Priest Hires Hit Man

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Lol @ being special. I haven’t been special since the first grade. >>>[/quote]And just how were you special in the first grade young man?[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< I don’t accept prejudice either, even if it doesn’t hurt my feelings, I have no problem checking someone’s behavior with physical reprimand.[/quote]I hope you don’t mean this how it sounds. I know you know Jesus Himself commanded non reprisal when persecuted “for the son of man’s sake”.

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1st grade, I just thought I was the king of the world.

How does it sound? And, explain this this non reprisal (I’ll look up the word).[/quote]It sounds at least like you’re advocating puttin a thumpin on somebody for persecuting you. I’m not assuming. I’m saying that’s what it sounds like. Reprisal was my word. I was to referring to this for instance. Matthew 5:38-47

[quote]38-You have heard that it was said, “AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.” 39-But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40-If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41-Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42-Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

  43-You have heard that it was said, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy." 44-But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45-so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46-For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47-If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?[/quote]
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Perhaps he means the famous ruler whack on the knuckles by a nun…or a paddle on a naughty boys bare bum-bum. A friend once told me she had to kneel on hard rice in the corner for talking in class.

Of course, things used to be much much worse.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
What you mentioned above sounds like neither.

I sure hope you weren’t “punishing” people for their attitudes toward you, and that “self defense” means they physically assulted you first.

If not, something is wrong here… [/quote]I am called to endure whatever comes my way if it’s a testimony for Christ’s name. ANYTHING. If some one is calling me Jesus freak and pounding me with a bat I am to resist resisting as a witness to his grace. If someone breaks into my house and threatens my family because he’s a violent lowlife and just wants to rob us he gets the righteous sentence of 00 magnum buckshot in the chest in Jesus name.

UNLESS, I am clearly led in that moment to turn even that instance into a witness for the gospel which could happen, but would have to be very clear.

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Self-defense.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

I am called to endure whatever comes my way if it’s a testimony for Christ’s name. ANYTHING. If some one is calling me Jesus freak and pounding me with a bat I am to resist resisting as a witness to his grace. If someone breaks into my house and threatens my family because he’s a violent lowlife and just wants to rob us he gets the righteous sentence of 00 magnum buckshot in the chest in Jesus name.

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Tirib, can I ask why the difference in response with those 2 scenarios?[/quote]Why certainly.
The former is suffering for the love of Jesus and the latter is simple victimization. One guy hates me for loving the Lord and one couldn’t care less and simply wants to hurt my family and steal my money. I am also commissioned to protect the people committed to my care.

However, as I say. I could envision circumstances wherein I was led by the Spirit even in the latter case to use it as a testimony. Maybe they see a bible laying around and make a comment. Maybe as I’m telling them I’m giving them one chance to comply with my orders or I will reluctantly send them into eternity without Jesus an opportunity arises. Maybe not.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Self-defense.[/quote]

Is it truly “self-defense” if they are persecuting you truly for the purpose of your beliefs alone?

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[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Self-defense.[/quote]

Is it truly “self-defense” if they are persecuting you truly for the purpose of your beliefs alone?[/quote]

Yes, I am defending myself.

The Catholic martyrs in Pakistan recently was a tragedy, that I hope will turn into some kind of comedy. And, I have no problem dying for my beliefs. But, if I had my pistol on my hip and someone asked me to renounce my belief in Jesus and his Church and if I didn’t they’d kill me, then so be it; however, I wouldn’t hesitate to put them into the ground if I could.

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http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2010/12/in-abuse-case-first-state-jury-awards.html

Case of man taken out of the clergy at the first allegation.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2010/12/in-abuse-case-first-state-jury-awards.html

Case of man taken out of the clergy at the first allegation.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m being overly critical, skeptical, or pessimistic, but I find the honesty of this church difficult to believe:

[quote]

Opened in 2007, the two-year “window” period saw over 140 claims levied against the diocese of Wilmington – more than enough to force the 250,000-member First State church into Chapter 11 bankruptcy late last year.
[…]

Said to have molested the defendant in the civil-suit more than 100 times from 1966-68, DeLuca was permanently removed from ministry in 1993 when a first allegation was received by the Wilmington church.

While several more victims were subsequently discovered – nearly a dozen others have filed claims citing abuse by DeLuca – with his faculties stripped and as the criminal statutes of limitation left no recourse to the authorities, the suspended cleric left Delaware for his hometown of Syracuse.

In 2007, he pled guilty in a New York court to five misdemeanor counts of abusing a pre-teen boy earlier in the decade and was sentenced to 60 days in prison. DeLuca was laicized in August 2008.[/quote]

140 claims decades later against the church, molesting the same child over 100 times, multiple other victims… yet they “only” learned about it with the “first” allegation in 1993? Sorry mate, I’m not buying it. Even if they didn’t know (which I doubt) they should have.

Perhaps this case needs a Jon Stewart “team stupid” vs “team evil” skit?

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2010/12/in-abuse-case-first-state-jury-awards.html

Case of man taken out of the clergy at the first allegation.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m being overly critical, skeptical, or pessimistic, but I find the honesty of this church difficult to believe:

[quote]

Opened in 2007, the two-year “window” period saw over 140 claims levied against the diocese of Wilmington – more than enough to force the 250,000-member First State church into Chapter 11 bankruptcy late last year.
[…]

Said to have molested the defendant in the civil-suit more than 100 times from 1966-68, DeLuca was permanently removed from ministry in 1993 when a first allegation was received by the Wilmington church.

