Pride verses Racism

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]RyanBrown0311 wrote:
As you two stated that you are black, African American whatever I would think that a person who is for the most part (15/16) not black claiming African heritage would piss you off more than someone pointing out the fact. Living in South Dakota I see a lot of issues with non-natives less than 1/8 blood trying to claim they’re Native or showing Native Pride. I actually saw a guy nearly beaten to death for attending and attempting to dance at a Pow-Wow where he didn’t belong. [/quote]

Wait, someone not being 100% black should piss us off? I’m not “100% black”. Most of the black people I know are NOT “100% black”. No one gives a shit what percentage we are when they look at us. Why do you or those like you care so much what “percentage” he is?

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

Most of the “black” people in this country are mixed with several other nationalities and have been for a very long time. It is funny that all of a sudden we are worried about what ‘percentage’ people are. I wonder what brought that on?

I know…I’m red…nah…make that burnt orange(go horns!).

I really don’t know the reason…but its like people that are arguing that Obama is not black feel like they’re taking something away from someone. What’s the reason behind this childish satisfaction??

If the man is not actually black, the majority of the American people did not get what they voted for. UMMM I MEAN…

Gee, the majority of “blacks” in this country don’t trace their heritage ONLY back to Africa. That means his question still stands.

I am not sure i understand.[/quote]

Really? I had no clue that you didn’t understand. Thanks for the revelation.

It is because you don’t understand that you even made that previous post.

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[quote]RyanBrown0311 wrote:
As you two stated that you are black, African American whatever I would think that a person who is for the most part (15/16) not black claiming African heritage would piss you off more than someone pointing out the fact. Living in South Dakota I see a lot of issues with non-natives less than 1/8 blood trying to claim they’re Native or showing Native Pride. I actually saw a guy nearly beaten to death for attending and attempting to dance at a Pow-Wow where he didn’t belong. [/quote]

Who am I to say that a person is not “this” or “that?” More importantly…who are you to do the same? That is the main issue with the argument you “inadvertently” made to begin with.

I have African…Native American(yeah,I know every black person says this)…and Irish ancestry. I don’t wear Irish pride shirts come St.Patrick’s Day…nor do I celebrate Kwanza…nor do I try to gain acknowledgment by Alabama-Coushatta Tribe.

And with that said…when a person that doesn’t know me from Adam looks at me…what are the odds that I will be called a “black guy?” Will I be offended? No. Are they right? “Yes”…and “No.”

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no that is not what I said, stop trying so hard to be angry and read, and what do you mean “Why do you or those like you” who are you to judge me and classify me when you just berated me for questioning someone.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

Most of the “black” people in this country are mixed with several other nationalities and have been for a very long time. It is funny that all of a sudden we are worried about what ‘percentage’ people are. I wonder what brought that on?

I know…I’m red…nah…make that burnt orange(go horns!).

I really don’t know the reason…but its like people that are arguing that Obama is not black feel like they’re taking something away from someone. What’s the reason behind this childish satisfaction??

If the man is not actually black, the majority of the American people did not get what they voted for. UMMM I MEAN…

Gee, the majority of “blacks” in this country don’t trace their heritage ONLY back to Africa. That means his question still stands.

I am not sure i understand.

Really? I had no clue that you didn’t understand. Thanks for the revelation.

It is because you don’t understand that you even made that previous post.[/quote]

Cute. I feel as though my lack of understanding actually resulted from the nature of your post…being completely unrelated to my post.

Edit: the fact of the matter is, whether anyone wants to admit it, Obama got elected to his position because of the color of his skin, not his substance, by any means.

I have a distinct feeling that if the majority of the American population had even the slightest inkling of how not black Obama is, the result would have been very different.

and don’t get me wrong, i love black people. I mean, i really do, even though they snicker and sneer at me all the time, calling me cracker and white trash.

I would LOVE to have a black president, if he were a tried and true conservative. Unlike most of Americans, i prefer substance over pigment or lack therof.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
If the man is not actually black, the majority of the American people did not get what they voted for. UMMM I MEAN…

If we had McCain as president elect,you would still be singing the same song…just a different tune. And NO ONE would care how “black” anyone was if that were the case.

What does that even mean?[/quote]

Ok,race/color bullshit aside…if McCain had won,a majority of Americans would still not be getting what they voted for. Especially considering how people didn’t necessarily vote for McCain…just against Obama. People really didn’t like McCain no more than Obama.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
If the man is not actually black, the majority of the American people did not get what they voted for. UMMM I MEAN…

If we had McCain as president elect,you would still be singing the same song…just a different tune. And NO ONE would care how “black” anyone was if that were the case.

What does that even mean?

Ok,race/color bullshit aside…if McCain had won,a majority of Americans would still not be getting what they voted for. Especially considering how people didn’t necessarily vote for McCain…just against Obama. People really didn’t like McCain no more than Obama.

