Pro-Lifer Throws Incendiary Device at PP

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
We reach a new level of dumb when we start trying to bolster our abortion arguments by pretending we believe anyone, anywhere who ever used the word in a sentence ever did so with the idea that the word “parasite” would ever in a million years even begin to hint at its being applied to a mother’s offspring regarding its relationship to her.

This is really where this argument went? Seriously? In what other normal situation, save fantastical internet abortion debates, is the word “parasite” applied in this manner? Can someone provide me with some example of the word parasite being used in reference to a child regarding it’s mother? Anywhere? Really?

You were at least entertaining when you were still referring to it as an unwanted tenant or thereabouts, orion. [/quote]

He posted that an embryo could not be a parasite, I provided several definitions that would include an embryo.

I also pointed out that there are definitions that define a parasite as an organism that has another species as a host.

I dont care either way, but his argument was weak.

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Heh. Okay, would you then say that the original argument presented, that an embryo is a parasite (with the implication, therefore, abortable) is a strong one in the context of abortion arguments?[/quote]

Yes. The reason people have gotten so upset over my choosing of words is because when one can see the fetus as what it is(a biological parasite on the mother) then it is obvious that it is the mother’s decision weather or not she wants this in her body… This becomes distorted when the issue of “human death” comes into play. It is only okay to kill men in war because that is what god says… Any other killing is “murder”…

By the way, in conjunction with that last sentence, note that I introduced all of the underlying roots for the reasoning that would follow in both sides of this argument in my first post in this thread… I’ve been down the reasoning and debating of all of the sides to this argument 1000000 times before in my own head. All the views you people are trying to tell me, I’ve thought of them already… This is fucking played out… I’m done here this is only the 1000000th time I’ve seen this one… I’m fucking bored and I’m done humoring imbeciles and playing pretend debate with them as if they are even worthy of speaking to me directly…(ut-oh the asshole comes out - have a field day with this one guys, I probably wont respond but I’ll most likely read and laugh at your responses)
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You do realize how absolutely insane these statements are, correct? You pretend to be scientific and factual yet you absolutely guess what people’s motives and underlying thoughts are (despite them not knowing them?).
And please don’t pretend to sit here and be logical when you just openly admitted to strawmanning everyone.
Also, the implications of your definition of parasite are pretty intense. Pretty much every living organism falls under your definition of parasite, since no organism can live without its environment or ecosystem. Everything from a cell to a forest. That’s fine if you want to take that position, but you’ve essentially hollowed out the meaning of the word ‘parasite’.

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If anyone in Southern California is interested the is a Walk for Life at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena tomorrow. It starts at 10 o’clock.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

I can respond to you… At least your responses aren’t literally taunting me to turning this into a bitch-fest…

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I must say that I iz honestly disappoint.

First you made this into a bitch fest, that you taunted us with your amazing intellectual prowess and debating skills and then here I stand with my dick in my hand, unable to drink from the fountain of your wisdom.

So sad now.

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Um, I didn’t say that. I think you meant someone else :)[/quote]

Damn.

Lately I am so obsessed with fixing broken quote functions that I seriously overlook Who posted what.

My apologies kind Sir, I failed you, me, and I probably also brought shame to my family.

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Lol. That may be the most over-the-top apology I’ve ever received on here. You are forgiven, good Soul, and Godspeed on your mission to fix quotations wherever they are broken.

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Ya’ll iz some stoopid faces. I iz done tryna haz debate wit cha’ll. Im gona go git me some hardboiled fetuzes now, bai.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
A question that I hope will be answered by the mental giants that slum it amjongst us, is someone who had an accident and is on life support a “parasite”?

Inquiring minds need to know and since I know for a fact that one or the other of the posters in this thread has worked this all out in detail I can only hope that he will swing by and enlighten all of us.

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No, they are not on a parasite because they are on life support.[/quote]

But wait, how can this be?

If embryos are parasites because they cannot live on their own, someone on life support surely is a parasite too?

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Neither is a parasite.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
Ya’ll iz some stoopid faces. I iz done tryna haz debate wit cha’ll. Im gona go git me some hardboiled fetuzes now, bai.[/quote]
When did you try to have a debate? All you did was speak jibberish and bullshit.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
Ya’ll iz some stoopid faces. I iz done tryna haz debate wit cha’ll. Im gona go git me some hardboiled fetuzes now, bai.[/quote]

Like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Grow up.

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Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

True. He did. But he refused anything even resembling civil rational discourse. Refused to answer anybody’s questions, refused to refer to anyone on the board with any respect, ignored attempts by myself and others to bring things back to a civil level, and generally acts like he was in fucking middle school. Why the hell should anyone bother to answer him when he has done nothing at all to a) answer any civil question posted (even ones I made with the explicit disclaimer that I was not looking to get involved and just trying to understand his definitions) or b) refer to anyone on the board with any fucking respect?

For crying out loud, even orion is mocking him now, and orion if I remember correctly is firmly pro-choice. He’s an ALLY on the issue of abortion. Deorum didn’t even notice.

