Didn’t Zeb pick this Hillary lapdog to win the primary?
I believe so. IIRC he said Rubio is the face of the future GOP…
Oh noes! I have devoted more time to Trump than Hillary!
Hillary is wretched, Trump is wretched - I won’t vote for either.
Tell me, Zeb do you think Trump is wretched?
You get an “F” for reading comprehension, or perhaps it’s just flat out not paying attention… I stated that I was for him to become the next President but there was never a prediction attached. If you are going to keep posting you really need to keep up.
As long as we are on the subject of predicting I never got your response as to my bet on the Presidential race. Last I read you were pretty convinced Hillary was going to win.
Care to back that up, or do you just want to keep running your mouth with no consequences attached?
Your post count and tenor has been clearly knocking Trump and giving Hillary a free pass. Great that you said she is wretched. Look how many posts it took me to get that much out of you.
Also, I have said from the beginning that Trump was/is my last choice to run for President out of the 17 or so that threw their hats into the ring. And I defy you to find a post from me that carries on about how Good Trump would be as President, or what a great leader he is. However, I am a realist and voting for a third party candidate is throwing your vote away. You are in essence stating that you don’t want to deal with it and will leave others to decide who should be President. Your third party goof is not going to win. Ah but you know that right?
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I have no idea what % of ownership he had. It’s irrelevant. He said he was personally worth $500M, they said if he sold every penny and invested in the S&P he’d have $20B now. Not $4-$10B. [/quote]
This is a gross oversimplification. Assets cannot simply be sold when they are tied up in a business with other people (his father) may have control over them. That’s the point. Shit even the liberal site you posted politifact even agrees this claim is false.
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So is Trump when he estimates his net worth at $11B citing his brand (an intangible asset notoriously difficult to quantify) as worth around $6B-$7B. [/quote]
non-sequitur
Does writing one of the best selling business books of all time and a wildly successful TV show not count?
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That’s wonderful. Wal-Mart employs like 2 million people and feeds 10s of millions more. Should Douglas Mcmillon be the next President? Charles Koch helped turn a relatively small company into one that grosses like $90B a year amounting to almost a 20% annual compounded return. That’s way better than Donald, should he be President? [/quote]
We are discussing his business acumen, that’s one aspect of multiple factors as to why he should be president.
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How do you know his business has been “highly profitable”? He’s declared bankruptcy 4 times and his magazine and steak line failed. I’m sure there are others I can’t think of that have failed. [/quote]
I explained his bankruptcy above. Anyways a law professor weighed in on Trump’s bankruptcy’s and said the following:
“The mere fact of these filings is somehow imputed to be a personal failing of Donald Trump. I have never heard anyone suggest that the filings were because of Trump’s bad management. Perhaps they were, but a bankruptcy filing is not in-and-of-itself a sign of any sort of moral failing, lack of business acumen, etc”
http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2015/08/donald-trump-speaks-the-truth.html
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His family built the business long before The Donald was even a thought. [/quote]
And there are plenty of people who inherited family businesses only to see them run into the ground. Want an example? Look up the Canadian brand “Eatons.” It was a massive century old company that the family basically ran into the ground in a little over a decade.
Point is: maintaining a successful business and building a brand shows incredible business acumen.
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Megyn Kelly asks tough questions so that bimbo must be bleeding out her “whever”. [/quote]
This is just something that went over your head. The way he pulled ahead of the other 16 people running was by being bold, brash and thus making front page headlines. He talks about this strategy in his book the Art of the Deal. Seriously how do you think he beat out the other 16 candidates if he’s simply a buffoon?
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Perhaps if he gets divorced again he’ll finaly date his daughter.
Talking about Ivanka posing in Playboy: “It would be really disappointing — not really — but it would depend on what’s inside the magazine. I don’t think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”[/quote]
This only sounds bad out of context. This was a joke poking fun at himself to make fun of the fact he routinely dates much younger women. He doesn’t actually want to date his daughter.
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At least he knows all about the nuclear triad. It is pretty important:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/12/17/what-is-nuclear-triad-debate-sot.cnn
And of course he respects our POWs:
“He’s not a war hero,” Trump said at the Family Leadership Summit, during a discussion. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” [/quote]
Okay, he made light of McCain’s capture, but to be fair it was only in retaliation of the nasty things McCain had been saying about Trump and his supporters. He called Trump Supporters “crazies”
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Should I continue? I can post about his terrible tarrif ideas or how he wants to restrict free speech or how Mexicans illegals rape everyone or how awesome he thinks Putin is or probably 1,000 other things. [/quote]
I support a muslim ban and deporting of rapey illegal mexicans.
PJ O’Rourke has come out as saying he’ll vote for Hillary: PJ O'Rourke Endorses Hillary Clinton – RedState
Clinton, he declared, was “the second worst thing that could happen to this country. But she’s way behind in second place, you know? She’s wrong about absolutely everything. But she’s wrong within normal parameters!”
