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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

Now tell me pox what exactly is so offensive about the above post that you have to continue to berate the original poster and all who agree with his original intent?

I’ll be waitig for your answer as I am sincerely interested.

I just answered this in the above post. For the slow ones who need it repeated 15 times, this is not just about this one post. It is about how that scripture posted by Thunderbolt seems to be dismissed and ignored by the simple act of creating so many posts on this forum when all it seems to be doing is turning people AWAY from Christianity.

Again I ask you, WHO is being saved through your tactics? if it doing more harm than good, why do you think you are doing good by continuing? It makes no sense. Who is being converted by your actions? If the answer is “no one”, you are at fault of not listening to that scripture quoted.[/quote]

Probably no one is “being saved” throught this mess which YOU helped create.

Now if you had left it alone as you would respect any other thread then who knows.

The fact that there is more than one Christian thread floating around does not give you the right to attack this thread.

Again reread the original post, there was not one thing wrong with it!

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thunderbolt23, again, great post.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

This does not mean make continuous threads about religion to people who don’t seem to be interested until it upsets them and provokes them.[/quote]

New rules?

Okay next time there is a thread that I don’t particularly like I’ll make sure to enter it and do whatever I can to mess it up, just as you have done here.

No wait…I won’t do that. To do that would take great arrogance. And while I am probably guilty of that sin too, I’m not quite up to that level.

REREAD THE ORIGINAL POST. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

This thread (not speaking for others) was begun with the very best of intentions and did not deserve to be attacked!

What you don’t seem to get is that this is imply your opinion.[/quote]

You know you’re right, it is my opinion.

But for clarification why don’t you simply point out what exactly is wrong with the post.

Now keep in mind that each thread stands on it’s own merit. If someone began a thread on motorcycles does that mean that they should be attacked and ridiculed because there were a few other threads which addressed a “similar” topic?

No, of course not.

The original post:

"Christians have tremendous strength in face of adversity and in times of tribulation. Here’s a story to illustrate my point.

I was speaking to a client the other day, and I come to find out that her husband just passed away due to cancer. He was in his mid-50’s. It was a slow and painful process - very hard on the family emotionally and financially.

As if that isn’t enough, the woman tells me she lost her son a few years ago in a car accident. He was in his early twenties.

Yet, through it all, she finds comfort knowing that she will see them again in heaven. You see, she was from a strong Christian family that put God first, family second, and everything else last.

She is a wonderful example of Christian strength!

I don’t have any great power stories of my own - none like this anyway. So, I share her’s. What I wonder is, does anyone else have similar stories that show the strength and power that comes from Jesus Christ?"

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

But for clarification why don’t you simply point out what exactly is wrong with the post. [/quote]

For the last time, the fact that the many other posts and the responses by those not interested was ignored in its creation. beyond that, there is also the issue of not understanding that Christianity does not hold the only stage as far as showing strength through adversity. On top of that, this wasn’t even his own experience and he said he had none similar to speak of.

On my second point, to ignore that other religions also would respond quite similarly that they have strength through adversity in the creation of this post shows that the poster either doesn’t understand this, doesn’t care, or thinks that he is superior to others who experience adversity while showing strength. Do you understand how that could be gathered from that post? If not, why not, because it is what everyone has been talking about in this thread.

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So very funny. Let’s look at this thread.

It started with an example of the Power of Christ in the Christian life. A great example of a strong Christian overcoming adversity and trial.

Now, it is attacked by people who call themselves Christians but have no evidence in their life (as far as we can see on the forum, at least). Why are these pseudo-Christians so offended? And, how seriously should we take these pseudo-Christians?

MATTHEW 7:15 - “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

ACTS 20:29 - “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.”

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A REMINDER FOR ALL OF YOU WHO SELECTIVELY TAKE FROM THE BIBLE AND ADD TO THE BIBLE:

REVELATION 22:18-19 - "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

TAKE IT AS IT IS OR LEAVE IT. YOU DO YOURSELF MORE HARM WITH THIS SELECTIVE INTERPRETATION.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

But for clarification why don’t you simply point out what exactly is wrong with the post.

