This whole thread shows way too many people have some fantasy view of our own judicial system. Do people really believe no one in prison is innocent?
I get the feeling most of the people here have never even known someone who was incarcerated.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I get the feeling most of the people here have never even known someone who was incarcerated.[/quote]
I’d say this thread’s about 70/30 in favor of people who DO know people who’ve been in.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They would probably be more comfortable knowing about fee-fees than prison rape.
True. But they would be confused as to how an offender makes use of both. After all,we both know that prison rape is only about sexual gratification(sarcasm).
Oh please, please, please, please, tell my your special prison secrets, please…!
Kidding, kidding, Big Boss, but this does sound like it’s turning into an ego thing. You know the whole ‘how dare you speak of something only I’m privy to’ type thing. Horrible despicable things happen in prison news at 11:00.
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Come on,D…no ego here. Just having a little fun with MaxB as he knows what I’m talking about. Besides, I haven’t even bothered addressing half of the misinformed posts in this thread.
And yes,horrible things happening in prison is common knowledge…but the details,“how” and “why” are not. Nobody goes out their way to try and understand or educate themselves in that light…but then again why would they? And even if they have relatives/friends who served…I doubt that most would talk about the dirty details of prison life. If I had never worked in prisons…I would have cared less and probably make the same assumptions that most tend to make.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They would probably be more comfortable knowing about fee-fees than prison rape.
True. But they would be confused as to how an offender makes use of both. After all,we both know that prison rape is only about sexual gratification(sarcasm).
Oh please, please, please, please, tell my your special prison secrets, please…!
Kidding, kidding, Big Boss, but this does sound like it’s turning into an ego thing. You know the whole ‘how dare you speak of something only I’m privy to’ type thing. Horrible despicable things happen in prison news at 11:00.
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Come on,D…no ego here. Just having a little fun with MaxB as he knows what I’m talking about. Besides, I haven’t even bothered addressing half of the misinformed posts in this thread.
And yes,horrible things happening in prison is common knowledge…but the details,“how” and “why” are not. Nobody goes out their way to try and understand or educate themselves in that light…but then again why would they? And even if they have relatives/friends who served…I doubt that most would talk about the dirty details of prison life. If I had never worked in prisons…I would have cared less and probably make the same assumptions that most tend to make. [/quote]
Ok, fair enough, but my understanding of HclipH’s thread was rather the way the public views a consensual act viewed as rape by the law and an act of violent forcible rape. He just used ‘jail’ in his scenario of violent rape. Then you had people coming in and saying ‘what the hell you talking about Willis you don’t know a thing about prison rape, like I do I been there’ whether as a con or a guard. I think the meaning of his thread was lost in this sidetracked argument.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This whole thread shows way too many people have some fantasy view of our own judicial system. Do people really believe no one in prison is innocent?
I get the feeling most of the people here have never even known someone who was incarcerated.[/quote]
This is the main reason I get annoyed by the “Just don’t do anything wrong, and you won’t ever have to worry about it.” . Which is has been said over and over again. If they looked at the conviction rates I posted, they’d know lots of people have been arrested and spent time in jail before their bail was posted. Not too mention the other people who were convicted of crimes they didn’t even commit. It happens.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They would probably be more comfortable knowing about fee-fees than prison rape.
True. But they would be confused as to how an offender makes use of both. After all,we both know that prison rape is only about sexual gratification(sarcasm).
Oh please, please, please, please, tell my your special prison secrets, please…!
Kidding, kidding, Big Boss, but this does sound like it’s turning into an ego thing. You know the whole ‘how dare you speak of something only I’m privy to’ type thing. Horrible despicable things happen in prison news at 11:00.
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Come on,D…no ego here. Just having a little fun with MaxB as he knows what I’m talking about. Besides, I haven’t even bothered addressing half of the misinformed posts in this thread.
And yes,horrible things happening in prison is common knowledge…but the details,“how” and “why” are not. Nobody goes out their way to try and understand or educate themselves in that light…but then again why would they? And even if they have relatives/friends who served…I doubt that most would talk about the dirty details of prison life. If I had never worked in prisons…I would have cared less and probably make the same assumptions that most tend to make.
Ok, fair enough, but my understanding of HclipH’s thread was rather the way the public views a consensual act viewed as rape by the law and an act of violent forcible rape. He just used ‘jail’ in his scenario of violent rape. Then you had people coming in and saying ‘what the hell you talking about Willis you don’t know a thing about prison rape, like I do I been there’ whether as a con or a guard. I think the meaning of his thread was lost in this sidetracked argument.
