Pregnenolone question

Hello… did a Pregnenolone test with my last blood work below. Looks to be really low and wondering if this is contributing to my depression and fatigue symptoms. Looks like I’m at the bottom of the range if the ranges listed online are correct. This blood marker didn’t come with a range.

If I can’t figure this out I think I have to come off of TRT. I felt amazing in the first couple of years but gradually I felt worse and worse. My levels look good according to the men’s clinic except for pregnenolone which they don’t treat here in Canada.

Thx for any comments and insights,

Pregnenolone 10 ng/dl (range?)
Estradiol 136 (<162 pmol/L)
DHEA-S 3.5 (<9.7 umol/L)
Testosterone 31 (8.4-28.8 nmol/L)
SHBG 32.5 (10 - 70 nmol/L)
Hematocrit .508 (0.4 - 0.5 L/L)
Dihydrotestosterone 2.14 (range?)

TSH 2.03 (0.32 - 4.00 mIU/L)
Free T4 13 (9-19 pmol/L)
Free T3 5.1 (2.6-5.8 pmol/L)

Prolactin 8.5 (4.0-19.0 ug/L)

You can get preg on Amazon. At least in the states.
I think it’s under utilized.

Neurosteroids can be used to backfill as needed.

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I buy mine on Amazon. My online TRT Clinic, Marek Health, recommended it. Supposed to also be great for memory.

I take 30 MG daily.

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That could be a dozen different things. But, the only way to know if Preg would help is to take it, see what happens, assess from them. If it helps, you have your answer. If it doesn’t, cross it off the list and keep searching.

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Neurosteroids (both Preg and DHEA) are a must for me. Without supplementation I lose 50 iq points, all desire to do anything in life, brain fog is crippling and my memory feels like I have Alzheimer’s. I wish I were exaggerating.

TRT decimates my production of both Preg and DHEA, as shown on many labs from before and after starting, so I know it’s not just in my head.

Thx for the insight here.

Do you know if this is a normal number and whether or not I would need to consider supplementing DHEA?

DHEA-S 3.5 (<9.7 umol/L)

I think I’m feeling a little better with the Preg; I’m using a sublingual form 1.7mg per drop at about 5 drops per night. Anything more than that and I feel to activated / anxious in the morning. I believe it’s going to take some time to get my levels back to normal as my Preg level was so low at 10 ng/dl.

All comments welcome per usual by those who are experienced in this regard.

thank you for your help,

Hey man, my pleasure. Keep in mind this is all highly individual so what worked for me might not work for you.

With DHEA-S there’s a question for me of whether it’s similar to Total T in the sense that you might have decent or even good levels of it but it doesn’t tell you how much active DHEA you have available.
After all DHEA-S acts as a reservoir similar to Total Testosterone.

All of that to say, I would go with symptoms more than lab numbers, up to a certain point of course. If you find yourself at 2x the top of the range it might be too high even if you feel good (although even that’s debatable), but basically just because your DHEA-S levels on labs might be acceptable (I’m not familiar with the range and units you posted, I’m assuming you’re not in/from the US) doesn’t mean TRT hasn’t negatively affected active DHEA concentrations and that you wouldn’t benefit from supplementation. Same for Pregnenolone.

For me, sublingual was too rough for Pregnenolone. The onset is really fast and a little overstimulating. It’s also in and out very quickly, meaning you get a huge spike and then a crash. Most of it also doesn’t convert to Preg-S, which you do want to some degree.

I dose oral micronized twice/day (5mg/day total, will try going up in the future but for now that’s what I can take for all benefits no negative side effects), and DHEA oral micronized twice/day also for a smoother ride (the half-life of oral Preg/DHEA is very short, of the order of a few hours). I do 20mg/day total for the DHEA.

The 1.7mg dosage and liquid formulation makes me think you’re using Idealabs StressNon from Haidut. I used that topically for a while with some good results but ended up liking oral better also for more precise dosing. I do trust he has good products though.

For oral micronized I use Nootropics Depot. It’s the only OTC supplement company I trust, and they’re one of the only ones (maybe the only one) who do legit third party testing.

Personally I would supplement both Preg and DHEA, but it depends on your individual homeostasis. Pregnenolone converts to Progesterone, which is anti-androgenic at higher levels; it blocks 5a-reductase enzymes from converting Testosterone to DHT. A lot of people don’t know that, but that’s why high levels of Progesterone are feminizing in a very real, biological way.

So in order to control the balance of different hormones and their effects, it makes sense to add metabolites at lower levels of the hormone cascade directly, for example adding DHT directly exogenously additionally to conversion from Testosterone in order to maximize androgenic effects and feelings of masculinity. Etc…

This is all stuff you have to experiment with. My last recommendation is make sure you only play with one variable at a time or you’ll have no idea what’s doing what. It’s complex enough as it is.

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Thx tor all of this information… my levels are really low for both it would seem. Or at least as lab numbers are concerned. And my symptoms seem to fit these low level presentations.

I’m having trouble finding sources that will ship to Canada. The only Preg I’ve been able to order is Biomatrix Sublingual 1.7mg per drop and I’ve been taking 4 of those a night because I feel off if I take it in the morning… possibly because of the quick onset you mentioned.

Unfortunately Nootropics depot won’t ship DHEA or Preg to Canada.

If anyone has a place that will ship good quality Preg in a lower dosage like 20-30mg or lower even (?) please reach out …and DHEA I already have 5mg Pure Encapsulations on the way. Hope that’s good enough.

Thank you for your help