This is a first cycle for me, please give me the most realistic feedback as you can.
I don’t want to fuck myself up on cycle.
I am doing 2 month cycle in order to put on notable amount of muscle mass and strength.
I am having this cycle proctored by an endocronologist in Bolivia, and I will only be here for 12 weeks more…so that is the reason it is shortish. I am going to have him look over it for its merits and potential downfalls.
I will eating enough during cycle at around 2,800 to 3,000 calories on the Anabolic diet to maximize results without getting too fat.
Cycle Plan
W 1-9 Test Enth 500mg E3D (Obvious purpose. Should I up this or add some Anavar or Winstrol?)
W 1-10 Anastrozole (Arimidex) 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)
W 1-9 Propecia .5 mg/d (To reduce DHT conversion, and cure a current bald spot)
W 3-9 HCG 250iu 3x/w. (In order to facilitate normal HPTA Balance after)
SERM PCT
W 9-11 HCG 500iu 3x/w , Nolvadex 20mg 2x/d, Aromasin 20mgs/d, Vitamin E 1000iu/d
(Kick start testicles and HPTA)
W 12 Nolvadex 20mgs/d, Aromasin 20mg/d (Restore balance)
W 13-15 Nolvadex 20mg/d (Maintain balance)
Since that is almost exactly the same beginner cycle recommended in the stickeys and espoused by nearly every single member of this board, why do you think you would get any different input because its yours?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Since that is almost exactly the same beginner cycle recommended in the stickeys and espoused by nearly every single member of this board, why do you think you would get any different input because its yours?
2800 calories a day?
Your PCT is not very good.[/quote]
What’s the PCT lacking?
The 9-11 weeks is pointless, IMO. Why are you switching from adex to aromasin mid-cycle? HCG is suppressive so why are you using it during PCT? Why did you think it was a good idea to double your dose of HCG during PCT after keeping your balls active with a lower dose the entire cycle?
Basically everything VTBalla said. Also, 2800 calories a day?
500mg TE E3D is 1166mg/wk. That’s a massive dose for a first cycle. With that much test, you may find that you need to adjust your adex upwards. Since you’re working with an endo, that will be determined by your bloodwork.
No reason to use asin in weeks 9-11, definitely no reason to use nolva or hCG. No reason to do anything except a smaller dose of adex. And vitamin E, I guess, I hear that stuff is good for you. You shouldn’t start nolva until the exogenous test clears. That’s roughly 2 weeks, but if you’re working with an endo, it should be easy to monitor. Just start taking the standard 40/40/20/20 nolva pct when your test levels start getting down around your baseline, right?
Also, and this bears repeating, 2800 calories a day? If you want to pack on muscle, that’s shooting yourself in the foot. I’m also not sure that you will be able to stick to that running that much test. I am running 500mg of prop a week and I’m constantly hungry.
The anabolic diet is also probably not a great choice. It’s intended to help natural athletes maximize testosterone production (I think… I’m sure it also has effects on insulin sensitivity kind of like intermittent fasting). AAS has strong nutrient repartitioning effects - so eat carbs. My approach has been to eat everything in sight that looks like it might have protein in it, and I can still see my top two abs. I’m also getting ready for a powerlifting meet so bloat is a plus. I’m sure if you search around some of the bodybuilding types have talked about their diet on a cycle. I think most people dirty it up and eat pizza, burgers, etc.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
IMO the 2800-3000 cals per day will only be truly effective if you utilise a semi-fasting/nutrient window approach.
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I’m not sure how to take this, would you be willing to elaborate? I think you’re suggesting that if he’s set on eating 2800-3000 cals/day, he should pay more attention to nutrient timing.
I follow and love an intermittent fasting diet with a ~10 hour feeding window most of the year, and it’s very easy to maintain muscle mass and strength, but incredibly hard to gain weight. So when I started my cycle I went back to a more standard meal pattern.
Huh. That’s really interesting, thank you for sharing. I take it you would stick with IF even when cycling AAS, then?
It was extremely easy for me to get lean and maintain my strength while doing IF. In retrospect, I did actually put on some new muscle, but at the time I attributed that to the new stimulus of my high-volume totally-un-powerlifting-like rehab program that was hitting a lot of weak points. In retrospect, I probably didn’t stick with it long enough to hit a new, leaner setpoint and then start moving back up in weight. If I had taken measurements or done some body composition measures, I bet I would have found that I lost fat and gained muscle… hindsight is 20/20.
I think I fell victim to the preconceived notion that IF makes it easy to get lean, but hard to gain weight. Since I wanted to move up an entire weight class on this cycle, even if that meant half of the 25lbs was bloat, being constantly overfed seemed like the thing to do.
I will definitely keep this in mind, though, as I loved IF and intend to eat that way long-term. Even though I told myself (and my wife) that this would be my only cycle… I highly doubt this will be my only cycle So eventually I should be able to evaluate how well IF works when cycling AAS.
So eventually I should be able to evaluate how well IF works when cycling AAS.