Mine too, but he jumped ship when Carter killed the steel industry.
It really is disheartening to see these cynical, chronologically adult but emotionally infant ignoramuses meander through life without even a glimmer of understanding that it is these “uneducated rednecks” that have hammered, welded, trenched, and bolted it together for them to enjoy.
In my opinion, these elitists need to divest from the democratic party, because they do not deserve to wear the mantle. They have not earned it.
Not sure if you’ll be around to read this but…
No matter if you are 100% correct here (you aren’t IMO, but damn close to it) this entire post is still part of the problem.
Look end of the day, “stupid” people matter too. Sorry they do. White People’s opinions matter, particularly those that didn’t have a hand in the horrors faced by other people in the past.
You want them on your side still, much like they were in 08, 2012? Well then stop talking about them from this high horse-esk tone. Stop looking down on them. Stop talking around them, putting them and their concerns at the back of the bus because “white privilege” and actually talk to them. Should be pretty easy to figure out where they are coming from, and show them how they don’t need a Cheeto to get what they are after, considering their “anti-intellectual” crisis.
I’m telling you, you can go on and on about “racist” but end of the day, the rust belt alone tells you that a) it isn’t nearly as big of a “coalition” as you think, and b) people are really, really fucking sick of being called a racist when they aren’t. States that went heavily Obama suddenly turned racist in 4 years and went Trump? Laughable.
Trump the racists and misogynist out performed Romeny (an infinitely better candidate, and likely the best possible POTUS we will have had the chance of having for the next couple of decades) in all the Democrats pet demographics? But Trump is riding the tide of racism…
Nah man, however right you may be on FP, your as out of touch with what the average, everyday person in America is feeling. Just so happens white votes count, “stupid” votes count, and the basket full of deplorable count too. Keep talking down to them and about them, and soon you’ll see the minority demographics following them AWAY from your position.
A condescending asshole that thinks he’s better than me can tell me the sky is blue. Objective fact right? Well, my response will be “not when it’s raining, go fuck yourself”.
Yeah, it rained Tuesday.
Safe travels SMH. Hope to see you around again some time.
This, 1,000X this.
The most important people on any given day, in ANY urban environment on Earth are the garbage collectors.
People need to keep that in mind apparently.
This post should be sent to all Liberal media.
The rust belt voted for Obama twice, but now they are racist ? Also, Trump did as well among Latinos as George HW Bush did in 1988, just 2 years after the Reagan Amnesty. Imagine that, Latinos voted in the same numbers whether you gave them amnesty or suggest building a wall and calling them criminals. Maybe, just maybe, that was not their main issue when voting. And maybe, just maybe, the women vote didn’t hinge on whether or not the candidate was a pussy grabber.
Democrats seem to be too entrenched in rhetoric rather than having a unbiased analysis as to why they lost.
Crazy shit happens in threes. First was Brexit, second was the Cubs winning the World Series, the third was the man who everyone said couldn’t win actually won the whole shit.
Half of all voters surveyed said trade agreements take away U.S. jobs — reinforcing Trump’s signature domestic policy issue. Trump won 47.6 percent of the statewide vote, while Clinton garnered 47.3 percent.
Many Michigan voters did not appear to be dissuaded by his lewd comments toward women and bragging about using celebrity influence to grope women in 2005 audio that surfaced before the election concluded. Nor did many recoil from his comments about building a wall between Mexico and America or temporarily banning Muslims from entering the country to create better measures to screen terrorists.
Yeah.
They also need to keep in mind that working with your hands does not equal stupid. There are environments in industries that act as a crucible to purge stupid. I’m reminded of Chushin and what he told me of his dad, a steel worker from the heyday of the industry. An environment that stupid would literally get burnt to cinders in. Some of the places and things I’ve done- where people get mutilated and dismembered on a regular basis if you step wrong.
But guys like me are “stupid”? I’m not looking for edification or anything, just a decent paycheck. But to be called stupid?
That is just plain fucked up.
Thinking back, we all wanted somebody more grown up to run, or at least Trump to be more grown up. But it may be that very flailing at every insult thrown his way that won him the throne. I don’t know if a more polished person could have beaten the Clinton machine. And a machine it was and still very much is. There is no blueprint for how you beat unimaginable odds like that. I think the only thing you do is to get into the mud and fight like hell.