For the last time, the fact that the many other posts and the responses by those not interested was ignored in its creation. beyond that, there is also the issue of not understanding that Christianity does not hold the only stage as far as showing strength through adversity. On top of that, this wasn’t even his own experience and he said he had none similar to speak of.

On my second point, to ignore that other religions also would respond quite similarly that they have strength through adversity in the creation of this post shows that the poster either doesn’t understand this, doesn’t care, or thinks that he is superior to others who experience adversity while showing strength. Do you understand how that could be gathered from that post? If not, why not, because it is what everyone has been talking about in this thread.[/quote]

I’m a Christian who started a thread about Christian stength. Are you surprised? If so, that doesn’t speak well for your Christian strength.

If you would like, prof, please feel free to start a thread about muslim strength, atheistic strenght, budhist strength, or whatever you so desire. I have not tried to stop you (nor will I - that’s the beauty of free will).

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
to preach to those unwilling to listen is actually against what God intended.

I would agree with your dear old Dad.

But when someone starts a CHRISTIAN THREAD if it is invaded by atheists/agonstics (from the outset) then Christians should simply pack up and move on.

There is no need to pack up and move on. There is also no need to start SEVERAL threads on religion on this forum if it is clear that the message is not being accepted. That is what has been said from the beginning. This has nothing to do with not wanting to talk about God and everything to do with what that scriptures is talking about. How many more ways does this need to be explained before you get it? This is not about just this one thread but the actions by some claiming they are “True Christians” over the last few weeks.

professor,

I am talking about THIS THREAD! I have never begun a Christian thread. However, when one was started by the name “Power Of Christ” I was naturally interested.

When someone else begins a thread entitled “Tattoos” I am not interested. Therefore, I don’t enter the thread throwing stones at the original poster. If I did do that I would be roundly chastized by my fellow forum members, and they would be right!

If allowed to continue under its original intent this would have been a very inspiring faith building thread for those of us in the Christian faith who wanted to participate. It was never allowed to progress however.

How on earth can you or any of your cohorts justify kicking the door in and crapping all over this thread?

JUST BECAUSE SOME ARE TIRED OF YET ANOTHER CHRISTIAN THREAD?

Not good enough-And I know you are smart enough to realize this!
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Yet another stupid analogy.

The tattoo thread and this one are not equivalent. Had the tattoo thread been about the fact that people who had accepted tattoos into their life were better than non-inked people, then your analogy would be apt.

If the tattoo thread had further degenerated into numbskulls declaring themselves “truly tattooed” and others who did not believe EXACTLY AS THEY DID “false tattoo-ists”, thenyour metaphor would make more sense.

As I recall, there were several posts on the tattoo thread about people’s reasons for not getting tattoos. None of these posters were told they were going to hell.

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[quote]
Don’t forget Mark 7: 20 & 21:

What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. For from within, out of men’s hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."[/quote]

Zeb,

Thanks again for a rational response. Again, let me suggest that the above quote fits in very well with what I have been saying.

If you do any of those things to your neighbor, you are not showing him kindness and mercy – or you are directly in conflict with the commandments.

However, look at the very start of the quote, it is what comes out, it is the actions that a man commits.

It agrees completely with the words of Jesus… why make it more complex than that?

Jesus did not say that we cannot have improper thoughts. Jesus said to obey the fricken rules and treat people well. I find nothing that can override his words.

Can you?

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

But for clarification why don’t you simply point out what exactly is wrong with the post.

For the last time, the fact that the many other posts and the responses by those not interested was ignored in its creation. beyond that, there is also the issue of not understanding that Christianity does not hold the only stage as far as showing strength through adversity. On top of that, this wasn’t even his own experience and he said he had none similar to speak of.

On my second point, to ignore that other religions also would respond quite similarly that they have strength through adversity in the creation of this post shows that the poster either doesn’t understand this, doesn’t care, or thinks that he is superior to others who experience adversity while showing strength. Do you understand how that could be gathered from that post? If not, why not, because it is what everyone has been talking about in this thread.

I’m a Christian who started a thread about Christian stength. Are you surprised? If so, that doesn’t speak well for your Christian strength.

