Upon re-reading this thread, I thought it would be good for us to have a look at it again. With Passover behind us and Resurrection Day before us, I think it is very healthy to take a “spiritual inventory” of ourselves to see where we will be on moment after Christ comes back to Earth.
Now, for those who are born-again believers in Jesus Christ – Heaven and God’s eternal glory await.
For those who reject, scoff, and otherwise refuse to submit to the God of the Bible – A burning Lake of Fire awaits you where you will be punished for all eternity.
Accept God’s free gift of Salvation:
“For God so loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting [eternal] life.”
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
For those who reject, scoff, and otherwise refuse to submit to the God of the Bible – A burning Lake of Fire awaits you where you will be punished for all eternity.[/quote]
Still deriving joy and satisfaction from imagining that people who disagree with you will be tortured forever?
Still deriving joy and satisfaction from imagining that people who disagree with you will be tortured forever?[/quote]
Apparently also still deriving joy from trying to sit and hold the gavel that, if you follow Christian belief, only God Himself has the right to hold.
SteveO has anointed himself Master Judge over humanity - he arrogantly knows who is going to heaven and who isn’t, just read his posts - and I am trying to think of a bigger affront to the Big Guy than that solitary act of conceit.
I was flipping channels and came across TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) last night. I usually stop for a quick chuckle - and Kirk Cameron was talking about how we, as people, create God in an image of our liking (against the commandment thou shalt not create a graven image of God). We must worship in a way that some other man says, not ourselves. And how do we worship today? To a cross with a dying man. An Image.
Besides noticing how nowhere Kirk Cameron went in his career, I find it interesting: that when Moses came down from Mount Sinai, there was an idol made of gold, to which he was furious. Idolatry. Today, Moses should feel the same way. We pray to a symbol, thereby forgetting what God said: I am that I am. That doesn’t mean Jesus, a cross, a lamb or some other icon of faith. God was specifically “Indeterminant.”
As an aside, the jewish faith did, once upon a time, commit animal sacrifice. Killing to appease God. Does “thou shalt not kill” mean something? I enjoy these tidbits of seemingly contradictory elements of… faith? This breeds healthy skepticism.
[quote]pookie wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
For those who reject, scoff, and otherwise refuse to submit to the God of the Bible – A burning Lake of Fire awaits you where you will be punished for all eternity.
Still deriving joy and satisfaction from imagining that people who disagree with you will be tortured forever?
What a sad way to go through life.
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Actually, I imagine what it will be like when I depart from this world and enter into the Throne Room of Almighty God.
As for those who disagree with me – who cares.
The problem, Pookie, is that there is a Hell to pay for those who disagree with God…
Still deriving joy and satisfaction from imagining that people who disagree with you will be tortured forever?
Apparently also still deriving joy from trying to sit and hold the gavel that, if you follow Christian belief, only God Himself has the right to hold.
SteveO has anointed himself Master Judge over humanity - he arrogantly knows who is going to heaven and who isn’t, just read his posts - and I am trying to think of a bigger affront to the Big Guy than that solitary act of conceit.[/quote]
Not sure if God would be pleased at your using the quite disrespectful and familiar “Big Guy” when referring to Him, but you apparently still don’t get it.
All I ever do is just proclaim what God has already said in His Word – the Bible. You should pick it up sometime and actually read it to see what He has to say.
[quote]kroby wrote:
I was flipping channels and came across TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) last night. I usually stop for a quick chuckle - and Kirk Cameron was talking about how we, as people, create God in an image of our liking (against the commandment thou shalt not create a graven image of God). We must worship in a way that some other man says, not ourselves. And how do we worship today? To a cross with a dying man. An Image.
Besides noticing how nowhere Kirk Cameron went in his career, I find it interesting: that when Moses came down from Mount Sinai, there was an idol made of gold, to which he was furious. Idolatry. Today, Moses should feel the same way. We pray to a symbol, thereby forgetting what God said: I am that I am. That doesn’t mean Jesus, a cross, a lamb or some other icon of faith. God was specifically “Indeterminant.”
