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i just ordered liquid clomid…so i hope it isnt too bad.

it was the only thing i could get and was best value. everyhting else was only like 100mgs worth of shit…idk. but i spent $80 cause i need it ASAP as my cycle is kinda over anyday and im going to keep running it until i get my shit.

hopefully it doesnt go past 5 weeks, im on like 27-29 days right now. i cant say for sure w/o looking at my sheet.

edit: i just got my e-mail back from a SERM vendor, they said my order got held up at customs and it should be arriving soon, i dont fucking believe them though. lets see which gets here first, the liquid clomid i ordered today w/ rush delivery or the nolvadex pills from over 1 month ago? the race begins.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i just ordered liquid clomid…so i hope it isnt too bad.

it was the only thing i could get and was best value. everyhting else was only like 100mgs worth of shit…idk. but i spent $80 cause i need it ASAP as my cycle is kinda over anyday and im going to keep running it until i get my shit.

hopefully it doesnt go past 5 weeks, im on like 27-29 days right now. i cant say for sure w/o looking at my sheet.

edit: i just got my e-mail back from a SERM vendor, they said my order got held up at customs and it should be arriving soon, i dont fucking believe them though. lets see which gets here first, the liquid clomid i ordered today w/ rush delivery or the nolvadex pills from over 1 month ago? the race begins.[/quote]

You live in the US, why are you even going through a site that has to deal with customs ?

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
Dick_In_A_Box wrote:
After four weeks of H-Drol (50mg), do I really need to go balls out on Clomid?

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got enough Clomid to do 300 x 1, 100 x 11 and 50 x 12 and still have a handful left over to give away next Halloween.

I’m just wondering if I need all that for just four weeks of a PH?

Just trying to minimize sides. But if I’ve gotta, I’ve gotta.

I guess the Clomid PMS will be ok as long as I can get the huge elephant semen loads with it also.

But the permanent eye damage thing is worrisome. Is it? Some people seem real concerned, others laugh it off. I’m not sure where to stand on it.

Just seems to make sense I’d want to take the lowest effective dose possible, and it’s not like I’m doing a really long or harsh cycle.

Could I do something like Clomid @ 100 x 7 days, 50mg x 14 days?

Clomid is barely used anymore.

Most people use nolva or torefemine now.

That said, I noticed the eye thing when I used it for PCT, and you definitely get pissy, its from the high dose of estrogen.

SERMs are estrogens after all, just SELECTIVE estrogens.

I have not used clomid in a long time, and dont intend to agian.

Most people run hdrol at 75 mg/day and run it for more like 5-6 weeks.

Your cycle is a little light to be honest.

Your still going to need an SERM pct simply to catch any estrogen rebound.

I dont see a reason to dose the clomid at 300. 100 should be sufficient.
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Thanks.

Ok, I’ve got two more bottles of H-Drol on the way, and some Tamoxifen on the way also.

Clomid will stay in reserve in case the Tamoxifen isn’t real.

By the time it all gets here I’ll be ready to do a two month stretch of zero alcohol, and it’ll be go time for my first cycle - H-Droll @ 75 for 5-6 weeks with Liv52, then Tamoxifen/Trib PCT.

Appreciate all the help everyone.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i just ordered liquid clomid…so i hope it isnt too bad.

it was the only thing i could get and was best value. everyhting else was only like 100mgs worth of shit…idk. but i spent $80 cause i need it ASAP as my cycle is kinda over anyday and im going to keep running it until i get my shit.

hopefully it doesnt go past 5 weeks, im on like 27-29 days right now. i cant say for sure w/o looking at my sheet.

edit: i just got my e-mail back from a SERM vendor, they said my order got held up at customs and it should be arriving soon, i dont fucking believe them though. lets see which gets here first, the liquid clomid i ordered today w/ rush delivery or the nolvadex pills from over 1 month ago? the race begins.

You live in the US, why are you even going through a site that has to deal with customs ?[/quote]

because the drugs are from Canada?

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There are lots of distributors in the U.S. and that would eliminate the risk of confiscation…

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So we’ve been talking about PH’s for sometime now. What type of side effects would he expect and how bad could you hurt your body and liver. We’ve been saying that we shouldn’t take these with out researching them and make sure you take a PCT and liver support ECT?

But what is the worst that would happen, how long would the side effects be and is it possible to bring your body back to normal where it was before anyone took any PH without knowing better (to reverse the negative side effects.)

Where should we go to see if there is any permanent damage and any info that we could use to help us learn about the damages that we inflected on ourselves?

