Pro Hormones and The Like ????

Nutrition
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Hey guys,

Well I am finally ready to start my serious workouts. I am in my last couple weeks of med school and taking my last 9 hours board exam in a month. I want to integrate my 8 hour study days with some great hard working out.

I really am hoping to make some gains this time around and have MANY med school buds who use real gear but not sure if I want to go there…ahve not put any solid lifestyle changes except diet into place yet and that stuff worries me…so…what do you guys think about these as supps…just bought some and want to know if they work and really are safe. ANY opinions would be great, honest!!

Just bought (all from LG science):

Methyl 1-D to take for 4 weeks
I-GH-1 to take withthe Methyl 1-D
liquid Masterdrol to take for 4 weeks
Slin (insuline enhancer)
Formadrol extreme (for 2 weeks when off the rest)

Does this stuff work…some guys who were in the shop buying (not workers) swear by it they said for some good gains). I am a very hard gainer although my past workouts never went past 4 months due to lack of any real gains.

Just got frustrated and thought I would give this a chance. Are there BETTER products out there I can use instead? Yes I have a creatine and protein already. Just want something to help speed it up. Taking a graduation cruise in Oct and I am skinny and it DOES mean alot to me to have some noticeable gains before I ( am in a swim suit 24/7 for week…vain but honest!

I am 6’ and about 152 with 11% BF and
I should mention that I am 38 years old so testosterone boosters might be ok.

ANY help fellas would be great!!

Thanks :slight_smile:

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I don’t know what half that crap is but, are you sure your in med school
? I don’t mean to offend you but WTF are you thinking. And you already purchased it? Why? You should start some serious lifting wayyy prior to consider anything like that. I’d return it, and save the cash. Again, no disrespect man. It’s better if you don’t take that stuff and educate yourself about excercise and nutrition.

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[quote]thetruepitbull wrote:
I don’t know what half that crap is but, are you sure your in med school
? I don’t mean to offend you but WTF are you thinking. And you already purchased it? Why? You should start some serious lifting wayyy prior to consider anything like that. I’d return it, and save the cash. Again, no disrespect man. It’s better if you don’t take that stuff and educate yourself about excercise and nutrition.[/quote]

It probably was a dumb idea. Believe me when I tell you I KNOW about exercise and nutrition LOL. No offense taken, honest. I uderstand where your concern is coming from. I guess it is just that I have become so frustrated when it comes to working out. I have tried before…but only keep up with it for 4 month stretches at a time…the results are sooooooo slow and annoying.

I am a very hard gainer. When I see buddies of mine other med students oddly enough) taking these pro hormones or the hard stuff and see them making these big gains rapidly it is a bit frustrating) :frowning: You are right, but I really was hoping fora b it of an advantage to help me out…one that was hopefully not as harmful as steroids themselves. Just a crappy position to be in…I have teh knowledge but have such a damn skinny body (with a bit of a gut now LOL) and just wanted faster, better results to help keep me in the gym.

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What do you consider a hard gainer to be? Many “experts” think that the most a natural trainee can gain is about .5 pounds of muscle per week, which means in 4 months you can gain about 6 pounds, or around 25 pounds a year for the first year or so.

It is faster I would imagine with some “pro hormones” (I think all the good ones got banned back in 04). But those are realistic numbers. This is a lifetime commitment and to stop after 4 months is just not justified.

Think 1 pound a week and stick to that.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
What do you consider a hard gainer to be? Many “experts” think that the most a natural trainee can gain is about .5 pounds of muscle per week, which means in 4 months you can gain about 6 pounds, or around 25 pounds a year for the first year or so.
It is faster I would imagine with some “pro hormones” (I think all the good ones got banned back in 04). But those are realistic numbers. This is a lifetime commitment and to stop after 4 months is just not justified.
Think 1 pound a week and stick to that.[/quote]

Here, here. Amen.
These kinds of posts bum me out more than anything…especially if they come from a young person…which this is not, but it’s still frustrating:

A new lifter trying hard work and food for a few months, then getting impatient and either buying a bunch of fake steroids, or unfortunately the real ones.

