just a heads up for everyone: i had a bottle of methyl masterdrol v2 that a friend didn’t like and said i could have. i tried selling it on ebay, and they pulled it within hours of me listing it, saying it is a “controlled substance” (not arguing at all…definitely is).
it seems like ebay is starting to wise up, i’m seeing less and less auctions for SD clones lately. havoc and other epistane products seem to still be out there, however.
just a heads-up.
[quote]EstoVir wrote:
I only plan on using it for 3weeks and will pay close attention to any warning signs that I should quit. I have Liv-52 and Cycle Support Powder to help me on the cycle, as well as Flameout.
I also have a solid PCT in place. And plan only to do this once (ever).[/quote]
What is the PCT?
Also, that does the Cycle Support Powder contain?
Liv52 = good idea
Cycle Support has:
Red Yeast Rice 1200 mg
Silymarin (Milk Thistle Extract) 1000 mg
NAC 1200 mg
Hawthorn Berry 1000 mg
Saw Palmetto 300 mg
Policosonol 20 mg
Celery Seed Extract 150 mg
Nettle Root 250 mg
Idebenone 100 mg
PCT will be
Tamox. Cit.
1.40mg
2.40mg
3.20mg
4.20mg
With Carbolin 19, TRIBEX, and Rhodiola.
IMHO, all you need is:
4 weeks Havoc
Wk 1 - 10 10 20 20 30 30 30
Wk 2 - 30 30 30 30 30 30 30
Wk 3 - 30 30 30 30 30 30 30
Wk 4 - 40 40 40 40 40 40 40
Then 40/40/20 of Nolvadex/Tamoxifen
and get enough Cycle Support & Liv52 for the 4 week cycle + 3 week PCT. If you can I’d go as far as saying keep the Cycle Support & Liv52 going for one more week past the PCT.
I don’t think Carbolin 19-19, TRIBEX and Rhodiola are necessary until AFTER the cycle. Maybe start them during PCT and keep going as long as you deem necessary.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
EstoVir wrote:
I only plan on using it for 3weeks and will pay close attention to any warning signs that I should quit. I have Liv-52 and Cycle Support Powder to help me on the cycle, as well as Flameout.
I also have a solid PCT in place. And plan only to do this once (ever).
What is the PCT?
Also, that does the Cycle Support Powder contain?
Liv52 = good idea[/quote]
Cycle support is pretty good stuff in my opinion. Its was made for use with methylated steroids.
Cycle support:
Red Yeast
Milk Thistle
NAC
Hawthorn Berry
Saw Palmetto
Policosonol
Celery Seed Extract
Nettle Root
Idebenone
Looks like you did your homework EstoVir, good work. I think you’ll get the most out of your cycle between what you posted and what Mak suggested. Good luck and I hope you get some quality gains, looks like a solid plan that will help you retain what you gain.
Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate the things that you guys have taught me in this thread.
I’ll be sure to post the results of this cycle. I may even keep a log.
I’ve decided to go with CT’s HSS-100 program for my training. In addition I plan on getting at 2g of protein per bodyweight, and follow CT’s BCAA protocol.
Thanks Again
[quote]SwD wrote:
I’ve got to say Mag10 was amazing. But ever wonder why only 2 week cycles were recommanded? Most roids wont be harsh after 2 weeks either…
[/quote]
2 weeks “on” was recommended for fast HTPA recovery and was based on Bill Robert’s short cycle theories and philosophies. There was no reason one couldn’t use it for much longer as if on a “real” steroid cycle. I put “real” in quotes because Mag10 basically IS a steroid combo.
Mag10 in my opinion was perhaps the SAFEST anabolic route one could go in noticeable gains and minimal health side effects. Biotest’s 4 AD-EC was also very safe for all applications. It is REALLY too bad the compounds found therein were banned…I would be using it today if I had any more left (well, whenever I planned on going back on anything anabolic that is).
As I live in the UK, this is the only place I can get PH’s I believe, what do you guys think? I am only 17 years old but I am pissed off by not gaining or gaining so slowly and this is all that is left!
see what you have there is ‘herbal extracts’ they arent even chemicals!
I am no expert on this subject, but mak, arent these different to the PH you are trying to talk about?
OP… eat more… i PROMISE (it really depresses me that people dont really do this and turn to drugs because they cant eat 3-4000k calories) it will work.
Plus with the hormone levels you have naturally, a prohormone will do very little.
JJ
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
As I live in the UK, this is the only place I can get PH’s I believe, what do you guys think? I am only 17 years old but I am pissed off by not gaining or gaining so slowly and this is all that is left!
www.prohormones.co.uk/acatalog/Muscle_Gain.html[/quote]
No pro-hormones for you. You’re far too young and your diet sucks.
Come back when your over 21.
EDIT: And Brook is right, none of the products on that site are pro-hormones.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Singhbuilder wrote:
As I live in the UK, this is the only place I can get PH’s I believe, what do you guys think? I am only 17 years old but I am pissed off by not gaining or gaining so slowly and this is all that is left!
www.prohormones.co.uk/acatalog/Muscle_Gain.html
No pro-hormones for you. You’re far too young and your diet sucks.
Come back when your over 21.
EDIT: And Brook is right, none of the products on that site are pro-hormones.[/quote]
Realisticly, if I do a PH cycle when I’m 18, depending on the particular drug. I really don’t see there being very much damage done. Any good reports on late teens/early twenties having problems post PH use?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Singhbuilder wrote:
As I live in the UK, this is the only place I can get PH’s I believe, what do you guys think? I am only 17 years old but I am pissed off by not gaining or gaining so slowly and this is all that is left!
www.prohormones.co.uk/acatalog/Muscle_Gain.html
No pro-hormones for you. You’re far too young and your diet sucks.