[/quote]

ahh well, if I read you correctly, that statement is indeed something that i can concurr with.

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[quote]streamline wrote:
Why do so many people view Black Pride as racism. Blacks have had to fight for everything they have gained. [/quote]

Your opening premise is wrong. My great-grandfather has the discharge from the Union Army to prove it.

Then, the moral code of Americans caused the elimination of racism as national policy. You can’t say ‘All men are created equal…’ and have slavery and discrimation. It was our adherence to our morality which gave an equal chance to people of ALL colors and creeds.

What have black people done with the opportunities afforded them? A 50% high school dropout rate and having 8 kids by 8 different women kind of speak volumes here.

Now, this has nothing to do with race. I have no problem with race but with black culture. Ghetto dialects don’t lead to good jobs. Anti-intellectualism (ex: attacking fellow students who actually try to succeed) of the highest order is rife in the black community. Lack of responsibility wrt sex and family is also rife.

Until black people in general value education, hard work, responsibility, and stop letting cretins like Obama trick them, they are doomed to be an underclass in this society.

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[quote]RyanBrown0311 wrote:
Yes Technically he is part African American however that would be the smallest part of his heritage.
1st off get one thing straight Obama is not black, or more the point African, yes his father worked for the Kenyan Govt. and he lived there for a min or two before being rushed off to Hawaii to live with his White Grand parents. His Father is 7/8 Arab and 1/8 African negro according to his birth certificate. so doing the math with Moms being 100% white and dad 1/8 “black” and 7/8 Arabic Obama would be 1/2 White, 7/16 Arab and 1/16 “Black” Calling Obama black is like calling a lemon an orange because it’s part citrus. At only 1/16 blood most native American Indian tribes won’t let you claim to be a member.
But since you can’t dispute my statements with any fact you will now continue to argue over words, meanings and context. I did not mean to offend by typing “black” it is simply easier to type than African Negro which is the International standard term for a person with true African heritage. Look at any passport or birth certificate for a person fitting that description.[/quote]

Interesting…and black people were dancing in the streets when Obama won, proclaiming : “One of our own finally made it!” …and he’s mostly white and Arab. Hilarious!!

I bet he gets a heavy dose of make-up before being seen in public. One of these days, a pic of him without being all darkened up by make-up will surface and he’ll look like an Iranian. LOL!

Ah, those Chicago politicians…

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Just because the Native American Indian community may not accept someone with a convoluted heritage doesn’t mean that the black community won’t . They are a different group with their own history and traditions and while some of their experiences may be similar, their history is not equal. Why should the black community have the same standards for accepting one as their own as the Native American Indian community?

Even if the percentages are correct and Obama is only 1/16 “true” black African heritage, his experience as an American has been 100% as a black man. He has spent his entire life living as and being categorized by our society as a black man. If the black community accepts him and if his entire life experience has been as that of a black man, why would I acknowledge him as anything else.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

[/quote]
You’re not? I’ll be in Texas 'round Super Bowl time. You wanna check out some country-western bars, maybe swing up to Crawford for a Rodeo, perhaps catch some NASCAR?

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
RyanBrown0311 wrote:
I don’t wear Irish pride shirts come St.Patrick’s Day…nor do I celebrate Kwanza…nor do I try to gain acknowledgment by Alabama-Coushatta Tribe.
[/quote]

and why not? I’d pay a little bit to get a picture of you on St. Pattie’s day with a “Kiss me, brother, I’m Irish” T-shirt
FUBU brand only of course.

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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

You’re not? I’ll be in Texas 'round Super Bowl time. You wanna check out some country-western bars, maybe swing up to Crawford for a Rodeo, perhaps catch some NASCAR?
[/quote]

DUDE, it takes time to get adjusted. Cut me some slack! I just walked down the street and no one locked their doors as I walked by. I am still in shock. I went to a convenience store run by Koreans and…get this…I was NOT followed around the store!!! I know!! I woke up this morning and all of my jeans were super tight and I had a dresser drawer FILLED with big ass belt buckles shaped like the state of Texas…and this girl I know suddenly has NO ass.

I’m like, totally twisted over this!

Nascar may be moving too fast.

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The true test of blackness is how well you dance though.

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[quote]Christine wrote:
The true test of blackness is how well you dance though.[/quote]

FUCK!!! That’s gone too!!!

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[quote]Christine wrote:

Even if the percentages are correct and Obama is only 1/16 “true” African heritage, his experience as an American has been 100% as a black man. He has spend his entire life living and being categorized by our society as a black man. If the black community accepts him and if his entire life experience has been as that of a black man, why would I acknowledge him as anything else.[/quote]

I basically agree - although certain segments of the black community raised concerns as to whether Obama was “black enough”, but that subsided.