While several more victims were subsequently discovered – nearly a dozen others have filed claims citing abuse by DeLuca – with his faculties stripped and as the criminal statutes of limitation left no recourse to the authorities, the suspended cleric left Delaware for his hometown of Syracuse.

In 2007, he pled guilty in a New York court to five misdemeanor counts of abusing a pre-teen boy earlier in the decade and was sentenced to 60 days in prison. DeLuca was laicized in August 2008.[/quote]

140 claims decades later against the church, molesting the same child over 100 times, multiple other victims… yet they “only” learned about it with the “first” allegation in 1993? Sorry mate, I’m not buying it. Even if they didn’t know (which I doubt) they should have.

Perhaps this case needs a Jon Stewart “team stupid” vs “team evil” skit? [/quote]

Skeptic. How would they know if no one reported it? That doesn’t make sense.

And, for all the people that bash the current Pope for doing nothing:

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/new-evidence-cardinal-ratzinger-sought-swift-action-against-abusive-priests/

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2010/12/in-abuse-case-first-state-jury-awards.html

Case of man taken out of the clergy at the first allegation.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m being overly critical, skeptical, or pessimistic, but I find the honesty of this church difficult to believe:

[quote]

Opened in 2007, the two-year “window” period saw over 140 claims levied against the diocese of Wilmington – more than enough to force the 250,000-member First State church into Chapter 11 bankruptcy late last year.
[…]

Said to have molested the defendant in the civil-suit more than 100 times from 1966-68, DeLuca was permanently removed from ministry in 1993 when a first allegation was received by the Wilmington church.

While several more victims were subsequently discovered – nearly a dozen others have filed claims citing abuse by DeLuca – with his faculties stripped and as the criminal statutes of limitation left no recourse to the authorities, the suspended cleric left Delaware for his hometown of Syracuse.

In 2007, he pled guilty in a New York court to five misdemeanor counts of abusing a pre-teen boy earlier in the decade and was sentenced to 60 days in prison. DeLuca was laicized in August 2008.[/quote]

140 claims decades later against the church, molesting the same child over 100 times, multiple other victims… yet they “only” learned about it with the “first” allegation in 1993? Sorry mate, I’m not buying it. Even if they didn’t know (which I doubt) they should have.

Perhaps this case needs a Jon Stewart “team stupid” vs “team evil” skit? [/quote]

Skeptic. How would they know if no one reported it? That doesn’t make sense.

And, for all the people that bash the current Pope for doing nothing:

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/new-evidence-cardinal-ratzinger-sought-swift-action-against-abusive-priests/[/quote]

Gotta agree. Is there any evidence that even the parents knew?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Skeptic. How would they know if no one reported it? That doesn’t make sense.[/quote]

Of course I’m skeptical. We’re dealing with a worldwide conspiracy to protect child molesters. If it were not the church, I firmly believe you would share in the skepticism.

Further, are you honestly asking me how a truly holy church would learn that one of it members was suffering from abuse? I could think of a thousand ways, and so could you. If this were an isolated case, you might have a point, but it’s not. It’s not even isolated within the diocese of Wilmington.

[quote] And, for all the people that bash the current Pope for doing nothing:

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/new-evidence-cardinal-ratzinger-sought-swift-action-against-abusive-priests/[/quote]

I don’t think there are many who “bash” him for “doing nothing.” But there are millions who “bash” him for “not doing enough.” This “evidence” here does not specifically mention child abuse, but it does seem to strongly hint that the upper echelons of the church knew about it. It is no smoking gun, but if you’re trying to use it as evidence that the pope was “doing something about it” (Note: these are your words) then you are admitting that, way back in '88, the upper echelons of the church knew about it. I pray you are mistaken.

Bluntly, I think the highest levels of scrutiny and skepticism SHOULD be used. We are talking about some of the most horrific acts imaginable and a worldwide cover-up.

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I don’t like any person who wants you to take something of ‘faith’. Any used car salesman uses that pitch.

You either know God or you don’t (I do.)

Its no wonder religion is a blight on humanity; it tells you to shut off your critical faculties and believe someone’s assertions. That’s a crock and most reasonable people know it.

God can only be known when HE chooses to get in touch with you.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I don’t like any person who wants you to take something of ‘faith’. Any used car salesman uses that pitch.

You either know God or you don’t (I do.)

Its no wonder religion is a blight on humanity; it tells you to shut off your critical faculties and believe someone’s assertions. That’s a crock and most reasonable people know it.

God can only be known when HE chooses to get in touch with you.[/quote]

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
<<< We’re dealing with a worldwide conspiracy to protect child molesters. >>> [/quote]It should be clear by now that I am no friend of the Vatican, but this may be a bit overstated. [quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:If it were not the church, I firmly believe you would share in the skepticism. >>>[/quote]I do think you’re right about this this though.

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My point is still valid. The pedophiles became priests because they saw an opportunity to avoid detection all while they had an untapped resource. Then they were not found for various reasons. Was it justifiable?? Of course not. Was it an honest mistake?? I have to go with my gut and say it is. Why is the whole church bad because of something horrendous done by a few??

Kind of like saying ALL muslims are evil because AMERICA were bombed on 9/11. I say look in the mirror before you preach about others and their faults. However that is just the opinion of a guy with a head injury.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I don’t like any person who wants you to take something of ‘faith’. Any used car salesman uses that pitch.

You either know God or you don’t (I do.)

Its no wonder religion is a blight on humanity; it tells you to shut off your critical faculties and believe someone’s assertions. That’s a crock and most reasonable people know it.

God can only be known when HE chooses to get in touch with you.[/quote]

Hebrews 11:6.