If you would like, prof, please feel free to start a thread about muslim strength, atheistic strenght, budhist strength, or whatever you so desire. I have not tried to stop you (nor will I - that’s the beauty of free will).
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Dude, why this is hard for you to understand is beyond me, but this is the last time I explain to you personally. You started a thread on a PUBLIC bodybuilding forum in a political subdivision on it about Christian strength ignoring the fact that there are other religions and other beliefs who might take offense to how it was presented and then you act surprised that they responded. How does this surprise you? How is it you didn’t think of this? I am all for the discussion of God. I am not all for disregarding on a public forum how others will respond and then acting surprised that they do.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

But for clarification why don’t you simply point out what exactly is wrong with the post.

For the last time, the fact that the many other posts and the responses by those not interested was ignored in its creation.[/quote]

Okay…now I get it.

a handful of atheists/agnostics joined by you, didn’t like it so…bang.

Is this the new rule going forward? So then if I and a few others who don’t like a topic in the future we can enter the thread and wreck it, right?

It seems that it would be okay, by the standard that YOU set here.

Please respond.

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[quote]If allowed to continue under its original intent this would have been a very inspiring faith building thread for those of us in the Christian faith who wanted to participate. It was never allowed to progress however.

How on earth can you or any of your cohorts justify kicking the door in and crapping all over this thread? [/quote]

This is a commercial web site. Discussions of a fervent religious nature can be detrimental to business.

You are in another mans house and harming his business. I consider that trespassing.

Don’t you?

It appears that some of us are trying to kick you back out of this mans house… so that he can conduct his business as he sees fit.

Show me where you are entitled to enter into the house of any man and decide upon the rules of that house just because you want to.

Oh yes, I forgot, this is only me speaking, so I know it must all be completely invalid…

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
to preach to those unwilling to listen is actually against what God intended.

I would agree with your dear old Dad.

But when someone starts a CHRISTIAN THREAD if it is invaded by atheists/agonstics (from the outset) then Christians should simply pack up and move on.

There is no need to pack up and move on. There is also no need to start SEVERAL threads on religion on this forum if it is clear that the message is not being accepted. That is what has been said from the beginning. This has nothing to do with not wanting to talk about God and everything to do with what that scriptures is talking about. How many more ways does this need to be explained before you get it? This is not about just this one thread but the actions by some claiming they are “True Christians” over the last few weeks.

professor,

I am talking about THIS THREAD! I have never begun a Christian thread. However, when one was started by the name “Power Of Christ” I was naturally interested.

When someone else begins a thread entitled “Tattoos” I am not interested. Therefore, I don’t enter the thread throwing stones at the original poster. If I did do that I would be roundly chastized by my fellow forum members, and they would be right!

If allowed to continue under its original intent this would have been a very inspiring faith building thread for those of us in the Christian faith who wanted to participate. It was never allowed to progress however.

How on earth can you or any of your cohorts justify kicking the door in and crapping all over this thread?

JUST BECAUSE SOME ARE TIRED OF YET ANOTHER CHRISTIAN THREAD?

Not good enough-And I know you are smart enough to realize this!

Yet another stupid analogy.

The tattoo thread and this one are not equivalent. Had the tattoo thread been about the fact that people who had accepted tattoos into their life were better than non-inked people, then your analogy would be apt.[/quote]

There is the real “rub.” YOU happen to think that Christians are stating that they are BETTER than you.

It’s sort of like you stating that I hate homosexuals when all I have actually stated was that I was agasinst the act.

You draw some very strange conclusions!

Yes, let’s talk about the “degneration” of the thread. Who did it and why?

It was begun by a Christian and the post was harmless. It was then attacked from the beginning by atheists and agnostics.

So, you guys did a good job and led the way in terms of degenerating the thread.

Ah…and that’s why Christianity causes such divisivness. It is truly offensive in nature to those who are not Christian.

And THE reason that Jesus Christ was killed.

There is only one way.

If I believe in Jesus Christ and you don’t that means everytime you hear the word “Christian” you are thinking that we are “condemning.” Whether anyone even mentions the word “hell” or not, it seems to be what you are projecting that we are saying or implying.