For all of his faults, he fought like hell. Hopefully, the moment will not be to big for him. I hope he knows when the campaign is over, it’s over. I guess we will find out. I cringe every time he speaks right now. I hope he was able to flip that switch from campaign mode, to “let’s get to work” mode. So far he hasn’t said anything stupid. It’s easy when you win. I just hope that dawns on him like it should.
Strongly agree. My father worked using a drill press and a lathe everyday, making parts for all sorts of industries until landing a job at Panavision. As a prototype machinist, he could fix anything he got his hands on. He would come home with callused hands and the smell of machine oil on his shirt. He might not have been able to quote Shakespeare, but no one would hardly call him stupid by any means. When I hear terms like “educated voters”, it pisses me off because education does not guarantee intelligence.
People like you help build the world, knob slobbing political pundits battle each other while wearing tweed.
And due to the Obama bubble the left has been living in, you are literally “stupid racist xenophobe” to them…
Trump is, without a doubt, unequivocally Obama’s legacy.
How funny is that. History very well may remember Obama as the man that brought the world Trump, which according to the above… Means war with Russia in 18 months.
Initially I thought that Trump’s support had a strong economic issues component, but I think that this is in many ways misguided. If I had to sum up the reason for Trump’s victory in one word, I would say that word is: “respect.”
A large portion of Americans feel that Washington and elites have disrespected them for a long time. Inspite of everything else about Donald Trump, these people felt and feel that he respects them. And they felt that voting for him would stick it to the people that disrespected them.
I think the liberal media was so out of touch they didn’t ever drive home the points that could have been really damaging to Trump with his base. For instance, the most potentially damaging thing in the access Hollywood tape was that Trump was going after a married woman. That violates the basic respect that men should show to each other. But all we ever heard was pussy-grabber. Had they pushed the married woman angle instead, things might be very different right now.
A similar story was the tradesmen that Trump stiffed. I know there was some coverage of this, but that should have been more damaging than it was. While the Clinton campaign was busy digging up women that claimed to have been groped, they should have spent time digging up people that got stiffed by Trump. I’m at a loss as to why they never did unless the story about Trump stiffing people was smoke and never really happened (at least not in the way that the Clinton campaign implied).
It’s almost as if the Clinton campaign and the liberal media were so feminized that they never bothered to consider what the Trump base of white men would have found most damaging. It would have been easy.
Rich people don’t stay rich without the later.
The simple fact he is sitting there the victor may very well mean he is actually brighter than people give him credit for.
Some people continue to cling to the delusion that Trump is an unstable idiot who has managed to accidentally be elected President of the United States of America. Those people are at least a few cards short of a deck.
I have no idea on veracity of these claims, but 2 points:
Tradesmen conjures a picture of 1 man operation (getting stiffed) rather than a more sophisticated operation that has many employees, uses contracts of performance on both sides, and so forth that would actually be working on these huge commercial projects
Builders Liens are SOP and could be researched to verify - much easier than digging through 15 year old trash cans for smoking condoms,
To put it simply:
That story had no traction because everybody knows that good work makes companies and bad work (sloppy, shoddy, incomplete, late) breaks them.
That was well said. The reasons you gave. I believe they accounted for the part of the vote that Trump won the election on. The old blue collar working class was sick of being being talked down to and being told who they should vote fore. As Michael Moore said, it was a historic fuck you
As someone who works in construction, as a Owner’s Project Manager, I can’t tell you how many contractors would say they were stiffed. The thing is, construction documents can be vague, there is a lot of detail required to build a building, and there are no perfect documents.
I just managed at $16M job that had over 100 pages of drawings and 700 pages of specifications. There were several instances where the specifications would state a specific product, but the drawings would state something else. However, in the ‘front end’ of the specifications, there is a line that says the more stringent applies if there are inconsistencies.
That’s just one example, I could give thousands. All that to say, it is really difficult to draw conclusions based on a single complaint.
Tolerance yo.
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From the other thread:
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All I want to say is that turning a blind eye to things and hoping for the best is rarely a good tactic.[/quote]
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Has it occurred to you that the tactic of conflating republicans to racists might have provided a temporary feel good, and seemed like a strategic win, but ultimately turned out to be a loss?
The democratic party has created a disease of the mind by doing this and hemorrhaged membership, poisoned relationships, and lost control of every branch of the government.
You really don’t get that, do you?[/quote]
That is way you have your estimator confirm any inconstancy in writing. And why you line out the “more stringent applies” You state exactly what you will do and use in your contract. What is odd is that they almost never catch your line out. And when they do I have never had them say no. They want your price or they would not have sent you the contract. Construction can be cutthroat like that