Privatization of Prisons

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]snipeout wrote:
The funniest thing about this whole thread is that everyone in favor of privatization, would never want my job. If I had 10 cents for everytime I heard anyone say “you couldn’t pay me enough to do your job” I’d already be retired. The fact of the matter is most of you want someone else to do the dirty jobs in America then bitch when you find out how much we make or our benefits are better than yours.

Here’s another one to piss you off, if I get pulled over and flash my badge 999 times out of 1000 the cop turns and heads back to his car, the one other time he tells me to slow down. Now cry me a river about how thats unfair! I also don’t pay cover at clubs and my name is written on a law enforcement officer presence list at the club.

Lets exchange on the job stories and see how much you would care to deal with my situation and me with yours. 2 guys(we’ll call them allen and alexander) jump another, slit his throat with a shank and start stomping on his chest to pump his blood out faster(make him bleed out), your options are as follows a)do nothing b) run and hide c) attempt to disarm the 2 murderers. I

f you answered anytihng other than c welcome to prison yourself for failure to act. scenario 2, inmate lopez has covered himself in his own shit and refused to move out of his cell, what do you do? nothing? run and hide? nope wrong again you HAVE to subdue inmate lopez, clean him off and get ihm the proper medical attention for the nice carving he made in his chest right before he skitzed and spread his own shit all over himself.

Corrections is far and away one of the most difficult jobs out there, mentally for sure, in 25 years on the job you will spend over 6.5 years locked up exposed to HIV, HEP B&C all sorts of shit. Could you get it done cheaper privately? of course but so could the school system if they lowered the standard to an associates degree. Would the teachers be cheaper? damn right, I have 60 misc. credits. Would they do the job, why not, how hard is it for someone with 14 years of school to tell a child, “read chapters one thru four and answer just the odd questions” then review it with the answer key.

Everyone thinks their job is hard, I would love a one week trade and see how many people wouldn’t want a raise in my job. FYI starting pay for me was 29,500 we get a step raise every year for 8 years along with cost of living, we don’t fall into 80 thou we have to wait 8 years to get there and state takes 11 years to hit 74.

I can’t just walk up to the county freeholders and ask for a raise, but on the same hand we have a 5 year contract that guarantees us a raise until we bargain a new one. If there weren’t so many of you people committing crimes, big or small maybe I would make less or there would be less of me.

You all hate law enforcement until you need them, then we’re your best friends. You’re getting your ass kicked by 3 guys I draw down to stop them, then I’m your best friend. Keep in mind I’m bound to act 24/7, I can’t pass even an accident on the side of the road if there is no cop on scene, even if I’m on my way to the gym or on my way out.[/quote]

Props to you officer and thank you for keeping my wife and i safer.

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I lied when I said this was my last post, THANK YOU for all your support GREGUS, it means ALOT!

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I was counting posters, not posts, sorry I thought you could figure it out. Harline was supposed to be hardline. Doogie, you seem like you hate eveyone in jail or prison. Like eveyone in there is a baby-raping murderer and if you get convicted of a crime, or arrested they should lock you up and throw away the key, and who cares what happens to you. What about county and city jails? A lot of people in there have been arrested and accused of a crime but not convicted, so some will be found innocent. Should they get treated like shit just because the police or the DA think they may have commited a crime? Who cares right? They’re all just scum to you and you’ll never be in that position right? There are a lot of aspects to look at and I don’t really care about the testimony you posted. Looking at the source I suspect it might be showing facts and not others to look like privitization is great, but I don’t know if the guy has an agenda or not.

There are good ones and bad ones and some compare favorably and some don’t. County, state and Federal prisons differ greatly also, so it’s all kind of an averge. Here in Colorado it seems that the private ones are not doing as good. Overall there aren’t even close to as many private prisons so it’s hard to say what it will be like if they operated a large share of them, but I think it would be pretty bad. One aspect not addressed is when private prisons with facilities all over, try to save money and maxamize space by sending prisoners to different states and putting prisoners in innapropriate facilities. I have heard of prioners escaping and commiting crimes and injuring staff and other inmates because they were not in correct custody and I have heard of prisoners rioting because they were shipped away from their families and put in poorer conditions. I know the federal system puts people in other states and these problems happen in government facilities, but I tend to think they are going to happen more often if profit is the main concern in running private facilities. And you might not care if the inmates are treated to lower standers but more riots occuring over conditions is not good for anyone.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I love how much it “bothers” people when they see someone making more they feel they “deserve” to make.

It doesn’t “bother” me a bit. I am not a “hater”.

I am just smart enough to realize that when somebody makes an inordinate amount of money for the type of work they do that things are likely to change.

That is the way the economy works.

Feel free to keep applying your labels to people rather than try to understand why they may have other points of view.

You say it dosent bother you but you state that it’s an inordinate ammount of money for what he does. That means you don’t think he deserves it, you propably feel this way becuase he maes more then you. Hell he makes way more then me, but so what, it’s his life, he made his bed, he earns it, good for him.

Let me ask you one question, Do you want to spend 8 hours plus overtime in jail? This job is not a cake walk, You in friggin JAIL yourself, don’t you get that? You’re locked down in a separate cage, they can’t even go out for lunch. All this and you’re surrounded by such positive people you can learn from all day, they’ll have auch a nice influence on your persona that you’ll come home all smiles always looking forward to the next day at the prison errr work.

You have to be big enough to see it what it’s for.[/quote]

Inordinate means excessive. He is making far more money doing his job than has traditionally been paid for this type of work. That is why people are trying to find ways to save money.

He has a shitty job. I don’t want it. Should we pay him double because it is a shitty job? Triple? The rationale that he has a shitty job so he should make a lot of money is meaningless.

It is apparent you do not comprehend the discussion.

The discussion is, can we save money by privatizing prisons and is it worth it?

From his salary it looks like there is money to be saved.

How much does a privately run prison have to pay someone to do the same job?

How much money has to be spent on oversite to make sure that the private entity really is doing the job as well as it is currently being done?

Will the private prisons have higher occurences of negative events?

The fact that it is a shitty job is not germane to the discussion.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
I lied when I said this was my last post, THANK YOU for all your support GREGUS, it means ALOT![/quote]

Please don’t think I am criticizing you.

You seem to make a lot of money for the work you do, but I would not want to do it. More power to you for doing it.

If the state can save money it shouild be investigated. I do not know if the savings by privatizing prisons would be real or if the negatives would over rule the savings.