Also, Jonathon Hoenig of The Capitalist Pig: http://capitalistpig.com/news-media/nevertrump/
I think this is a great op-ed piece because it shows he gets the long game.
"Ayn Rand once noted how “elections are won in every month of the year except November.” A Presidential race can’t change ideas, it just cashes in on those already accepted as truth.
I start with the premise that the only thing that can save the country is capitalism.
Yet sixty-three percent of Democrats and 49 percent of Republicans view Wall Street as detrimental to the economy, as reported by Daily Wire. Barely half view global free trade positively, according to Pew. The majority of young people now reject capitalism outright.
Reversing the trend will require decades of education. For Americans, capitalism remains the unknown ideal.
In this context, Donald Trump’s business credentials are exactly what makes him so dangerous. In the minds of voters, Trump represents capitalism. But as was pointed out in this space five years ago, Donald Trump is explicitly anti-capitalist on issues ranging from taxes to anti-trust to trade.
Trump’s use of the term “rape” in describing global trade is a horrid but telling indicator of just how he views voluntary relationships.
For nearly a decade, leftist intellectuals have spread the mythology that free markets were tried — and failed — under George W. Bush, necessitating greater government controls. But it was President Bush who started the bank bailouts in 2008, Obama just picked up the ball and kept running.
In Hillary Clinton, voters get another term of Obama, and Bush before him. She’s a mixed-economy power-luster, same as the old boss. If they are to survive, Republicans must present a capitalist alternative. Right now, they can’t.
And when Hillary’s policies fail, as they will, her socialist ideas will rightfully be denounced.
But President Donald Trump would be the standard-bearer for American capitalism, despite the fact his ideas are exactly opposed.
Because he is in business, Trump’s progressive taxes, threats to CEOs and tariffs against consumers will be legitimized as capitalist, as moral, as just. They’re not.
And when Trump’s policies fail, as they will, American capitalism will unquestionably get blamed.
This is why I’m supporting Clinton: Long term, the damage levied by Donald Trump to capitalism in America will be immeasurably worse than that wrought by Hillary Clinton.
Consider that the most catastrophic financial collapse in U.S. history came under President Herbert Hoover, the Republican businessman who enacted trade restrictions to “bring back jobs.”
What followed wasn’t just economic misery, but the subsequent election of Franklin D. Roosevelt and the institutionalized welfare that hasn’t stopped metastasizing since.
In effect, what worries me most isn’t Trump, but what comes after Trump. “We tried free markets under Donald Trump,” they’ll say. “Look how it failed!”
At that point, with capitalism completely discredited, the path is very short to dictatorial rule. There’s nobody left to stand in the way."
Emphasis mine.
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Lol, Jesus Christ you’re as bad as Zeb. Oh jeee, an aspiring Commander in Chief made light of POWs being captures and tortures, oh well, said POW said a mean thing to him first so it’s okay…
I’m done arguing about The Donald. This is just getting ridiculous. It is not possible to ban all Muslims without a 100% travel ban, which would be retarded.
These are my favorite types of comments by the way. You’re just not smart enough to get it, lol… He beat out the other 16 candidates because the majority of Americans are fucking idiots that think being entertaining is more valuable than actual knowledge.
Ya, talking about how hot your daughter is just sounds bad “out of context”. Christ I feel bad for the next generation.
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Fantastic post and one of many reasons I will not vote for Trump. He would kill–through shortsightedness, lack of knowledge, or just general egotism–the remaining life in the public perception of capitalism by millenials, the young voting block. It will not matter that he really isn’t a good example of capitalist (or constitutionalist) policies, it matters what he is PERCEIVED as being. As the old saying goes, perception is reality. Even if that “reality” is flawed or downright inaccurate. I said long, long ago that the longer Trump stayed in the race the more he would hurt the GoP. I was wrong about him getting the nomination…but of course I thought the party would play reasonably expert level politicsand they did not…but I believe I am in the process of being proved correct about my other assertion.
I predict Hillary wining the race barring an indictment. With an indictment all bets are off but probably goes to Trump. Country loses either way. I won’t vote for either. I hate them both, and I was politically aware during White Water.
I do not consider it self-evident at all that a Hillary administration would be substantially worse than a Trump administration. They are both incredibly bad and the uncertainty in assessment is large.
Unfortunately, the idiots have gained traction because people feel things are really really bad, and “the experts” turned out to be lying useless turds.
If people feel like they will be fucked in the end, why not be entertained while being fucked.
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Hey, people can do whatever they want. That’s why I love America.
Internet bets are not “consequences”, they are the avoidance of consequences - when you lose, you leave, and instead of facing the loss, you dodge it all and avoid hearing how all your predictions were bunk.
Nobody cares about this nonsense but you, but hey, nonsense is kinda your thing at this point.