I don’t care. My entire point for entering this thread was to point out that an argument for a woman’s natural rights should rest on something a bit more firm than medical technology. I did NOT want to argue such a hot button issue. Just put the debate on firmer grounds, or at least understand the rationale used for his definition. Sadly, when someone is unable to converse as an adult, it is impossible.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

We do.

Kind of hard to adopt dead children, though isn’t it?

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[quote]Guilty77 wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
Ya’ll iz some stoopid faces. I iz done tryna haz debate wit cha’ll. Im gona go git me some hardboiled fetuzes now, bai.[/quote]
When did you try to have a debate? All you did was speak jibberish and bullshit.[/quote]

O rly is that what I did?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

We do.

Kind of hard to adopt dead children, though isn’t it?[/quote]

You been doing a lot of adopting now have you? That’s nice to see your putting your money where your mouth is.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

True. He did. But he refused anything even resembling civil rational discourse. Refused to answer anybody’s questions, refused to refer to anyone on the board with any respect, ignored attempts by myself and others to bring things back to a civil level, and generally acts like he was in fucking middle school. Why the hell should anyone bother to answer him when he has done nothing at all to a) answer any civil question posted (even ones I made with the explicit disclaimer that I was not looking to get involved and just trying to understand his definitions) or b) refer to anyone on the board with any fucking respect?

For crying out loud, even orion is mocking him now, and orion if I remember correctly is firmly pro-choice. He’s an ALLY on the issue of abortion. Deorum didn’t even notice.

I don’t care. My entire point for entering this thread was to point out that an argument for a woman’s natural rights should rest on something a bit more firm than medical technology. I did NOT want to argue such a hot button issue. Just put the debate on firmer grounds, or at least understand the rationale used for his definition. Sadly, when someone is unable to converse as an adult, it is impossible.[/quote]

Fair enough.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

We do.

Kind of hard to adopt dead children, though isn’t it?[/quote]

So you have children? Adopted? How many?

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

You’re missing the point that the pregnancies do not have to happen. The choice is whether or not to have sex. If you are having sex than you should be prepared to face the consequences. STDs or pregnancy. Women are using abortion as birth control. If murdering babies was illegal there would be far less unwanted pregnancies. There are many people that would love to adopt babies but can’t.

If doing a rosary walk or holding a sign gets one person to think about and change their decision then it is worth it.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

We do.

Kind of hard to adopt dead children, though isn’t it?[/quote]

So you have children? Adopted? How many?[/quote]

Wait a minute. Mak, so are you paying for abortions?

In any case, it is the responsibility of those who set the series of events into motion to accept responsibility for the consequences of those events. And as far as acting like people who are against murdering babies should be adopting all of those babies, that’s a ridiculous argument and you certainly must know it.

Here’s a question for you: Are you against child abuse?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

We do.

Kind of hard to adopt dead children, though isn’t it?[/quote]

So you have children? Adopted? How many?[/quote]

Wait a minute. Mak, so are you paying for abortions?

In any case, it is the responsibility of those who set the series of events into motion to accept responsibility for the consequences of those events. And as far as acting like people who are against murdering babies should be adopting all of those babies, that’s a ridiculous argument and you certainly must know it.

Here’s a question for you: Are you against child abuse?
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I don’t follow. Why would I pay for abortions?

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

We do.

Kind of hard to adopt dead children, though isn’t it?[/quote]

So you have children? Adopted? How many?[/quote]

No, I don’t have a wife (getting an education at the moment) yet so that wouldn’t be fair to the children, but my folks have adopted four, and fostered dozens more back in the day. The rest of my family…I think the minimum adopted (for one wife) is one (she’s pretty young though and is talking about more) and the max is a whopping 10 (zero of their own).

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[quote]cvb wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deorum made a valid point before. Instead of going for walks and holding up signs, why don’t you all adopt these children that would have been otherwise aborted?[/quote]

You’re missing the point that the pregnancies do not have to happen. The choice is whether or not to have sex. If you are having sex than you should be prepared to face the consequences. STDs or pregnancy. Women are using abortion as birth control. If murdering babies was illegal there would be far less unwanted pregnancies. There are many people that would love to adopt babies but can’t.

If doing a rosary walk or holding a sign gets one person to think about and change their decision then it is worth it. [/quote]

As of last night 40 days has saved 147 lives! Oorah!

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[quote]cvb wrote:
You’re missing the point that the pregnancies do not have to happen. Women are using abortion as birth control. If murdering babies was illegal there would be far less unwanted pregnancies. There are many people that would love to adopt babies but can’t.

If doing a rosary walk or holding a sign gets one person to think about and change their decision then it is worth it. [/quote]

The fact that so many women use abortion for birth control is a sad fact indeed! That many men take no responsibility for birth-control is tragic as well. It is difficult for resonsible people to imagine an unwanted pregnancy with all the prevention options available. What I want is to see discussion…like this thread, and more. I want discussion with our sons and daughters, with our parents, brothers, and sisters. In our churches and at our social gatherings. I want any change that happens to be the result of persuasion and individual conviction, not by way of written law.