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I understand…as I came in on the tail end of the thread…and we both know that no thread stays on subject for long…lol. But I do think that the side-tracked argument is an integral part of that main argument. Reason I really didn’t address it,is because there is no big consensus or model that lives up to H_clip_H’s(lol) analogy. More isolated if anything…as most people feel that a crime is a crime no matter what…and in both scenarios.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This whole thread shows way too many people have some fantasy view of our own judicial system.
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Well obviously in our state they do. That’s why they are handing out checks for 80k to wrongfully convicted offenders…and I highly suspect there are more to come.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This whole thread shows way too many people have some fantasy view of our own judicial system. Do people really believe no one in prison is innocent?
I get the feeling most of the people here have never even known someone who was incarcerated.
This is the main reason I get annoyed by the “Just don’t do anything wrong, and you won’t ever have to worry about it.” . Which is has been said over and over again. If they looked at the conviction rates I posted, they’d know lots of people have been arrested and spent time in jail before their bail was posted. Not too mention the other people who were convicted of crimes they didn’t even commit. It happens.[/quote]
That was also the retarded explanation people gave for some of the privacy issues with the Patriot Act. ‘If you don’t do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about’ is one stupid way to look at life in this country.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This whole thread shows way too many people have some fantasy view of our own judicial system.
Well obviously in our state they do. That’s why they are handing out checks for 80k to wrongfully convicted offenders…and I highly suspect there are more to come.
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Last I checked, the number freed just due to DNA testing was over 200. That means 200 people were thrown in jail for no reason and we are just now going back and retesting evidence to find them innocent.
Yeah, our judicial system is so fucking perfect.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This whole thread shows way too many people have some fantasy view of our own judicial system.
Well obviously in our state they do. That’s why they are handing out checks for 80k to wrongfully convicted offenders…and I highly suspect there are more to come.
Last I checked, the number freed just due to DNA testing was over 200. That means 200 people were thrown in jail for no reason and we are just now going back and retesting evidence to find them innocent.
Yeah, our judicial system is so fucking perfect.[/quote]
For real…I remember talking to a guy in prison and he was telling me his story of why he was locked up and him being innocent. Now keep in mind,that corrections officers are pretty much taught that a conversation with an offender is straight bullshit if it last more than a minute. I usually stuck to that to keep myself level and unbiased. But I couldn’t help but believe this guy. Lots of guys fall through the cracks…the system is definitely tainted.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I spent two weeks in jail and I didn’t get raped.
It was actually kind of like a vacation. I slept ALL day long, ate a lot of candy and beef jerky, and read two and a half Tom Clancy novels.
Jail is fucking filthy though, and it stinks. When I got out I took an hour long shower to scrub off all the jail. You can literally feel it like a ‘film’ on your skin. Gross.
Oh, and the scent of Irish Spring soap will forever remind me of Santa Ana County Jail…[/quote]
Man my cousin lives in the apartments right across from that jail! hahaaa I remember when I stayed there waking up to the palm trees and police station/jail ever morning lols.
Also I think these movies are very appropriate for this thread.
FLEECE JOHNSON The “BOOTY WARRIOR” lays it out once and for all, tells it how it is. A veteran of the prison system. No one’s word holds more weight then his.
with subtitles The Booty Warrior from Lock Up prision show - YouTube
Fleece Johnson “Booty Remix” ( I WON’T LIE, I was bangin’ my head a little to this)
Can’t forget tossing salads. With syrup or jelly? Original - YouTube
Now also remixed into a rap song. To warn others the cool way.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They would probably be more comfortable knowing about fee-fees than prison rape.
True. But they would be confused as to how an offender makes use of both. After all,we both know that prison rape is only about sexual gratification(sarcasm). [/quote]
Its nothing any one can say to convince me that rape, even prison rape isnt about sexual gratification. theres a million other ways to dominate someone besides raping them.
Conviction rates are not an accurate reflection of innocence and guilt. Some people will plead out, rather than risk getting a higher sentence. This is the strategy used by the Feds, who have a conviction rate of about 96%. They do not win 96 times out of 100, they just don’t lose 96 times out of 100.
For example, I was given a sentencing range of probation-10 yrs, because it was my first offense, no violence, victims, or weapons, I was able to plead out at 2.5 yrs. Technically I was convicted, but not because I went to trial and lost. If I went to trial and lost (which I would have), the Feds would seek the most amount of time and I would not have returned home until November 2012, rather than come home in May 2006.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Its nothing any one can say to convince me that rape, even prison rape isnt about sexual gratification. theres a million other ways to dominate someone besides raping them.
