Umm, this is an open forum where people are free to ask questions, its in its nature to express personal opinions, experiences etc…
As for injection “pain” - it is not the pain that i object to. Its the inability to train at my full potential. I have no experience with AAS, so i was wanting to know if this is something to be aware of.
Not sure how you’re calculating hundreds of dollars of medical consultation, but i would hope at least those reading and participating in this thread enjoyed the discussion as well as me.
And yes, please, save your condescension “doctornorm.” If you re-read these posts, you will see me expressing my thanks to the posters countless time. Start on pg 1.
Everything seems to work better with a little test. Some of us are sensitive to T to E conversion. For those individuals, and if SERMs and AIs are to be avoided, Use of 200-300 mg of test can really get things rolling without causing a shit storm of estrogen side effects. Primo is hard to get and is the most counterfeited AAS on the market.
So, unless you are certain you have a legit source I would move to deca, NPP or equipoise as your primary anabolic compound. If you want to stick with primo and Anavar I would do this:
Test C or E 250 mg/w
Primo 500 mg/w
Anavar 30 mg/d
This for 8 weeks. Then replace the Primo with equipoise, NPP or Deca. That’s it.
Hey! Sub-q - why are you guys not telling me this? I’m a n00b
Like why not just side step the fear of pralyising cramps by shooting the test sub-q? I’ve shot shit sub-q before, no pain - wasn’t test tho.
I mean if i’m running such low dose test (200-300mg) plus orals, then i see no problems here. I’d do 0.5ml shots into me belly daily or something (haven’t calculated this, just throwing it out there) and neck the Anavar and maybe another oral (tren maybe as suggested above).
This should give me appreciable strength gains, not too much weight, and keep libido and everythign else in check.
You stated on more than one occasion that you are concerned with Androgenic side effects and now you want to run Test and Methylttienolone? Fuck man you need to make decisions for yourself here.
Methyltrienolone is the most potent steroid out there (it is dosed in micrograms). It is HIGHLY androgenic and highly toxic, and IS not to be taken lightly at all.
I doubt i will ever use it - i find Anadrol to be highly androgenic (swells my prostate, and i am under 30) and AFAIK MethylTrienolone is worse.
To jump from Test and Var to Test and Methyltrienolone is quite a change (let alone actually starting with Primo and Var to avoid ANY androgenic side effects) - they are not comparable cycles.
The last piece of advice i am going to give to this ClusterFuck of a thread is this:
Just because someone who knows more than you do about steroids mentions a drug - that is NOT a personal recommendation to use it.
You have read just enough yet just too little, which has led to you possessing a dangerous amount of knowledge. You are at a point where a little knowledge is worse than none at all.
It is not wise to blindly follow the vague suggestion of a total stranger - even if it is Cortes (was it?).
Now - you should read and learn about the steroids that interest you. Decide which ones may be suited to you… because as it is, you have picked two steroids that are absolute opposite ends of the spectrum, in the same thread!
duuuuuuuuuude, i am NOT goint to run that drug! The dude above was insistent that its DA BOMB for MMA, i haven’t even begun my research on it. I just said it cos the dude said it. Having researched it this afternoon, there’s no way.
So anyway, sub-q test injections?
(cos i’m pretty sure its gonna be low test and high Anavar my cycle, or poss two orals, not decided yet fully - which will be fully inline with my objectives at the start of this thread)
This is what i’m going to do, btw, just in case you are wondering:
Test p (sub-q) - 250mg/wk
Anavar - 75mg/d
2wks on 2 off x 3 cycles
HCG, AI, SERM as needed, still working on dosages for these. Oh and thinking thworing in Proviron during cycle, but will have to monitor androgenic effects carefully.
Why sub-Q? Test prop at 100mg/ml means you have to use 2.5ml per week to reach 250mg/w. 2.5ml/w sub-q is 0.36ml/d if you do it that frequently. Test prop IM is recommended dosed every day. Sub-Q will make for slower absorption. I would go with IM 0.36ml/d. You can do quads with a 50cc slin pin and then ventro glutes with a 1ml syringe and 1 to 1.5" needle and the same for glutes. That gives you six sites to rotate between.
sub-q to avoid test props effects on limping for 2 days when injected into the thighs, if you see what i meean.
I’ve read two university studies on TRT patients using sub-q into abdomen using Test P and it seems the preferred method for that and in terms of stable blood levels of test it seems the same as IM. Only proviso is that you stay below 0.5ml per injection, which is fine for my purposes.
Also i’ve read anecdotal stuff on various forums today of guys getting good results from it, so all in all i think this is the way to go.
Until/unless i go higher doses and run “proper” cycles. If you see what i mean.
