I like NPP. I don’t tend to balloon up as much, but with the faster-acting ester, the mental sides — and even the classic “deca dick” — can hit some people harder compared to DECA. Like Paul Barnett says, it’s really just spinning the wheel of side effects when it comes to NPP or DECA.
For me, low-dose DECA actually gave my libido a boost, but I noticed that creeping rumination and sulking mood start to show up. With NPP, I didn’t get that same emotional drag, but around the 2.5 to 3-week mark, I definitely started feeling more irritable and short-tempered. The upside with NPP is that if you do experience sides, they tend to clear up quickly once you stop — unlike DECA, which can hang around for weeks.
Just a caveat — not sure if it’s placebo, but both NPP and DECA noticeably helped my joints, even at low doses. Something to keep in mind if you’re dealing with aches or wear-and-tear.
As for your current cycle — if your bloodwork looks solid, keep doing what you’re doing. The main things I’d watch are your lipid profile and any potential drops in estrogen. That said, I know plenty of guys who’ve run Primo long-term with no major issues.
On the estrogen front, I’ve talked to quite a few people who said EQ absolutely tanked their E levels, which could explain the anxiety that some report when using it (That’s my theory, but I don’t know shit)
Bottom line: if it’s working and your labs are clean, carry on — just monitor lipids and E2 closely.
Yep, like I mentioned — NPP doesn’t make me feel like a bloated water buffalo. Even low doses of DECA had me puffed up.
Interestingly, NPP is actually an older compound than DECA. In early studies, it was reportedly set aside due to concerns that the esterase activity wasn’t sufficient or that its shorter half-life limited its pharmacokinetic effectiveness. Researchers believed a longer-acting ester might be needed for the full therapeutic effects of DHN to manifest — which ultimately led Organon to develop DECA (nandrolone decanoate) instead.
I’m done with DECA — I won’t touch it again. I just feel way better on NPP, even if it might all be placebo.
@Singhbuilder@juice20jd — Also worth noting: at one point, manufacturers actually stopped producing DECA but continued with NPP. From what I was told, this was a while back, so I’m not sure if that’s still the case. The crackdown on Chinese raw suppliers — especially those tied to labs producing things like fentanyl — really disrupted the pipeline for a lot of compounds. Masteron, in particular, has become a pain to find or buy lately.
Damn, brother… really hope you’re on the mend. Heart attacks are no joke.
Fortunately — or by the grace of God — my heart’s one of the few things still going strong. Everything that’s broken/takes a beating is upstairs in the brain housing group .
They sell nitazenes now lol, although I imagine those (and analogues) will be banned as most are more potent and longer lasting than fentanyl and associated analogues.
I saw a few crazy reports (like alerts from the government) of club drugs here being laced with protonitazene which I can only think would be related to accidental cross-contamination during a manufacturing process. Think a tiny speck gets into a batch that was unintended. All it would take is like a grain of salts worth to kill a smaller person.
You can get monoclonal antibodies (myostatin inhibitors) from certain labs (the ones that work according to recent clinical trials) if you’ve got an extra 10k or so lying around and have access to a freezer that goes down to -80 degrees celcius!
Tacojitzu… are you a BJJ practitioner? Or MMA, as you’ve mentioned “brain taking a beating”
I should also add with the Chinese suppliers shipping out things like fentanyl, isonitazene, protonitazene and others without import permits obtained from companies overseas… I believe it’s almost certainly done on purpose as a means to sew the seeds of dysregulation within the west. Heroin exists, but a lot of these drugs being shipped out are a lot worse (as despite conventional knowledge… heroin is just a painkiller, one of the more habit forming ones but it’s no different from say hydromorphone in that regard) and we saw what happened when fentanyl addiction hit America…
I do believe China is doing this on purpose. The steroids? That’s making money… the synthesis of hyper addictive, uber potent opiates that cross the blood brain barrier faster than heroin and last longer on a mass importation scale to western countries (I wonder if Chinese authorities allow a bunch of nitazenes to leech out into their own communities! NO… they wouldn’t)
Oh yea, a zillion drugs can do that… or if you accidentally combine the wrong drugs… You need to be unreasonably careful from now on lol
Open up webmd every time you get a prescription… whenever combining two different prescription drugs lol
I know someone who went into cardiac arrest twice and had a prolonged QT interval. He is fine now, he had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (congenital/genetic)
Yeah… I’ve been training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu non-stop for a little over 8 years. Between that, my time in the service, multiple concussions, and Complex PTSD, my brain’s definitely taken a beating.
Haven’t chained that profile pic since I was around 19 as a testament to how awesome that album is
That song “pull the plug” was way before its time (lyrics)… and the band sort of pioneered what death metal AND melodic death metal as a genre was
What belt are you? Assuming late purple or brown/black depending on how strict your instructor is and how talented you are lol. Not that belts matter but if someone can say “yeah I’m a purple/brown/black belt in BJJ” it’s sort of a huge flex for anyone who knows what BJJ is lol
We all hear those mythical stories of the D1 wrestler waltzing in as a “white belt”. My family friend is thst guy… so good he was astoundingly close to being in the commonwealth games for wrestling
Has competed all over the world but occasionally he will do a BJJ comp (in Aus there is no division one/two/three), smile and say “I’m a white belt!” But he can beat just about any black belt in a pure wrestling match, and will give most competitive blues and even some purples a run for their money in jitz as he DOES know some BJJ because he trains it like once a week (like three stripe white belt level sub knowledge) and can avoid getting guillotined when shooting in for a takedown
He will be on top for 95% of the match… he has been wrestling for 12-15 years
I find the idea of him competing as a white belt hilarious but it’s also EXTREME , extreme, extreme sandbagging. It’d be like entering a blue belt comp and habing Khabib nurgamenedov as the opponent
Recently ruptured his Achilles tendon so I think his competitive career is over (ruptured up aroind calf so much harder to operate on)
Definitely a salty purple belt—just the way I like it. I’ve been into metal since I was 7 (I’m 44 now), and lately I’ve been cranking a lot of Pestilence and Obituary.
My coach is also a good friend of mine. He’s old-school Brazilian, and while we’re primarily a Luta Livre gym, we split our training pretty evenly—about 50/50 between no-gi and gi. We’ve got a running joke at our academy: when someone leaves, they usually get promoted at their new school within 3–6 months. It’s not that we hold people back exactly… but there’s definitely some truth to it. Our crew is tough, gritty, and we bring serious intensity. When we train, we don’t shy away from anyone—and no one’s whining about it either. We don’t take ourselves too seriously—unless the moment calls for it.
I’m ready to scrap with anyone, anytime. Some folks can’t handle our environment and mentality—we’re like a pirate ship
What about getting rid of the Tbol and adding Anavar?
50mg Test Prop/wk
50mg Test E/wk
750mg Primo/wk
100mg Mast/wk
30mg Tbol/day
No nolva, no AI
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50mg Test Prop/wk
50mg Test E/wk
750mg Primo/wk
100mg Mast/wk
50mg Anavar/day
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It’s submission grappling… roots in catch wrestling and judo.