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And yet none would inflict the long-term psychological damage of a sexual violation. It’s the ultimate act of power: the rapist is telling you that they can, quite literally, fuck with you whenever you want.
He is showing that you are their property, to use as they please. You are no longer human, just a commodity.
You can recover from a severe beating. The rape would stay with you long, long after the assault is over.
[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
OMG! Read what DianaB wrote. Its not rape if it wasn’t forced on her.
So, NO its still not rape IMO no matter how you twist and turn it. AND its not even like the guy asked her to have sex, she wanted it before meeting him. Its not rape. Its consensual sex.
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I missed the part where the OP said the girl was age of consent, so in his scenario, it’s not rape.
In my post addressing you, I was working under the assumption that she was underage, in which case it would have been rape regardless of any consent according to the law.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Conviction rates are not an accurate reflection of innocence and guilt. Some people will plead out, rather than risk getting a higher sentence. This is the strategy used by the Feds, who have a conviction rate of about 96%. They do not win 96 times out of 100, they just don’t lose 96 times out of 100.
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That wasn’t my point. I understand that can plead out to a lesser offense and it will lead to a conviction. My point is that not everyone arrested who spent time in jail was guilty or convicted. That’s something you can take away from the conviction rate.
I’ve been arrested before and had charges dropped in court because I was innocent. If it were a more serious crime and I didn’t have the bail money, I’d be in jail until the trial. Even though I did nothing wrong. Believe or it or not, it’s not so unthinkable to be jailed without actually committing a crime. Especially if you’re poor and don’t have the means to post bail.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Conviction rates are not an accurate reflection of innocence and guilt. Some people will plead out, rather than risk getting a higher sentence. This is the strategy used by the Feds, who have a conviction rate of about 96%. They do not win 96 times out of 100, they just don’t lose 96 times out of 100.
That wasn’t my point. I understand that can plead out to a lesser offense and it will lead to a conviction. My point is that not everyone arrested who spent time in jail was guilty or convicted. That’s something you can take away from the conviction rate.
I’ve been arrested before and had charges dropped in court because I was innocent. If it were a more serious crime and I didn’t have the bail money, I’d be in jail until the trial. Even though I did nothing wrong. Believe or it or not, it’s not so unthinkable to be jailed without actually committing a crime. Especially if you’re poor and don’t have the means to post bail.
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To many people have these words go in one ear and out the other “You have the right to remain silent”. I liked those videos shown the other day talking about your rights and the power of our 5th Amendment!
[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
Bottom line is this…
If you cant take it in the ass, dont do crime. No matter how “good” the boy is in that second scenario, he went along with it and didnt try to stop the car theft. IMO, anyone who is dumb enough to let themselves be caught should get a wiener in the ass. “If you cant do the time…”
The punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Someone caught with a bag of pot or joy riding doesn’t deserved to get raped.
Its fuckin prison/jail. WTF do you expect? Plus the chick on the first scenario wasnt raped. She wanted the shit to happen thats why its called CONSENSUAL.
This is idiotic for 2 reasons.
#1 Just because you’ve been sent to jail does not mean you deserved to be raped. People go to jail for not paying tickets they didn’t even know about.
#2 Ever hear of something called statutory rape?
The punishment doesnt fit the crime? True. But its prison man. You expect to get a cake for getting jailed? Thats why we have laws to abide. The more you follow those, lesser the chance of you being fucked in the ass in jail. The world is a cruel place to live in. Its jail, again what do you expect?
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I expect my government to protect the people it locks up.
They seem to be able to do that, as are most other civilized nations.
[quote]orion wrote:
I expect my government to protect the people it locks up.
They seem to be able to do that, as are most other civilized nations.
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What’s the ethnic makeup of your prisons like?
[quote]orion wrote:
I expect my government to protect the people it locks up.
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How do you propose they do that? More condoms?
The judicial system exists primarily to separate the public from the offenders. Protection of the inmates is a secondary concern. In the past, many innocent people have been punished for somebody else’s offences.
Nobody gives a shit about them. There is no government on the planet that can guarantee the safety of somebody that, for whatever reason, offends enough to be sent to jail.
Hell, they can’t even guarantee the safety of law-abiding citizens. If they could, there would be no need for prisons in the first place…and nobody would be locked up for crimes they didn’t commit.