gay and lesbians). This should be of interest to those who classify themselves as gay. However, because it flies in the face of what gay lobbies and the social liberals want to hear it is ignored, or worse, ridiculed!
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The other side has no conclusive evidence it is not genetic. Just a visceral, emotional revulsion. Those 200 converts that keep getting trotted out were all men and all were severely conflicted about their sexual attraction to men. Not particularly scientific. And the only people who should be interested in it are those who have a problem with being gay. These assertions about changin sexual preference get ridiculed because they have no scientific basis, no empirical data and no longevity. We should be accepted whether it is a choice or not because we are free adults in what is supposed to be a free society. Someone elses problem with homosexuality is not my problem and my sex life is no one elses business. No one tells straight people who they can and cannot marry even though there are some real messes of marriages out there and a good 50% end in divorce.
[quote]time for those who are on your side of the issue to stop blaming the heterosexual community, inparticular those of religious faith for the pain that homosexuals seem to suffer. As the facts above bear out that the pain which most gays undergo is self administered.
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And it’s time for those on your side to quit lumping all gay people into one amorphous mass and recognize that many of us are quietly leading healthy lives full of integrity and joy. We are not all the same any more than all straight people are the same. But making us faceless makes it easier to reject us wholesale. Admit that your sides hostility, stereotyping and unwarranted pity have created an atmosphere that makes being gay incredibly terrifying and difficult. Gay people live in a culture which hates them. Don’t try to equivocate, you know it is true. It may be mixed with pity, which a lot of people mistake for compassion, and they say they don’t hate gay people, they hate the sin. Try it on for size. Pretend for a while everyone you know hates the fact you are straight. Think about it for a while, pretend your best friends and your family are ashamed of you and even hold you in contempt. Try it for a while. It really sucks. It takes tremendous strength to live with it day in and day out. So if some of us are a little fucked up, we come by it honestly. What excuse do all the fucked up straight people have? YOu keep trying to make us into aliens or things you cannot relate to, but the fact is gay people are alot like straight people. We drink, we get drunk, we fall down, we get up. Just like you. This whole issue is about making all gay people seem more screwed up than the worst straight people. Recognize the faults of your side. I happily admit there are people on my side that do the things you claim.
You said you would expect anyone who treats me with disrespect deserves a fight.
Guess what? That is why I speak out and that is why I won’t let anyone treat me like I am someone deserving of contempt, pity or violence.
[quote]Back to you WMD.
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