You’re right, Prof X. But I also imagine the innocent ones AREN’T the ones tattooing their eyeballs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
[quote]Jastd wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Stupid. Then again, it’s a given that anyone in prison doesn’t make the best life choices. [/quote]
Is this a joke that I somehow missed?[/quote]
whats there to miss? hes saying if you are a convicted criminal then you must have used poor judgement in the past, and likened their poor decision that got them into prison to the poor decision to tattoo the whites of their eyes.
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…and the 200+ prisoners that have been set free due to current DNA testing shows that a large percentage in jail do NOT deserve to be there…which is the point of the guys above you.
I know, some of you were probably raised to immediately judge someone like that regardless of the circumstances. My guess is those who aren’t virgins to knowing someone close who is incarcerated have a different outlook.
I agree, getting tats on your eyeballs is ridiculous…unless you plan to be in jail for the rest of your life.[/quote]
Is there anything that is 100% besides death? Yes there are some innocent persons in prison, but I am betting the majority are in prison due to their own bad decisions.
Those two in the video aren’t exactly the brain trust.
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I don’t even expect 100% perfection…but how many of you would go to a doctor who had 200 patients die on the table even if he did save 1 million? 200 people going to jail (some on death row) who didn’t deserve to be there is a scary number to me. It only isn’t to some of you because I guess you believe it could never happen to you. Some of those guys had been in jail since the 70’s. That fucking sucks.[/quote]
I don’t find your scenario at all comparable. And really, folks go into surgery with some high percentages of death rate risk, so… . really … not a good comparison.
It does suck and I acknowledge that it has and will happen. But it doesn’t mean the majority of people in prison are innocent.
What’s your solution?
seeing as how this really isn’t the topic why not go really off topic.
I hate that prisoners have the internet when there are some schools that don’t have the internet.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
[quote]Jastd wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Stupid. Then again, it’s a given that anyone in prison doesn’t make the best life choices. [/quote]
Is this a joke that I somehow missed?[/quote]
whats there to miss? hes saying if you are a convicted criminal then you must have used poor judgement in the past, and likened their poor decision that got them into prison to the poor decision to tattoo the whites of their eyes.
[/quote]
…and the 200+ prisoners that have been set free due to current DNA testing shows that a large percentage in jail do NOT deserve to be there…which is the point of the guys above you.
I know, some of you were probably raised to immediately judge someone like that regardless of the circumstances. My guess is those who aren’t virgins to knowing someone close who is incarcerated have a different outlook.
I agree, getting tats on your eyeballs is ridiculous…unless you plan to be in jail for the rest of your life.[/quote]
Is there anything that is 100% besides death? Yes there are some innocent persons in prison, but I am betting the majority are in prison due to their own bad decisions.
Those two in the video aren’t exactly the brain trust.
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I don’t even expect 100% perfection…but how many of you would go to a doctor who had 200 patients die on the table even if he did save 1 million? 200 people going to jail (some on death row) who didn’t deserve to be there is a scary number to me. It only isn’t to some of you because I guess you believe it could never happen to you. Some of those guys had been in jail since the 70’s. That fucking sucks.[/quote]
I don’t find your scenario at all comparable. And really, folks go into surgery with some high percentages of death rate risk, so… . really … not a good comparison.
It does suck and I acknowledge that it has and will happen. But it doesn’t mean the majority of people in prison are innocent.
What’s your solution?
seeing as how this really isn’t the topic why not go really off topic.
I hate that prisoners have the internet when there are some schools that don’t have the internet.
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Please show where I wrote that the majority of people in prison are innocent? I am saying our own judicial system is clearly flawed and a large reason for that is the fact that we allow a “jury of our peers” (a group of people of questionable intelligence and/or motivation) to make the final verdict of whether someone is guilty or innocent.
My guess is, there were probably thousands if not millions of minorities convicted of crimes they were not guilty of over the last century or more and that this has only decreased since the 1950’s-1960’s, all based on the perception of the people making the final judgment.
What is the ultimate solution? I have no clue other than complete social change and a more enlightened general public that no longer judges based on appearance…which isn’t likely to happen any time soon.
I think we may be doing better now than at any point previous but I would hope no one is truly satisfied with our current state of being.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
[quote]Jastd wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Stupid. Then again, it’s a given that anyone in prison doesn’t make the best life choices. [/quote]
Is this a joke that I somehow missed?[/quote]
whats there to miss? hes saying if you are a convicted criminal then you must have used poor judgement in the past, and likened their poor decision that got them into prison to the poor decision to tattoo the whites of their eyes.