For once our little exchange has proven fruitful.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
A REMINDER FOR ALL OF YOU WHO SELECTIVELY TAKE FROM THE BIBLE AND ADD TO THE BIBLE:

REVELATION 22:18-19 - "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

TAKE IT AS IT IS OR LEAVE IT. YOU DO YOURSELF MORE HARM WITH THIS SELECTIVE INTERPRETATION.[/quote]

Isn’t that cherry picking also?

Revelation at its earliest dating was 64-67AD at its latest dating would be 90AD or later. The Cannon was not officially formed until the fourth century by the counil of nicea.

Also I think this is a clear indication you are taking this verse out of context unless the verse doesn’t really mean the book of revelations as John clearly indicates.

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book”

“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,”

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Okay…now I get it.

a handful of atheists/agnostics joined by you, didn’t like it so…bang.

Is this the new rule going forward? So then if I and a few others who don’t like a topic in the future we can enter the thread and wreck it, right?

It seems that it would be okay, by the standard that YOU set here.

Please respond.
[/quote]

This thread wasn’t even wrecked until a few of you decided you were “True Christians” and that all others who didn’t agree with you were “Untrue Christians”. It was the superior mental state of those who started this thread that helped lead it as far as it went. For some reason, you can’t see the fault in that but you have no problem trying to point out the faults of EVERYONE else.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

There is the real “rub.” YOU happen to think that Christians are stating that they are BETTER than you.[/quote]

Nop, they stated they were better than a lot of people by calling themselves “True Christians” as if everyone else who said they believed in God were “Untrue Christians” for not agreeing with them on how they approached this topic.

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[quote]vroom wrote:

Don’t forget Mark 7: 20 & 21:

What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. For from within, out of men’s hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly."

Zeb,

Thanks again for a rational response. Again, let me suggest that the above quote fits in very well with what I have been saying.

If you do any of those things to your neighbor, you are not showing him kindness and mercy – or you are directly in conflict with the commandments.

However, look at the very start of the quote, it is what comes out, it is the actions that a man commits.

It agrees completely with the words of Jesus… why make it more complex than that?

Jesus did not say that we cannot have improper thoughts. Jesus said to obey the fricken rules and treat people well. I find nothing that can override his words.

Can you?[/quote]

vroom,

I don’t think that we are that far apart on interpretation.

However, I would like to call your attention to more of what Jesus said for further clarification:

Matthew 5:27 & 28:

"You have heard that I was said; Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustuflly has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Jesus is obviously talking about our thoughts. Sinful thoughts.

Yes, we all have them. Doesn’t make them any less sinful.

Also:

Matthew 5: 21 & 22:

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago; Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment…"

You don’t even have to express that anger. Again he is talking about thoughts.

Christianity is not a religion for wimps I’ll tell you that. And we can see why there is room for grace, mercy and forgiveness. As we all fall and must get back up. But hopefully by repenting each time we fall less.

At least that is the hope…

By the way, your knowledge of the scriptures is nothing but impressive! Don’t tell me that not only can you spell better than I can, but also can quote scripture too.

Okay…that sucks!

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Sorry, but I don’t see where any Christians claimed to be better than someone else. Is this what you’re getting from our responses?

It is not arrogant to say that you are a Christian. It is not arrogant to say that you belive in absolutes. It may appear as arrogance to weak people who have no firm convictions of their own.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
If allowed to continue under its original intent this would have been a very inspiring faith building thread for those of us in the Christian faith who wanted to participate. It was never allowed to progress however.

How on earth can you or any of your cohorts justify kicking the door in and crapping all over this thread?

This is a commercial web site. Discussions of a fervent religious nature can be detrimental to business.

You are in another mans house and harming his business. I consider that trespassing.

Don’t you?

It appears that some of us are trying to kick you back out of this mans house… so that he can conduct his business as he sees fit.

Show me where you are entitled to enter into the house of any man and decide upon the rules of that house just because you want to.

Oh yes, I forgot, this is only me speaking, so I know it must all be completely invalid…[/quote]

Is this part of some childhood wish to be a cop? Why do you feel that the owners of this site need your protection?

You are delusional.