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You didn’t get any Hillary posts out of me - my posts on that stuff predate your idiotic scorekeeping tantrum. But a question - how is that you don’t understand that no one other than you cares about this faux-complaint about not criticizing Hillary “enough” along with the Trump criticism? It’s been hundreds of posts - no one gives a damn about it, as they see how stupid it is. Surely you get that, right?
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A third party vote this year won’t be a throwaway because one candidate isn’t better than another, or more specifically, less worse than the other. There is no defensive vote to be cast - both are equally wretched. Time to send a message.
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I ask you if you think Trump is wretched - you respond that he, um, wasn’t your first choice. Hilarious. What a hack.
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I never understood the scorekeeping about not criticizing HRC “enough”. Typically if I make a statement like “I wont knowingly vote for a hudeously corrupt politician, so won’t vote for Hillary” as you did I won’t bother throwing more out. Its pretty crystal clear what I think of that person so why bother.
In any case, HRC has had decades in the spotlight in which she has become mostly, a “known” quantity of wretchedness and corruption. What else is there to say? Conversely Trump has never been in the political spotlight or run for office before, his stances/platform/policies/behavior on the campaign trail and all the rest are “new” and therefore subject to discussion solely on that basis Not that they would be unworthy otherwise, anybody running for the highest office in the land–or any office–needs to be discussed. However it is human nature to discuss what is “new”, and Trump is undoubtedly that. It was one of his secrets to monopolizing media coverage without paying during the primaries. In any case regardless of how long Trump has been around as a contrpversial magnate or reality TV star he has never stepped into the political sphere and NOBODY–as illustrated by the myriad pundits and others who gave him 0 chance to win the primary–had even considered what Trump as a politician would do. He has no track record and as such there is much to talk about. I believe many here did the same with Obama in 2008, as did I. Second verse, same as the first
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If you missed it, Dr. Pangloss’s link re: O’Rourke has a nice bit (from Leon Wolf, not O’Rourke) on point for this forum:
"I will tell you, it gets a little old, hearing “YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GIVE THE ELECTION TO HILLARY” over and over, as though we don’t know that’s a possibility. The angry declaration various Captain Obviouses throughout the country contains within it the clearly erroneous assumption that everyone accepts the premise that Hillary Clinton would be a worse President than Donald Trump.
Personally, I don’t know how anyone with a working prefrontal cortex can believe that’s true, given what we’ve witnessed from Trump on the campaign trail this season. For whatever Hillary’s faults, she’s never suggested on national TV that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in JFK’s assassination because of something she read in the National Enquirer, which means that she’s got a huge leg up on Trump in the “being sane” department, not to mention the “being able to tell the difference between weapons-grade batsh*t insanity and the truth” department, both of which are kind of hugely important for the person who is going to be in charge of the world’s most powerful military.
But then again, some people are so blinded by loyalty to the GOP that they can’t or won’t see the fact that this year’s nominee genuinely doesn’t deserve the default assumption that he will be better than the Democrat, no matter what. Old habits are hard to break, I guess."
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Yup, this hits the nail on the head.
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Says the man who won’t stand behind one single thing he writes. That’s nonsense where I come from. By the way our friend Sloth whom I disagree with rarely and is a well regarded poster doesn’t think bets are nonsense…
One more thing before I’m done with you this time around. You have this foolish habit of seeming like you are speaking for the crowd.
“No one cares what you think”
“We are all sick of your nonsense”
“Everyone thinks you are wrong.”
Hey TB “everyone” has your number now. Ha
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You didn’t get any Hillary posts out of me - my posts on that stuff predate your idiotic scorekeeping tantrum. [/quote]
Please…be careful how you use the word “tantrum” because that is what you are in the middle of regarding your obsessive Trump hatred. Tantrum ha ha perfect.
But a question - how is that you don’t understand that no one other than you cares about this faux-complaint about not criticizing Hillary “enough” along with the Trump criticism?[/quote[
A very basic observation. The fact is you despise Trump and that hate has blinded to a worse candidate, Hillary Clinton. This has been proven out by your lack of posts attack Hillary DURING THIS CAMPAIGN. And that, I can only guess, is because you would rather see Hillary become President than Trump. Yes, I know you said she was wretched. But, one word does not equal the thousands you have posted attacking Trump. That this simple but correct observation somehow bothers you is funny. That no one else mentioned means what? That they didn’t notice? Think again.
Sorry that you could not infer from my post that I think Trump is the worst candidate that the republicans have fielded in decades…perhaps ever. “Nu uh you didn’t say the word wretched you’re a hack, you’re a hack neener neener.”
(Eye roll) Okay Tb I will play your third grade games. Yes TB Trump is indeed a wretched candidate. But in all his wretchedness he is still better than the con lady Hillary who is more wretched.
Now run along and play.
More yawnworthy, poorly written nonsense. To be clear, I’m not bothered by your insistence on scorekeeping, I’m just trying to alight for everyone the rank idiocy of your “fairness doctrine” re: political candidates. It’s absurd and no one cares about it but you. But it continues to be entertaining to see you double and triple down on it.