While his life has been pretty atypical, well, for any ethnicity (private school where royalty sent their children), he is a black man.

And no one cares. The only folks who care are:

  1. Those that voted for Obama because he is black.

  2. Those that voted against Obama because he is black.

The rest of us acknowledge his race only long enough to remark how far we have come on matters of race, then ignore it and measure the man on his merits - “content of his character”, rather than color of his skin.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

You’re not? I’ll be in Texas 'round Super Bowl time. You wanna check out some country-western bars, maybe swing up to Crawford for a Rodeo, perhaps catch some NASCAR?

DUDE, it takes time to get adjusted. Cut me some slack! I just walked down the street and no one locked their doors as I walked by. I am still in shock. I went to a convenience store run by Koreans and…get this…I was NOT followed around the store!!! I know!! I woke up this morning and all of my jeans were super tight and I had a dresser drawer FILLED with big ass belt buckles shaped like the state of Texas…and this girl I know suddenly has NO ass.

I’m like, totally twisted over this!

Nascar may be moving too fast.
[/quote]

C’mon, jump in the pool!!
No more Cosby show, go back and get the Brady Bunch bunch collection.
No more soul hand shakin, it’s hi-fiving only. Practice the “you betcha’s”
No more east coast vs. west coast arguments, it’s Ford vs Chevy from now on.
starching your jeans and heavy ironing… It’s a must.
Belt buckle…? You’re on your way!!!
Did you get a key and card to the room where WE don’t let, well, you know “them people” in?

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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

You’re not? I’ll be in Texas 'round Super Bowl time. You wanna check out some country-western bars, maybe swing up to Crawford for a Rodeo, perhaps catch some NASCAR?

DUDE, it takes time to get adjusted. Cut me some slack! I just walked down the street and no one locked their doors as I walked by. I am still in shock. I went to a convenience store run by Koreans and…get this…I was NOT followed around the store!!! I know!! I woke up this morning and all of my jeans were super tight and I had a dresser drawer FILLED with big ass belt buckles shaped like the state of Texas…and this girl I know suddenly has NO ass.

I’m like, totally twisted over this!

Nascar may be moving too fast.

C’mon, jump in the pool!!
No more Cosby show, go back and get the Brady Bunch bunch collection.
No more soul hand shakin, it’s hi-fiving only. Practice the “you betcha’s”
No more east coast vs. west coast arguments, it’s Ford vs Chevy from now on.
starching your jeans and heavy ironing… It’s a must.
Belt buckle…? You’re on your way!!!
Did you get a key and card to the room where WE don’t let, well, you know “them people” in?

[/quote]

Hey…my credit score just went up!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

Most of the “black” people in this country are mixed with several other nationalities and have been for a very long time. It is funny that all of a sudden we are worried about what ‘percentage’ people are. I wonder what brought that on?[/quote]

It’s not all of a sudden. I’m sure you’ve heard of the “one drop rule”. That is a single drop of black blood makes a person black. Courts have termed it “traceable amount rule”.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop.html

Under that rule, Obama qualifies.

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[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Define “black” because I obviously have no clue what it means. After all…to say someone is not “black” would also require a complete understanding of what “black” means to begin with.

“I’m all ears.” :slight_smile:

Shit, I guess I’m not black either. Who knew?

Most of the “black” people in this country are mixed with several other nationalities and have been for a very long time. It is funny that all of a sudden we are worried about what ‘percentage’ people are. I wonder what brought that on?

It’s not all of a sudden. I’m sure you’ve heard of the “one drop rule”. That is a single drop of black blood makes a person black. Courts have termed it “traceable amount rule”.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop.html

Under that rule, Obama qualifies.

[/quote]

Thanks for posting that.

[quote]James Baldwin relates a revealing incident that occurred in 1956 at the Conference of Negro-African Writers and Artists held in Paris. The head of the delegation of writers and artists from the United States was John Davis. The French chairperson introduced Davis and then asked him why he considered himself Negro, since he certainly did not look like one. Baldwin wrote, “He is a Negro, of course, from the remarkable legal point of view which obtains in the United States, but more importantly, as he tried to make clear to his interlocutor, he was a Negro by choice and by depth of involvement–by experience, in fact.”

The phenomenon known as “passing as white” is difficult to explain in other countries or to foreign students. Typical questions are: “Shouldn’t Americans say that a person who is passing as white is white, or nearly all white, and has previously been passing as black?” or “To be consistent, shouldn’t you say that someone who is one-eighth white is passing as black?” or “Why is there so much concern, since the so-called blacks who pass take so little negroid ancestry with them?” Those who ask such questions need to realize that “passing” is much more a social phenomenon than a biological one, reflecting the nation’s unique definition of what makes a person black. The concept of “passing” rests on the one-drop rule and on folk beliefs about race and miscegenation, not on biological or historical fact.[/quote]