There is SO much that can be done just with a SOLID commitment to the three most anabolic things you can do for your body: eating, sleeping and lifting heavy and hard. You can increase your metabolism, testosterone, etc…just by being committed to giving those three things a chance.

I’d highly suggest reading John Berardi’s Massive Eating articles:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459429

So many new lifters, and even some not-so-new lifters THINK they are eating a lot and actually aren’t.

I would suggest religiously following a solid bulking diet plan (based on the linked article…or any other great ones on this site) combined with a solid workout plan of lifting lots of big, heavy weights (also lots on this site) for a bare minimum of SIX MONTHS to a YEAR before considering any prohormone crap. Sorry. I meant stuff.

Ahem.

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[quote]caushian wrote:
Believe me when I tell you I KNOW about exercise and nutrition LOL. No offense taken, honest. I uderstand where your concern is coming from. I guess it is just that I have become so frustrated when it comes to working out. I have tried before…but only keep up with it for 4 month stretches at a time…the results are sooooooo slow and annoying.
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of course you do. that is why you are 6’??" and all of 150 lbs. I know what it’s like to be a millionaire except after four months of watching my spending habits and putting away money in investments I get bored with it cos the money isn’t growing quick enough.

If you are in med school then i’ll assume you know what it is like to commit to something and see it through. the same with this exercise and nutrition thing; you have to see it through and be consistent with it day in and day out.

either you want it bad enough or you don’t…plain and simple. I’m not saying the pro-hormones will work and I’m not saying they won’t. However, you ain’t ready for them either way.

Professor X take it from here…please

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the only hormone products that work are illegal. they are called steroids. stick to normal supps and diet, you will go further and if you want advice on the real thibg when you are ready, there is a section for this type of discussion.

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Your life’s motto sounds like a song from Queen:

“I want it all,
I want it all,
I want it all,
and I want it now.”

It is great that you know so much about nutrition and exercise. How about you put it to use, because I’m sure your knowledge tells you that four months is just enough time to tone you up. It takes at least six months to cement the lifestyle change, and a few years to get decent results.

I can’t believe a med student, graduating, with all this knowledge on nutrition and exercise, listened to a couple guys at the supp store and bought these products, all the while knowing that there are no legal shortcuts.

What made you decide to “finally” take this seriously? Is it the cruise in October? If it is, you’ll lift till the cruise, maybe, then we’ll see you next time you decide to finally do it again.

If you are choosing this lifestyle, knowing that it takes all you’ve got for the next few years, welcome. If you want a quick fix for October, get lipo for the gut, implants for the pecs and penis, and a black marker to draw in the six pack abs.

Good Luck.

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[quote]ubl0 wrote:
the only hormone products that work are illegal. they are called steroids. stick to normal supps and diet, you will go further and if you want advice on the real thibg when you are ready, there is a section for this type of discussion.[/quote]

Thank GOD someone said this.

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none of those are phs man sorry you got ripped off. They sell them you just have to know what to look for and where to look.

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You can still get this stuff in UK

A few comments on each product.

You are prob. getting into these waaay too early for them to be much good, or, in other words, you don’t need them.

If you think you need them at your level then you are doing something REALLY wrong:

  • not sleeping
  • not eating enough or properly
  • deficient in something
  • training too much and not recovering
  • not actually lifting weights/overloading
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[quote]caushian wrote:

It probably was a dumb idea. Believe me when I tell you I KNOW about exercise and nutrition LOL. No offense taken, honest. I uderstand where your concern is coming from. I guess it is just that I have become so frustrated when it comes to working out. I have tried before…but only keep up with it for 4 month stretches at a time…the results are sooooooo slow and annoying.

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If you knew sooo much about exercise and nutrition than you would be gaining, even if you are a hardgainer. If you can’t put on weight without the PH and/or gear you don’t know much about exercise and nutrition.

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Isnt Liquid masterdrol the same thing as methyl masterdrol wich is the same thing as superdrol?

Could be completle wrong tho.

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Gains in muscle and strength arent slow at all if your new. If they are you dont know anything about diet and training.

