Same with me, tried lots of stuff, steroids, drugs, you name it.
Testosterone in high enough doses does give me libido, but it actually makes my ED worse and also gives me PE. So it’s pretty frustrating, being horny but not really able to perform properly. DHT steroids did nothing, apart making my physique better, at some point they tire me out.
Sleep is still my biggest issue as i’m never fully rested. I had one night about a year ago when i actually slept like a normal person, was out for 8.5 hours and woke up refreshed like i used to every day before this mess. The feeling of being well rested and sharp bought tears to my eyes, also that day i rememeber as being the happiest day of the last 3-4 years, didn’t do anything special but it just felt so damn good to be rested.
I actually made an intersting observation, when i withdraw from testosterone shots, like 8-9th day after a shot of enanthate i actually get normal boners suddenly. After that being shit down sucks but after 6 weeks that starts feeling better but the erections don’t return…
I wish i could help you, but i can’t even help myself.
This is just my theory - but I have never been diagnosed w PFS and I am not even sure if that’s possible - but in my late 20s I thought my hair was thinning due to MPB. In hindsight I think I had a systemic inflammatory process going on that was undiagnosed and not addressed. Somehow that was slowly and slyly attacking my body including hair follicles causing a gradual thinning. Regardless I took dutasteride. It was a knee jerk response and the dut was the new off label darling of the MPB “cure”. To make matters worse I took it at a high level for a few years. During that time I was dating a hot girl and I never noticed a dip in mood or libido - that came years later. More recently - over the last few years - a lot of info has come out about how bad dut and fin are for young guys and their hormones and wellbeing.
That said I have addressed some underlying autoimmune stuff and then shifted to hormone health. Recently I added low dose mast to trt and I feel like it’s helping. A few years back I ran 200 primo with low dose test and my biomarkers looked great but I didn’t get a huge libido surge or mood lift. With mast I feel it more (even at 50 a week) than I ever did on the primo protocol. For the record it’s 100% not placebo. Even my wife is calling me out on my recent flirtiness, better attitude, and sexual aggressiveness
I am interested in reading more of the responses as I feel like fin syndrome isn’t discussed a lot. In my case I think I either fcked up my dht or my dht receptors. (My dht levels have never shown to be horrendously off which makes this more confusing). Either way I could tell something was off. I think the term is adoneia? Just a lack of motivation or zest - like a low level weird blah mood but not enough to call it a clinical depression. My new protocol is only 2 weeks old but I already feel happier. I hope this helps
Interesting - really good info here. I just commented on how I feel like mast has helped me more so than adding low dose primo. Do you think it’s because I am getting a more androgenic effect from mast and likely didn’t get that from the primo/test?
We actually have a lot of similar issues. I have done multiple sleep studies and even a surgery when I was 30 to open my airway just to see if that would help me rest when i sleep.
The lack of sleep I think carries a lot of burden on neurotransmitter production. I never fully rested so I never recharged or reset my brain chemistry at night. Pre-surgery I would take lunesta at night then adderall during the day. After the operation I quit all sleep meds. I was given Wellbutrin a few year ago as I wanted to try a non stimulant for focus at work and oddly enough I slept better and had better focus so have been tryin to connect the dots over the last few years between dopamine and testosterone (or dht) and sleep. I felt more grounded when taking Wellbutrin while adderall kind of makes me feel like I have energy but it’s uncontrolled - like a fire hose just thrashing about. On the off chance I would sleep well and get actual rest I would feel like a new person - just night and difference in my mood
I don’t want to hijack the thread and go on and on but A few years ago I took a combo pill that had some GH secretagouges as well as some high powered low dose anabolics (M1T for example) and over the month I took that I slept like a baby and really felt better overall. My assumption is the GH boost helped with sleep and well as immune response and inflammation and the dht based androgens helped as well