[/quote]
…and the 200+ prisoners that have been set free due to current DNA testing shows that a large percentage in jail do NOT deserve to be there…which is the point of the guys above you.
I know, some of you were probably raised to immediately judge someone like that regardless of the circumstances. My guess is those who aren’t virgins to knowing someone close who is incarcerated have a different outlook.
I agree, getting tats on your eyeballs is ridiculous…unless you plan to be in jail for the rest of your life.[/quote]
Is there anything that is 100% besides death? Yes there are some innocent persons in prison, but I am betting the majority are in prison due to their own bad decisions.
Those two in the video aren’t exactly the brain trust.
[/quote]
I don’t even expect 100% perfection…but how many of you would go to a doctor who had 200 patients die on the table even if he did save 1 million? 200 people going to jail (some on death row) who didn’t deserve to be there is a scary number to me. It only isn’t to some of you because I guess you believe it could never happen to you. Some of those guys had been in jail since the 70’s. That fucking sucks.[/quote]
I don’t find your scenario at all comparable. And really, folks go into surgery with some high percentages of death rate risk, so… . really … not a good comparison.
It does suck and I acknowledge that it has and will happen. But it doesn’t mean the majority of people in prison are innocent.
What’s your solution?
seeing as how this really isn’t the topic why not go really off topic.
I hate that prisoners have the internet when there are some schools that don’t have the internet.
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Please show where I wrote that the majority of people in prison are innocent? I am saying our own judicial system is clearly flawed and a large reason for that is the fact that we allow a “jury of our peers” (a group of people of questionable intelligence and/or motivation) to make the final verdict of whether someone is guilty or innocent.
My guess is, there were probably thousands if not millions of minorities convicted of crimes they were not guilty of over the last century or more and that this has only decreased since the 1950’s-1960’s, all based on the perception of the people making the final judgment.
What is the ultimate solution? I have no clue other than complete social change and a more enlightened general public that no longer judges based on appearance…which isn’t likely to happen any time soon.
I think we may be doing better now than at any point previous but I would hope no one is truly satisfied with our current state of being.[/quote]
Please say where I said that you stated that the majority of persons in prison were innocent. It wasn’t about you. It was in regards to why I would assume someone that had been in prison would be guilty of their crime.
I also don’t agree doing away with the jury of your peers. I’m not sure what the solution is but I don’t think that is a way towards a better solution.
It wasn’t just minorities that were convicted while innocent, women were victims also as in many instances they weren’t allowed to speak in court. But that is the past and as you stated it is better now.
Crazy that folks are stupid enough to tattoo their eyeballs huh? What would be a potential job after release with that kind of tattoo?
EDIT: and you can request a bench trial where there is no jury. There are options.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I also don’t agree doing away with the jury of your peers. I’m not sure what the solution is but I don’t think that is a way towards a better solution.
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There are alternatives: Inquisitorial system - Wikipedia
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Is there anything that is 100% besides death? Yes there are some innocent persons in prison, but I am betting the majority are in prison due to their own bad decisions.
Those two in the video aren’t exactly the brain trust.
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Well some of them broke quite stupid laws or are not very good at playing the system.
Would you also say that a woman faced with an armed rapist is also to blame for her death if she does not have sex with him “willingly”?
Is she to blame for her “bad decisions”, i.e. not bowing to every thug with a gun?
Would the situation somehow change if that thug is sent by the government?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Is there anything that is 100% besides death? Yes there are some innocent persons in prison, but I am betting the majority are in prison due to their own bad decisions.
Those two in the video aren’t exactly the brain trust.
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Well some of them broke quite stupid laws or are not very good at playing the system.
Would you also say that a woman faced with an armed rapist is also to blame for her death if she does not have sex with him “willingly”?
Is she to blame for her “bad decisions”, i.e. not bowing to every thug with a gun?
Would the situation somehow change if that thug is sent by the government?
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What??? stop it with the stupid hypotheticals. Go get your outrage on in PWI.
This thread is about prisoners tattooing their eyeballs.
We could hypothetical all day, is that addressing the tattoo situation?
Not exactly a way to blend with the outside world when released, and how hardcore is it when it seems like trendy folks are getting it done on the outside.
I know! lets all watch ‘The Shawshank Redemption’! eh?