As an aside, the jewish faith did, once upon a time, commit animal sacrifice. Killing to appease God. Does “thou shalt not kill” mean something? I enjoy these tidbits of seemingly contradictory elements of… faith? This breeds healthy skepticism.[/quote]
Kroby, there really isn’t any controversy. God does not allow sin in His Holy presence. The animal sacrifices described in Tenach covered sin for the nation of Israel and her people while pointing toward the sacrifice of God’s Son (Psalm 2; Isaiah 52:12-53:13).
The Bible teaches in the NT that Jesus is very God (Jn 1:1 for example; John 10 and other places). Jesus clearly taught that He is the only way.
Since an idol worship is the worshipping of that which is not God, Jesus is exempted because He is God!
Not sure if God would be pleased at your using the quite disrespectful and familiar “Big Guy” when referring to Him, but you apparently still don’t get it. [/quote]
Not sure if you need to worry about such harmless things. And I get it just fine.
I have read the Bible, and my version doesn’t say anything about Christians running forth and acting in the supreme role that God alone is entitled to - judge.
And, nowhere in my Bible is there a chapter that says SteveO gets to sit in the big chair with the gavel. Moreover, your approach - haughty, arrogant, and smug - drives more people away from the message of Christianity than towards it, and I suspect that can’t make God happy.
SteveO, you are completely transparent - your goal is to irritate non-believers, not convert them. That is fine - just stop pretending otherwise.
SteveO, you are completely transparent - your goal is to irritate non-believers, not convert them. That is fine - just stop pretending otherwise.[/quote]
He does not irritate me, he just convinces me that this is a topic that we might have to discuss with guns, if he or people like him get close to making laws somewhere I live.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Actually, I imagine what it will be like when I depart from this world and enter into the Throne Room of Almighty God.[/quote]
Better be careful, most people don’t like it when you walk in on them as they’re sitting on the throne.
On that occasion, remember that is it completely appropriate to loudly say: “Holy Shit!”
You do. A lot. Why else waste all that time condemning them to eternal suffering? Why don’t you use that time to do something good instead? Alleviate someone’s suffering? Lend a helping hand somewhere? Reduce the overall suffering in this world instead of pettily gloating over the imagined fate of anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as you do?
Your distorted faith is a very ugly thing, you should stop parading it like a peacock.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
The Bible teaches in the NT that Jesus is very God (Jn 1:1 for example; John 10 and other places). Jesus clearly taught that He is the only way.[/quote]
Krom was my god he lives on a mountain, I prayed to him for revenge but he did not listen so I said to hell with you, and went with the 4 winds. This god is greater. It is the everlasting sky, Krom lives beneath him. Actually I’m down with Jesus Steveo
Here’s where we seperate the men from the boys (not their ‘boys’, btw ;D)
Anyone who is an honest to God atheist (is that an oxymoron? ;), simply post that you wish to be chewed eternally in the Jaws of Satan. This will help determine who is simply ripping on Steve and who is a real hard core atheist. Afterall, if there is no afterlife, nothing to fear, right?
[quote]pookie wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
The Bible teaches in the NT that Jesus is very God (Jn 1:1 for example; John 10 and other places). Jesus clearly taught that He is the only way.
I’d worry more about Luke 6:37 if I were you.
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Damn, Pookie! You sure know your Bible! My hat is most definitely off!!
One of his students asked Buddha, “Are you the messiah?”
“No”, answered Buddha.
“Then are you a healer?”
“No”, Buddha replied.
“Then are you a teacher?” the student persisted.
“No, I am not a teacher.”
“Then what are you?” asked the student, exasperated.
“I am awake”, Buddha replied.
I’m definitely Christian, with very traditional beliefs, in fact. However, I don’t presume to judge that someone will be cast into hellfire upon death. Nor, do I approve of using my faith to antagonize people into these kind of hopeless debates.
I have to say, the proselytizing from the believers and non-believers in this thread isn’t my thing. I prefer the company of my religious and non-religious friends who refrain from antagonizing and ridiculing each other. And now I make my exit from this thread.