Like for example I just took 3 years worth of superdrol in 6 months with no liver support 2 years ago, Haven’t had any other PH’s since then but is it safe to go out and get shitty at the bars with my friends still??? Or if someone only took one cycle what would he expect. So on and so forth?

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i just ordered liquid clomid…so i hope it isnt too bad.

it was the only thing i could get and was best value. everyhting else was only like 100mgs worth of shit…idk. but i spent $80 cause i need it ASAP as my cycle is kinda over anyday and im going to keep running it until i get my shit.

hopefully it doesnt go past 5 weeks, im on like 27-29 days right now. i cant say for sure w/o looking at my sheet.

edit: i just got my e-mail back from a SERM vendor, they said my order got held up at customs and it should be arriving soon, i dont fucking believe them though. lets see which gets here first, the liquid clomid i ordered today w/ rush delivery or the nolvadex pills from over 1 month ago? the race begins.

You live in the US, why are you even going through a site that has to deal with customs ?

because the drugs are from Canada? [/quote]

I thought we got you set up with several US based companies ?

You didnt have a visa or something right ?

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[quote]keithcuda wrote:
So we’ve been talking about PH’s for sometime now. What type of side effects would he expect and how bad could you hurt your body and liver. We’ve been saying that we shouldn’t take these with out researching them and make sure you take a PCT and liver support ECT?

But what is the worst that would happen, how long would the side effects be and is it possible to bring your body back to normal where it was before anyone took any PH without knowing better (to reverse the negative side effects.)

Where should we go to see if there is any permanent damage and any info that we could use to help us learn about the damages that we inflected on ourselves?

Like for example I just took 3 years worth of superdrol in 6 months with no liver support 2 years ago, Haven’t had any other PH’s since then but is it safe to go out and get shitty at the bars with my friends still??? Or if someone only took one cycle what would he expect. So on and so forth? [/quote]

refer back to the first page its a long post by mac it will cover most of what you wanting to know

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[quote]keithcuda wrote:
Like for example I just took 3 years worth of superdrol in 6 months with no liver support 2 years ago, Haven’t had any other PH’s since then but is it safe to go out and get shitty at the bars with my friends still??? Or if someone only took one cycle what would he expect. So on and so forth? [/quote]

Hmm. So are you’re saying that 2 years ago you actually took 5x the recommended dosage of superdrol over the course of 6 months, and you want to know what, if anything to do about it now?

Nobody here can give you specifics regarding a situation like that, other than to say it sounds somewhat insane.

Anyway, just get a comprehensive blood panel done. Come back here with the results.

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[quote]tibz wrote:
keithcuda wrote:
So we’ve been talking about PH’s for sometime now. What type of side effects would he expect and how bad could you hurt your body and liver. We’ve been saying that we shouldn’t take these with out researching them and make sure you take a PCT and liver support ECT?

But what is the worst that would happen, how long would the side effects be and is it possible to bring your body back to normal where it was before anyone took any PH without knowing better (to reverse the negative side effects.)

Where should we go to see if there is any permanent damage and any info that we could use to help us learn about the damages that we inflected on ourselves?

Like for example I just took 3 years worth of superdrol in 6 months with no liver support 2 years ago, Haven’t had any other PH’s since then but is it safe to go out and get shitty at the bars with my friends still??? Or if someone only took one cycle what would he expect. So on and so forth?

refer back to the first page its a long post by mac it will cover most of what you wanting to know [/quote]

Mac?

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Haha… No I didn’t do that at all, that would be crazy. But I’m sure it has been done

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Also, I note that people keep asking about whether they should drink while on or not - read the first post.

The answer is a resounding NO.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Also, I note that people keep asking about whether they should drink while on or not - read the first post.

The answer is a resounding NO.

I read the first post… I was asking that if someone took a cycle with no liver support do you think they could of caused any damage that might be a risk for them to drink even after they have stopped taking any type of PH for some time now.

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[quote]keithcuda wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Also, I note that people keep asking about whether they should drink while on or not - read the first post.

The answer is a resounding NO.

I read the first post… I was asking that if someone took a cycle with no liver support do you think they could of caused any damage that might be a risk for them to drink even after they have stopped taking any type of PH for some time now. [/quote]

Wasn’t directed at you, but the Liver is surprisingly resilient. After a cycle and PCT, I’d say the occasional drink won’t hurt you.

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[quote]keithcuda wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Also, I note that people keep asking about whether they should drink while on or not - read the first post.

The answer is a resounding NO.

