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Who are YOU to tell me what my mother, sister, aunt, cousin or even my girlfriend would say? Oh that is right, I was raised to place others before my immediate gratification. I surround myself with others, like me.
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Yes, I value the life over a woman’s choice. Do not forget she partook in an activity where the outcome is always known. Are you trying to argue a case for immediate gratification?
Now you are going for a miscarriage?! Brother Chris we have ANOTHER straw man over here!! So what is the child at conception? This has never once been answered btw.
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Place whom ever you would like there. My mother, my sister, my cousin, my aunts or even my neighbors. The outcome is NOT going to change.
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Is the ‘clump of cells’ a person, or a scab? If the answer is a person, I would hope to give life to the person rather than kill them before we can hear their silent screams. If it were a scab, why would you care about one ‘clump of cells’ over the other? I sure wouldn’t worry about some dried blood. Even if it are a ‘clump of cells’.
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You are going two different, two separate cases.
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If it were my sister who became pregnant, I know she was fully aware of the choice to create the life. Instead of throwing the gift away, she would cherish the gift and raise the child to be a productive part of society.
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First let me say that I would never wish anything horrible upon anyone, even to my worst enemy. Especially such a horrible and disgusting act such as rape. Yet you have never once told me how a violent act is made better by perpetuating the situation, with an even more violent act. On a defenseless child none the less. Where are the rights of the child?
[quote]ColumboSteel wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
YOU are arguing for the whole [populous vote] to decide the rights of all. I know ALL people deserve their own rights, regardless of what the population believes. Infringement upon the individuals rights are what I have a problem with.
[quote]ColumboSteel wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Yup, argue for the whole population because that percent of a number is SO large, it doesn’t even total a single whole numerical value.
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[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
choosing not to bring a child into the world.
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I’ll stop you right here, there is a very easy and very non-lethal way to do this. If we’re going to act like gods, should we not have the responsibility of gods then?
If you wish not to bring a child into the world, then you should abstain from sex as we know sex leads to making babies. You can throw road blocks in the way, but the road ultimately leads to the same destination with or without road blocks: making babies. If you wish not to reach that destination, then don’t make that turn. Obvious solution is obvious.[/quote]
Excellent post, Chris.
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Yeah, fuck all those woman who get raped and should no longer have a choice. Obvious solution is obvious.[/quote]
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Oh so by your logic only those who represent the vast majority deserve rights? [/quote]
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You got that completely backwards. I am arguing that EVERYONE should have the RIGHT to decide for themselves. Its called freedom to decide what to do with their own bodies. You on the other hand are wanting to limit those rights. Did you miss that or are you just trying to play word games to make your position seem valid?
How can you say that you believe all people deserve individual rights when you are trying to take someones right to choose away? On that note, who do you think more deserves to have their rights taken away? A women who has already been put in a situation she does not desire, or a couple of cells resting inside her? Im guessing that if this happened to a loved one of yours and she did not desire it that you would not have the balls to fight this hard to stop her, and if you did its too bad she has you in her life and you choose to support those couple of cells rather than her. Think you could tell your sister, mom, aunt, wife or whoever else ‘well fuck you. its too bad you got raped but you have no right to decide what to do with your body anymore. Im making that decision for you’?[/quote]
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I said any female you hold dear to you. Again you miss the point. You failed to answer the question yet again. What would you do if…
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No one wishes that apon someone, nor did I say you would, but yet again you did not answer a question of mine. Who deserves their rights taken away more? The woman or the clump of cells? One of them is going to lose out and of course you are trying to avoid picking one to make it seem like you are taking the moral high ground. Answer the question.[/quote]
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Are you sure about that? They are not in here to say what they would want so you could be lieing your ass off for all I know and sense it has not happened to one of them, I am assuming, then I dont understand how you can speak for them.
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So sense you gave some half assed answer Im going to assume that you value the potential child over that of the women…sad. What if a miscarriage occured? Then you removed someone elses rights all for not. And quite pulling that comparing a born child to the initial conception. Whether you want to admit it on here or not, a small clump of cells is all it is at that time.[/quote]
