Pre- & Post- Workout Nutriton

[quote]eightohfive wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
good discussion guys. For someone at 18% BF I think it is just a faster way to lose fat with having carbs post-workout (not directly after, but in the meal an hour later). That way, the lifting session itself can burn some fat.

In terms of someone more advanced with a leaner physique like, Stu, pre-workout carbs are great.[/quote]

I see your point and i’ve read that as well. in a couple different places. SO you suggest meat&nut then a post workout carb instead of the pre? do you think i’ll experience a sort of lack of energy/“pump”/gains due to the missing carbs/beta-alanine/creatine?
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Well I would still like you to take beta-alanine, creatine, and BCAAs every workout, no question about it. You don’t really get a ‘pump’ from these things, but beta-alanine will basically allow you to do more reps and not feel that ‘burn’ as quickly. The functions of creatine/BCAA are well-known so I’m not going to go over that. If you are under dietary restrictions, beta-alanine can be a godsend for your workouts.

On whether you should take in carbs or not, I should have asked this question… it depends entirely on how you train. For example, if you did one of Thib’s beastly workouts that are becoming more and more popular on this site, I would recommend AT LEAST a scoop of Surge Workout Fuel or something similar, because the volume can be pretty high at times. The carbs will potentiate glucose into the muscle much easier (what with the insulin response from both the training and carbs). But if you are doing something like Olympic lifting, which I do (or will continue to do once my injury heals), where the rep scheme can be ridiculously low… I mean c’mon, how many carbs do you need if you are doing moderately-heavy block snatches (with basically no time under tension) for 2-3 reps?

From the studies I’ve gone over it seems like, the more ‘work’ you do, the more carbs you need. There have been plenty of studies showing the benefits of carbs for endurance athletes, showing that you should take in around ~60g carbs per hour of work. And there have also been studies (not as many) that show pre-workout carbs do NOT aid in power and basically, heavy low-rep resistance training. The thing that carbs can help with, in that regard, is simply better hydration because they hold water, but you can get that easily from enough water intake and electrolytes.

Monday: Upper Body
Abs
Dumbbell Bench 12-9-6-4
superset*fly’s 3x12

  • close/neutral grip pull downs 12-9-6-4
    superset*One arm dumbbell row 3x9
    *shoulder press (military or dumbbell) 3x12
    Abs

Tuesday: Dynamic lower
Abs
Depth Jumps 12-10-8
Calves 3x24
Overhead tricep press
superset* Bulgarian split-squat OR lunges 4x12

  • dumbbell squat & press 4x12

Wed: Cardio

Thursday: Upper Body
Abs
Incline dumbbell bench 15-12-9-9
superset* lat pull down 9-9-6-6-4
shoulder work raises or seated DB power clean 3x12
superset
neutral grip row 9-6-6

  • wide grip bench 3x12
    Abs

Friday: Heavy Legs
Abs
superset* Squat 12-12-10-6-4

  • biceps 9-6-6
    superset* deadlift 9-9-6-6-4
  • dips 20-15-12
    Abs

Sat/Sun: Light Cardio or Rest

I rest no more than 60seconds between sets, usually around 30-45. workouts take about ~45 min

MY current plan… literally posted it a couple days ago in the training forum, looking for advice on what i could do different if anything. a similar approach to west-side, but i changed the rep scheme a little. I’m shooting for ‘athletic w/ some meat’, if that makes sense haha. not really looking to get into bodybuilding competition, but turning heads and dominating physical tasks are on my “goals” list.

yeah man you have a decent amount of volume. A FINiBAR pre-workout or scoop of SWF peri-workout would be a good idea. Have a small amount of carbs post-workout too in your meal. The rest of the meals, have fat+protein. That’s my suggestion, at least.

MIGHTY STU! off topic question but seeing that you are one cut up, ripped son of a bitch, i thought you’d be best to ask… how often do you DIRECTLY train your abs?

[quote]eightohfive wrote:
MIGHTY STU! off topic question but seeing that you are one cut up, ripped son of a bitch, i thought you’d be best to ask… how often do you DIRECTLY train your abs?[/quote]

Well, if I can succomb to this bit of thread highjacking for a moment…:

Offseason… never
Pre-contest, every 3rd day I do 2-3 exercises before my intervals, nothing too fancy or technical. IMO abs are the muscle group that most people seem to overcomplicate. It’s impossible not to have abdominal development if you’re engaging in heavy compound work on a regular basis.

S

i started the thread, so i can highjack, haha. but really? wow