I read the first post… I was asking that if someone took a cycle with no liver support do you think they could of caused any damage that might be a risk for them to drink even after they have stopped taking any type of PH for some time now. [/quote]

The liver is pretty resilient but no one can say for sure what would happen in a specific situation.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i just ordered liquid clomid…so i hope it isnt too bad.

it was the only thing i could get and was best value. everyhting else was only like 100mgs worth of shit…idk. but i spent $80 cause i need it ASAP as my cycle is kinda over anyday and im going to keep running it until i get my shit.

hopefully it doesnt go past 5 weeks, im on like 27-29 days right now. i cant say for sure w/o looking at my sheet.

edit: i just got my e-mail back from a SERM vendor, they said my order got held up at customs and it should be arriving soon, i dont fucking believe them though. lets see which gets here first, the liquid clomid i ordered today w/ rush delivery or the nolvadex pills from over 1 month ago? the race begins.

You live in the US, why are you even going through a site that has to deal with customs ?

because the drugs are from Canada?

I thought we got you set up with several US based companies ?

You didnt have a visa or something right ?[/quote]

the first one that everyone pushed for didnt accept MC, i found another site that was reccomended to me which did though so i ordered from them.

after i ordered that, i ordered my Havoc, a few days went by, the cycle showed up, i waited like 2-3 days and just got impatient and started taking it figuring by the time i was midway thru the stuff would show up.

then i got worried because i was into my 4th week and it still wasnt here, the 7-21 days had passed (and then some) and i contacted them via e-mail,

heres what i got

"Thank you for contacting us.

We are sorry for this inconvenience. There was a delay at the customs. The
order is on the way, please wait till the end of Jan and let us know if you
still don’t get it. Thank you very much for your patience. We appreciate it a
lot.

Please, do not hesitate to contact us in case you have any further question.

Kind regards,
Molly Holmes"

but the day before that i ordered off a chemsite for liquid Clomid or something and put a rush on it for an extra 25 bucks.

i cant believe how much harder it is to get PCT than to get the drugs themselves, i actually got connected to a legit AAS vendor too in the meantime.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
tibz wrote:
keithcuda wrote:
So we’ve been talking about PH’s for sometime now. What type of side effects would he expect and how bad could you hurt your body and liver. We’ve been saying that we shouldn’t take these with out researching them and make sure you take a PCT and liver support ECT?

But what is the worst that would happen, how long would the side effects be and is it possible to bring your body back to normal where it was before anyone took any PH without knowing better (to reverse the negative side effects.)

Where should we go to see if there is any permanent damage and any info that we could use to help us learn about the damages that we inflected on ourselves?

Like for example I just took 3 years worth of superdrol in 6 months with no liver support 2 years ago, Haven’t had any other PH’s since then but is it safe to go out and get shitty at the bars with my friends still??? Or if someone only took one cycle what would he expect. So on and so forth?

refer back to the first page its a long post by mac it will cover most of what you wanting to know

Mac?[/quote]

my bad

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Ok Mak, that is a little more of what I was looking for… just really interested if someone knows for sure, or heard situations of what would happen if you took a cycle or two with no PCT or liver support. How dangerous is it to take a PH without knowing anything about them. Could you inflect any long term effects, short-term effects, or permanent damages? How much damage would you cause to your liver, two months down the line am I going to start growing titties? Can I or what can I do to turn around these negative effects that I caused to my body. Like I’m tired of my tits lactating. Or I took this PH a year ago and not sure how much damage I caused to my liver so is it safe to drink with my buds now.

A response a little more than “it depends on the specific situation” would be a little more appreciated, I can gather that much. But lets say that you took 1 - 2 cycles of a PH like superdrol with no PCT or liver support and followed the recommended dosage on the back of the bottle.

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[quote]keithcuda wrote:
Ok Mak, that is a little more of what I was looking for… just really interested if someone knows for sure, or heard situations of what would happen if you took a cycle or two with no PCT or liver support. How dangerous is it to take a PH without knowing anything about them. Could you inflect any long term effects, short-term effects, or permanent damages? How much damage would you cause to your liver, two months down the line am I going to start growing titties? Can I or what can I do to turn around these negative effects that I caused to my body. Like I’m tired of my tits lactating. Or I took this PH a year ago and not sure how much damage I caused to my liver so is it safe to drink with my buds now.

A response a little more than “it depends on the specific situation” would be a little more appreciated, I can gather that much. But lets say that you took 1 - 2 cycles of a PH like superdrol with no PCT or liver support and followed the recommended dosage on the back of the bottle.
[/quote]

u can pulse it. youll get less results but youll get less negative side effects too and you wont need PCT but i dont understand why you wouldnt shell out like 30 bucks for liver support?

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ok, so heres what came in the mail today; Clomiphene Citrate 25mg/ml - 60mls

how do i dose this stuff as compared to tamoxifen?

the bottle is also pretty badass looking.