So now that a Trump presidency is becoming a real possibility world leaders have started to soften their stances. First Fox now Cameron.
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Zeb, would you ever not support the Republican nominee? Is there anything the nominee (Trump in this case) could do that would make it so you donāt support him?
This is with Hillary as the Democratic nominee.
Edit: No need to get into a long post about all her wrong doings.
Yes, obviously.
Who are you voting for this time around Drewski?
This.
At first, they talked all sorts of mad shit about him. Now, they see they may have to deal with him.
The fact that he made Vicente Fox come crawling back on his hands and knees has me almost believe that Trump can pull a rabbit out of his own ass. I thought the lulz ended when he threw Jorge Ramos out of that press conference, I swear itās like Christmas everyday with Trump.
Already said, looking at Gary Johnson or write in. Canāt support either and am really disappointed in the GOPās choice.
Trump was the only GOP candidate who I would not vote for. I think I wouldāve eventually voted for Cruz when it came to the general. I was pulling for Rubio and Kasich.
Like? Policy positions? Trump U lawsuit?
Edit: added quote and question
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Canāt agree with you on that Drew when we all know that either Trump or Hillary (if she is allowed to run) will become President. Sure itās your choice and many have done it in the past but protest voting is not for me. If both candidates are not up to snuff I will always choose the best of the two.
I understand. Thatās why I ask, what would Trump have to do to become worse than Hillary? What policy positions are the breaking point for you? Or is it non-policy related?
People in business get sued all of the time in the US. We have made it quite easy in this country (as opposed to England where losers have to pay for the winners legal fees) for people to sue. If they lose they lose nothing so why not take a stab at the big corporation, or in this case the big name. Itās like playing the lottery.
Is that how you view the Trump U lawsuit? The lawsuit is not valid and the company behaved properly?
it is possible for people to sue for dumb reasons, Iāve seen it many times. Its also possible for corporations to hide real problems by squashing lawsuits. There are relevant lawsuits where a company has behaved in a fraudulent way. If that is proved in the Trump U case, does that make a difference to you?
These are from the first link:
Trump has been successful. There is no doubting he has succeeded in real estate; however, the point that has been repeated multiple times now is that what he has done (based on where he started) is not some incredible achievement thatās worthy of praise. There are numerous examples of people that have done amazing things during the same time span. The Koch brother, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, etcā¦
Heās done well for himself in one industry and has failed in others. Even the growth he has managed in his home industry is just okay. I think people get caught up in the number. $4B - $10B is a ton of money and I think people for some reason automatically assume that means heās a business savant, but itās not even as good as the market let alone better. The math simply doesnāt work out.
And for the record, good for him, I love Capitalism. Iām glad heās done well for himself, but I seriously doubt his success will translate to our economy in any meaningful way. Just read up on his tariff ideas. To borrow from the man himself, they would be a disaster.
When you take into account inflation, what heās done looks even less spectacular. Every dollar he had in 1982 is now worth $2.47 so $500M in 1982 = $1.2B now.
IMO, Trumps only saving grace is his business success, but he really hasnāt done anything that impressive.
Not really sure what to say hereā¦ He is decent in real estate. I think he probably learned a lot from his father, good for him.
Heās a buffoon in basically all other areas of life, which are kinda important as far as being POTUS goes.
Okay first of all note to TB who reads my every word: My friend Drew has mentioned Hillary so I will now have to talk about her and I hope that doesnāt hurt your feelings. 
Okay, the question: āWhat would Trump have to do to become worse than Hillaryā
Your answer is Trump would have to become the low life scum that Hillary is in that he would have to do something equal to the following:
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Promote and defend a sexual predator and rapist as Hillary Clinton has done by attacking Billās victims among other things.
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Leave 4 good men to die in Benghazi without raising a finger to help.
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Lie about why the attack on the embassy occurred claiming it was a video when it has been proven by an email to her daughter that it had nothing to do with a video.
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Improperly make $100,000 on 4 cattle future trades when she started out with only $1,000 a few weeks before hand. I donāt trade futures but the guys on this site who do will tell you that what she did is close to impossible without insider information.
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Get involved in what has been called for many years the White Water scandal. This is where Bill and Hillary were involved in a real estate scandal. Google it very interesting.
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Be the subject of a 200 man FBI investigation into her email scandal and the Clinton Foundation.
Iāll stop here for now.
If Trump did those things and the many more that Hillary is guilty of I would not support him
The chances of Trump having anything to do with Benghazi before November are 0%, so youāre going to support him no matter what. You could have just said that.
I ask again: How do you know what % of his companyās assets were under his control during the time his father was alive? What kind of agreement they had? Having assets worth $500M does not necessarily equate to cash in hand. The people who wrote this article are doing a lot of guesswork.
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Trump has been successful. There is no doubting he has succeeded in real estate; however, the point that has been repeated multiple times now is that what he has done (based on where he started) is not some incredible achievement thatās worthy of praise. There are numerous examples of people that have done amazing things during the same time span. The Koch brother, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, etcā¦ [/quote]
So because there have been people who have done better, itās not really all that impressive to you what heās done?
Also does employing thousands of people and feeding thousands more not impress?
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When you take into account inflation, what heās done looks even less spectacular. Every dollar he had in 1982 is now worth $2.47 so $500M in 1982 = $1.2B now.
IMO, Trumps only saving grace is his business success, but he really hasnāt done anything that impressive. [/quote]
You understand that companies constantly rise and fall right? That keeping a business highly profitable for decades is a great achievement in of itself.
As I posted earlier 80% of businesses fail within the first 18 months. Think about how successful he has been compared to the average person.
Please explain how heās been a buffoon in all other areas of life?
