so i was talking to a guy at the gym today and we got on the topic of steroids and he brought up prohormones and how theyre stronger than some of the older ones that have the same makeup as their production in the 60’s. i did a quick Wikipedia search on em and it did say how their effects are pretty close to steroids and their legality is controversial etc etc so i was just wondering if any of you guys knew anything about the subject and if theyre worth the use etc. thanks.
I hear the search function works quite well.
Haven’t read about them. Don’t plan on reading about them unless I hear an overwhelmingly large amount of people getting better results from them than steroids. I wouldn’t bother with them if I were you.
They are if you have no access to real gear, IMHO. Same sides, less gains in comparison to real gear. I don’t talk to most guys at the gym because they will either ask me, “Hey man, how much you bench” or “I bet I bench more than you” or the greatest , “Hey man, I’m on a cycle of NO-XPLODE stacked with (insert name of saw dust laden tribulus product) so you betta watcha out” I could go on forever.
You need to put on a fire retardant suit…now!
Most will say the sides/benefits ratio is just too high with most prohormones, and that they haven’t been thoroughly tested.
I have read some consistently favorable reviews on other boards concerning a small handful of products, but they were all included in the most recent ban last month. Don’t know if there’s anything left worth looking into.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
They are if you have no access to real gear, IMHO. Same sides, less gains in comparison to real gear. I don’t talk to most guys at the gym because they will either ask me, “Hey man, how much you bench” or “I bet I bench more than you” or the greatest , “Hey man, I’m on a cycle of NO-XPLODE stacked with (insert name of saw dust laden tribulus product) so you betta watcha out” I could go on forever. [/quote]
Growing_boy
-FIND A NEW GYM NOW
-Steroids > Prohormones … end of story
[quote]Famousbychoice wrote:
-Steroids > Prohormones … end of story[/quote]
Oh yeah?
Sawdust > Steroids
In your face!
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Famousbychoice wrote:
-Steroids > Prohormones … end of story
Oh yeah?
Sawdust > Steroids
In your face![/quote]
But (Homemade Raspberry Jam/3.14)^4 x amount of protein shakes I drink in a day > Sawdust.
I win! 
oooo-kkaay…
anyways, OP ya, prohormones are for those who cant get AAS or are made to believe they are less dangerous as they are legal (an easy mistake if you trust the governments and food and drug agencies etc)
Not worth it - i used the old Androstenediol??? and i will admit feeling more aggressive (its how i judge the potency lol!), but no gains… i stacked it with 19-Norandrostenediol??? too.
I had no access to real anabolics at the time - what a waste of money…
J
Steroids = tested and proven
I’d also like to add that most popular steroids have been around for a long time, so we know the effects and how to control the sides.
With these brand-new prohormones, no one has enough experience with them to advise you what ancillaries to use, how long PCT should be, contraindications etc etc…
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
I’d also like to add that most popular steroids have been around for a long time, so we know the effects and how to control the sides.
With these brand-new prohormones, no one has enough experience with them to advise you what ancillaries to use, how long PCT should be, contraindications etc etc…
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thats true. i dont think you need PCT for them though. ill probaly just stay away from em.
Depends on how long the course is, and how supressive it is (not that we would know regarding the newer stuff). I’d say they are very much in the same boat as “real” AAS in terms of PCT.
One of the problems with PHs is that people don’t view them as having the same effects as steroids and therefore don’t perform PCT.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
I’d also like to add that most popular steroids have been around for a long time, so we know the effects and how to control the sides.
With these brand-new prohormones, no one has enough experience with them to advise you what ancillaries to use, how long PCT should be, contraindications etc etc…
thats true. i dont think you need PCT for them though. ill probaly just stay away from em.[/quote]
Well with that ridiculous statement, it’s a very good thing you are going to stay away from them. You don’t know shit about them, yet you “don’t think you need pct for them”.
Wow.
The truth is exactly what people say. There are no medical trials or studies on them, so it’s a guess based on what anecdotal evidence you find here and there. I will say this though, I certainly made some decent gains in strength from two of them over the years. Size not so much but a little bit of quality lbm.
The OSMO Andro50 product which Patrick Arnold was responsible for, was one of the very first, if not the first prohormone, and the original Halodrol 50 kicked much butt for something over the counter. I saw no sides from either, but did use a nolva protocol for pct when I used the Halodrol.
OSMO was the best in my opinion of anything that has ever been sold over the counter. Too bad it went down quick and fast once the feds got wind of it.
OP wisen up if you actually think that you don’t need PCT following prohormone use. I finished a run with Havoc a few weeks ago and am almost done with a 3 week nolva PCT of 25mg/d. I really can’t say to what extent I was shut down, but libido definately took a hit. All of the parts still worked perfectly fine when they needed to, but the drive that a person in their early 20’s should have was gone. I’m assuming the nolva is doing its job because things are beginning to normalize. That is part of the problem with prohormones. It is hard to say whether or not things would have righted themselves without the the nolva or not.
I experienced no ill side effects during the 4 weeks. I used it mainly for body recomp purposes. I kept my calories at maintenance levels. I dont get my bodyfat levels tested but the loss of bodyfat was visibly noticeable. I gained about 8 pounds total. Strength gains were minimal, but I’m willing to bet that if I ate a lot more the numbers would have risen. Overall it wasn’t a bad experience but nothing to go crazy over. Definately have PCT lined up before messing with anything that could affect hormones.
Some people also seem to think that using prohormones is a good way to get ready for real steroid use. I would advise against that line of thinking. Legally there are fewer risks using prohormones, but all of the other risks associated with AAS are still there.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Famousbychoice wrote:
-Steroids > Prohormones … end of story
Oh yeah?
Sawdust > Steroids
In your face![/quote]
Weasel > Chipmunk
What now? I don’t need a new gym. Eventually but not now. I’m the freak that doesn’t talk only lifts. Kinda like Rambo in the new movie except without the gear. To further add to the argument and consequently fuel the blazes of damnation and judgement, I had a gay old time while using a Superdrol clone. Thats probably the only prohormone, dare I say it?, I consider worth a damn. Most of the guys I know that didn’t liquify their livers and toughed out the sides made decent gains. I hold SD in a special place in my heart even if it did try to kill my liver.
I tried several different pro hormones at different times several years ago. Among them were Superdrol and 1AD. I would say avoid them. Most of the ones I tried did give me strength and size gains but also saw side effects such as screwed up lipid profiles, elevated blood pressure, and depressed libido. Also I think it may have contributed to my shoulder injury which I am still not fully recovered from. Mind you that I was in my mid to late 40’s at the time and they may not have the same effect on a younger man.