100lbs on your squat and deadlift in 10 weeks I would say are verry common.
If your arent wiling to stay natural with newbie gains as soon as your cycle is over you wont keep your diet up and you will lose everything you gained.

PS. I dont take steroids just read alot.

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Thanks for everyone’s thougts…YES I took all the stuff back without ever taking one pill. It was a moment of weakness when I purchased them…went in for protein and came out with all these…ARGH!

Yes I do need MORE sleep…tough when doing 18 hour shifts in a hospital and then trying to eat well…need to take my meals and prowder with me and find a place to stash them (actually been doing this for about 3 weeks now and seems to fit into my schedule a bit). Just wish I had a workout partner to lift heavier…will do the best I can for now.

Have been giving this a try for the last month while studying for boards. If I really put my mind to it like I did for med school you are right, I should be able to pull of some gains and keep at it for the long haul. I really would like to be one of those doctors that patients look at and say "he seems to have the time to take care of himslef so I guess I can do it as well).
That is the real motivation now and not the cruise.

So thanks everyone!!

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Good for you, really, you don’t need any of that super advanced stuff and prob. never will get to a stage where you need it.

You really need REST, FOOD, WEIGHTS.

If you can’t get enough rest or food, then you are going to have to take your time, take longer, instead of working out 3x a week, workout 2x a week. Or even 1.5 times a week.

You do NOT need to be doing everything at full speed, 100% - you do not need to take in insane amounts of protein or food or supplements or anything unless you are trying to make gains as fast as possible, which most people are, because they just want everything now.

This weightlifting game is NOT a sprint, it is a marathon of effort over a long period of time. The ads would have you think it is a sprint, and that a one month supply of X powder will make you huge.

Having said all that, you do have to exercise often enough to create a stimulus and you do need to eat enough and rest enough. My guess is for you, twice a week should be enough. And since your diet / lifestyle is prob. erratic, prob. 2 shakes a day to supplement your crazy lifestyle.

18 hr shifts suck, but you will have to be more disciplined with your meals, so it can work to your advantage: cook up meals in advance and stash them in containers to nuke them at work. Make sure they don’t get pinched at the hospital by other staff - you know what I mean, the hungry ones who didn’t bring their own lunch.

As a beginner anything you do will work, unless you don’t eat and don’t sleep.

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your first prohormone stack will always be the one that gives you the most gains. its the law of diminishing returns. if you arent very good at building muscle aleady, you are going to waste your money, and worse, you wont be able to benefit much from that stuff in the future when you could really use that stuff to make some serious gains.

i made this mistake. dont go supplement crazy like many beginners or else you wont be able to benefit from this stuff as much in the future.

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[quote]youngguns516 wrote:
your first prohormone stack will always be the one that gives you the most gains. its the law of diminishing returns. if you arent very good at building muscle aleady, you are going to waste your money, and worse, you wont be able to benefit much from that stuff in the future when you could really use that stuff to make some serious gains.

i made this mistake. dont go supplement crazy like many beginners or else you wont be able to benefit from this stuff as much in the future.[/quote]

Exactly, if you decide to take something take one thing at a time, don’t just buy a ton of stuff then ask if its any good.

If you think you want to try something, get online and get the supp facts and research the active ingredient, see what the supp company says/people that have used it/and if there is any substantial research done in outside labs.

Also with some of those you listed are so hormonal you’d need to run a PCT afterward so you don’t rebound and grow some tits! Do you know about PCT?

Hell start off with some TRIBEX or Alpha Male for a month and see how much of a difference that is, then if it isn’t what you want go to the next step. But start low and build up if you aren’t getting results.

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If the Slin was the stuff from USP Labs called P-Slin you were perfectly fine buying that. I’ve read some good reviews on that stuff.

I’d recommend Anabolic Pump from those guys but P-Slin is supposively alot better and less pills to take.

I took AP once and thought it was good stuff, it just feeds your muscles carbs that you eat after each pill and starves fat cells. The pumps are great and they are from food, not NO2 crap, so you know your muscles are in a good muscle building enviroment.