Come back when your over 21.
EDIT: And Brook is right, none of the products on that site are pro-hormones.
Realisticly, if I do a PH cycle when I’m 18, depending on the particular drug. I really don’t see there being very much damage done. Any good reports on late teens/early twenties having problems post PH use?[/quote]
It depenmds which drug you use (well PH). There absolutely is a possibility you will do damage, depending on the length of use, amount used, and your own personal ‘resistance’ to the things…
I know this was true of the shit a few years back… but what about now Mak?
JJ
[quote]SwD wrote:
I’ve got to say Mag10 was amazing. But ever wonder why only 2 week cycles were recommanded? Most roids wont be harsh after 2 weeks either…
buffd_samurai wrote:
2 weeks “on” was recommended for fast HTPA recovery and was based on Bill Robert’s short cycle theories and philosophies. There was no reason one couldn’t use it for much longer as if on a “real” steroid cycle. I put “real” in quotes because Mag10 basically IS a steroid combo.
Mag10 in my opinion was perhaps the SAFEST anabolic route one could go in noticeable gains and minimal health side effects. Biotest’s 4 AD-EC was also very safe for all applications. It is REALLY too bad the compounds found therein were banned…I would be using it today if I had any more left (well, whenever I planned on going back on anything anabolic that is). [/quote]
I loved MAG-10. I do remember that Bill Roberts did say that 2 on and 2, and 2 on again (I think with TRIBEX for recovery those 2 weeks) was supposed to be better then 4 straight weeks.
Anyway I never really seemed to get much of a benefit from 4AD, or Androsol, other then feeling kind of calmer then normal. (Reverse roid rage?)
I have a single bottle left, and am planning on a longer, stretched out cycle, based on one of Cy Wilson’s recommendations, 3 pills once a week.
I’ll also do Max Rez-V, and Alpha Male along with it. I am thinking of following the Alpha Male 5 on 2 off week, but substituting the MAG-10 for my first dose of AM.
This would give me two 14 week cycles.
[quote] Brook wrote:
I know this was true of the shit a few years back… but what about now Mak?
JJ[/quote]
Exogenous test at a young age? Come on Brook, you must know this one! I’d say wait till the age of at LEAST 21 to ensure no endocrine system damage.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Brook wrote:
I know this was true of the shit a few years back… but what about now Mak?
JJ
Exogenous test at a young age? Come on Brook, you must know this one! I’d say wait till the age of at LEAST 21 to ensure no endocrine system damage.[/quote]
I know that, but i mean - the stuff nowadays isnt even hormonal is it? i thought all the real PH’s (which i always thought were shite anyway, i used some but only as i had no contact for DBol anymore, and i somehow thought them safer…
even though they are MORE expensive) got banned… all the ones now in the shops are all kinda “pre-pro-hormone”! They are so many steps away from the target substance you would get as much anabolism from 2 boiled eggs…
or maybe 3 if you take it for longer than 28 days… ;p
J
[quote] Brook wrote:
I know that, but i mean - the stuff nowadays isnt even hormonal is it? i thought all the real PH’s (which i always thought were shite anyway, i used some but only as i had no contact for DBol anymore, and i somehow thought them safer…
even though they are MORE expensive) got banned… all the ones now in the shops are all kinda “pre-pro-hormone”! They are so many steps away from the target substance you would get as much anabolism from 2 boiled eggs…
or maybe 3 if you take it for longer than 28 days… ;p
J[/quote]
True in the sense that not all PH’s are created equal. But FTR, Havoc/Epistane is a methylated Steroid, and there are plenty of other products out there that are hormonal.
I believe Furazadrol is non-methylated Winny? 200mg is supposed to be the equivalent of 50mg Winstrol. How true that is, I don’t know.
But there is a lot of shite out there too. I guess it’s a question of researching the product carefully.
wow… i really didnt realize how steroid-esque these ‘supplements’ (read: Drugs) are…
But IS there any point in using them? I mean, if you are going to mess with your endocrine system, ya may as well do it properly huh?
I almost feel like someone who has been paid by a supplement company to say this!! lmao!
‘run out and get yours NOW!’ 
(how old are you Mak? Are you gonna do a cycle soon-ish?)
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
wow… i really didnt realize how steroid-esque these ‘supplements’ (read: Drugs) are…
But IS there any point in using them? I mean, if you are going to mess with your endocrine system, ya may as well do it properly huh?[/quote]
I’d like to think if people have access to proper AAS, then they’d go for it (seeing as it is much safer), but for a lot of people they simply can’t get AAS. Make no mistake, stuff like Epistane/Havoc are steroids - not pro-hormones. Unfortunately, in order to fly under the radar, they have to be marketed as hormones.
And, more unfortunately, they are as well tested as the more “traditional” AAS.
[quote]I almost feel like someone who has been paid by a supplement company to say this!! lmao!
‘run out and get yours NOW!’ :D[/quote]
Is this the part where I rep you? 
[quote](how old are you Mak? Are you gonna do a cycle soon-ish?)
JJ[/quote]
21, and cycle will be end of next year (Test + Winstrol or Anavar), which gives me PLENTY of time to get past 200lbs naturally and find me some Anastrozole and Tamoxifen.
I see what you guys are saying about the PH’s being less tested, and epistane being more unknown than AAS, but is it possible they could be safer? I mean, just because it hasn’t been tested as much, isn’t it possible the side effects could be less?
The guy that posted his results with Havoc had pretty impressive results and zero side effects. Is that just rare? Or perhaps Havoc is a better formulation of AAS that reduces side effects?
Is it possible that other PHs or synthetic steroids like Havoc work better and/or have less sides than AAS?
I’m ignorant here so feel free to say I’m completely wrong/stupid.