On the topic of character what do you guys think of these GOPE politicians who swore to back the nominee but no longer are now that itās Trump ? Are they essentially character deficient?
Do you think Trump would have backed Cruz if Cruz had gotten the nomination at the convention? They all made a pledge right?
Youāre asking me?
My best guess: He would but ultimately he would have gone back to real estate and thus no longer have skin in the game because his political career would be dead in the water.
So: Yes but knowing it wouldnāt impact him in the future no real harm in doing so
Well, since weāre playing the conjecture game:
Ties to the mob???
Heāll order the ātaking outā ie the killing of civilians if elected President:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/
Heās currently being sued for fraud:
Oh, wait, more lawsuits.
Like this one:
and this one:
Free speech, who needs that:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432848/donald-trump-opposes-free-speech-pc-left
Dude couldnāt be more of a democrat if his name was Clinton.
2016 has been a crash course in cognitive dissonance thatās for sure. At least The Donald knows how the nuclear triad worksā¦
politifact.com has been shown to be a bias site against GOP candidates according to a George Mason University study.
Take a look at Hillary Clinton under politifact, barely anything related to her email scandals or Benghazi. Red flag right?
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I ask again: How do you know what % of his companyās assets were under his control during the time his father was alive? What kind of agreement they had? Having assets worth $500M does not necessarily equate to cash in hand. [/quote]
I have no idea what % of ownership he had. Itās irrelevant. He said he was personally worth $500M, they said if he sold every penny and invested in the S&P heād have $20B now. Not $4-$10B.
So is Trump when he estimates his net worth at $11B citing his brand (an intangible asset notoriously difficult to quantify) as worth around $6B-$7B.
Heās done well, I guess you ignored where I wrote that. He hasnāt done anything spectacular as his supporters often state. The point is, he isnāt some financial guru. He continued the success of his father and grandfather. Good for him, but not exceptional.
Thatās wonderful. Wal-Mart employs like 2 million people and feeds 10s of millions more. Should Douglas Mcmillon be the next President? Charles Koch helped turn a relatively small company into one that grosses like $90B a year amounting to almost a 20% annual compounded return. Thatās way better than Donald, should he be President?
Yup.
How do you know his business has been āhighly profitableā? Heās declared bankruptcy 4 times and his magazine and steak line failed. Iām sure there are others I canāt think of that have failed.
His family built the business long before The Donald was even a thought.
Hereās the thing, heās barely done better than the average person and he was able to do this because his family built a profitable company. He had advantages the average person never did and has done well with them. As I said, good for him, but that a POTUS does not make.
Ummmm, okay.
Megyn Kelly asks tough questions so that bimbo must be bleeding out her āwheverā.
Perhaps if he gets divorced again heāll finaly date his daughter.
Talking about Ivanka posing in Playboy: āIt would be really disappointing ā not really ā but it would depend on whatās inside the magazine. I donāt think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. Iāve said if Ivanka werenāt my daughter, perhaps Iād be dating her.ā
At least he knows all about the nuclear triad. It is pretty important:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/12/17/what-is-nuclear-triad-debate-sot.cnn
And of course he respects our POWs:
āHeās not a war hero,ā Trump said at the Family Leadership Summit, during a discussion. āHe was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who werenāt captured.ā
Should I continue? I can post about his terrible tarrif ideas or how he wants to restrict free speech or how Mexicans illegals rape everyone or how awesome he thinks Putin is or probably 1,000 other things.
Yes. Dumbasses should not have made the pledge in the first place.
Hey, I was just playing the conjecture game like everyone else.
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Do I need to post something anti-Hillary now or am I goodā¦?
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You need so much more if unless you wanted to be branded a Hillary supporter.
For funsies, here is what I posted re: Hillary as SOS in the āHillary versus Carsonā thread:
[quote]She does have the most experience, and that plays well against the Carsons of the race, who when put on a stage next to her, will be exposed as completely unprepared for the job. Itās less of an automatic advantage against the more serious competitors. The reason is because experience is a double-edged sword - having experience means having a body of work, and if your body of work isnāt great, citing your experience isnāt necessarily helpful. In fact, it can downright hurt you.
And this also dovetails into your other question about Hillary. No Secretary of State can claim a great score at the job having presided over the debacle of Libya. The naked illegality (and the precedent it sets), the complete lack of national interest at stake, the irresponsibility that led to the power and vacuum and the resulting descent into a terrorist haven - itās simply impossible to claim Hillary is a great SOS with this goat rodeo on her watch. Now, part of this is on Obama, and Hillary shouldnāt be afraid to say so, but sheās no superstar. Libya was a foreign policy disaster of the first rank.
So, simply citing experience isnāt good currency - this is especially true given that so few presidential candidates any more have direct foreign policy experience prior to running for the office. Voters are used to understanding that limitation and are willing to be less forgiving of that limitation.
Hillaryās resume is good, on paper - incredibly good, in fact. But again, on paper. And GOP candidates are going to have to really bone up of foreign policy to overcome her advantage in front of general audiences. But sheās vulnerable in the exact space sheās supposed to have a great advantage, and saying " I was Secertary of State" wonāt mean much if voters respond ātrue, but you were a crappy Secretary of Stateā.
I generally agree with you that experience here is an advantage. Itās not a panacea for Hillary, though.[/quote]
To which Push, one of our self-appointed scorekeepers on the required amount of Hillary hatred, replied āthis is an excellent postā.
But then, I had the audacity to claim (and back up) that Trump was unfit for office, and so clearly I must secretly love Hillary and wonāt fess up to it.
I have seen some dumb shit in threads in my many years of being here, but this āyou criticize Trump too much and Hillary too little!ā might be the dumbest ever.
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