We have little children, 5 year olds, who have been caught acting out what they have seen in porn. I’m not joking when I say there are little kids talking about things like anal.
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The problem is you can do the right thing with your kids but when they are at school and a classmate shows them porn on his phone, what can you do about it?
How will you keep your children from accessing porn?
I can get to pornhub through my TV if i wanted to.
We have a four year old turning five in weeks and control access to porn, just like any other age inappropriate thing.
Alcohol could kill our daughter but I’m not going to demonize Buffalo Trace for making bourbon.
I’m not suggesting porn should be consumed by children, but this trope about demonizing it is really no different than the anti-gun crowd blaming inanimate objects for murder, bud light advertisements turning people gay and other argument deflecting personal responsibility, which I won’t buy in to.
Access to porn is more valuable than a police/mommy state and if you don’t want to consume it, then don’t.
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I don’t know. A study of human sexuality could be interesting. The Romans, Babylonians, Greeks, various Asian cultures et cetera have been pretty damn wild. Today we are seeing more robust sexuality than we did in a sort of puritan American time period, but I would argue puritan outlook is the outlier in the grand scheme. Repressive by nature and via punishment feedback mechanisms for indulgence. The desires for sex were always there, including fringe kinks which have likely always been fringe.
Do we really want to follow suit with the likes of every great civilization that’s fallen?
I don’t buy the false narrative that a civilization can last in a static form forever.
But to address your question, The Romans were around a lot longer than we will be, and it wasn’t sex that destroyed them. Interestingly, in large part, it was the cultural shift to Christianity and away from their status quo that began rupturing their culture alongside pretty devastating military losses.
Do you believe that Roman sexual practices ended their reign?
No, but an obsession with sex and gender has been the marker for the end of multiple civilizations. I think it’s a symptom, not a cause.
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Confusing sex between consenting adults in the privacy of their own spaces and pornography/prostitution is part of the problem.
The porn industry is full of predatory dirt bags and broken women who are barely adults.
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I disagree. Sex is a natural human function with an incredibly strong drive. Some cultures sought to limit that drive, some embraced it. People confuse correlation and causation with the rise and fall of societies. Usually churches from a bully pulpit of sorts, then special interest groups who champion the message.
The aforementioned major societies who’ve left arguably the largest legacy marks on humanity were having as much sex prior to and at their peaks as they were during their downfalls, which occurred for totally unrelated reasons in every documented historical account.
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So why should prostitution be illegal? If I want to sell sex to women and they want to pay me for it, or vice versa, how is it your business or concern?
If an adult woman wants to get paid for having sex on a video to be sold, how is that your business? Don’t buy it. If the porn industry was tying you to a chair, stapling your eyes open and forcing you to watch I would agree, but this isn’t the case.
You may have a case around the predatory nature of some producers but this is an individual problem and not related to the production and consumption of porn itself. Stolen vids come to mind, like Pamela Anderson, and the whole “leaked” genre in general. But that’s another animal than porn itself.
Suburban MLMs are incredibly predatory too. Should we root out illegal and predatory pyramid schemes or just make Tupperware altogether illegal and bad?
Whether or not it should be illegal doesn’t change the fact that prostitutes are broken people. I wouldn’t pay to have sex with anyone, especially not someone that’s broken.
I think there is some ignorance being shown when talking about sex and the Ancient Romans. Modesty was a Roman virtue as was self control.
May or may not be true. Blanket statements don’t hold much water. There’s a big difference between a homeless drug addict sucking cock for $5 and a $5,000 per night call girl visiting Vegas high baller rooms. I’m willing to bet the call girl is a happy and willing participant making a deliberate choice, and there’s a spectrum all the way down to crack addicts. Your preference, as is mine, is not paying for sex. Still not my business is someone else wants to, and finds a seller.
Porn is likely more in line with the Vegas call girl. Some women have left porn regretfully, some haven’t. Same as any walk of life.
I think a casual view of sex rubs you wrong and you automatically see it as broken, but casual sex doesn’t make a person inherently broken anymore than playing basketball does. - even though some broken people have played basketball.
And it’s your prerogative. Nobody will force you in to sex you don’t want, hopefully. Conversely, don’t force people out of sex they do want. Stay in your lane and mind your business.
And extrapolate that much wider than sex.
It’s the similarities that matter.
That’s fucking crazy.
The best I can… I mean, yes, it will be difficult.
I’m a generation or two after you so Napster and the like wasn’t really a thing for me, but we had our own places/websites where it was pretty easy to unintentionally stumble across stuff.
As far as the boys, personally, I’d say no smart phones. I wasn’t allowed to have one until I was like 17 or 18. At that point, I could’ve easily just gotten one myself and kept it a secret, but I guess I didn’t care enough. I’ve got two brothers, 15 and almost 17. They don’t have phones. My son is 3 and I don’t intend on getting him a phone.
I still saw plenty of porn, and any friend of mine who did have a smart phone could pull it up in seconds, and I know this is the case for my brothers, but it at least means they can’t view things whenever they want. They can’t be alone in their rooms looking stuff up or having their friends send stuff to them. Maybe they can access it at school or a friend’s house but at least while on their own, it’s not an option.
A lot of people would probably consider not giving a child a smart phone child abuse, but even if porn wasn’t an issue, there’s a million reasons why children shouldn’t have phones and social media. And as someone who grew up without one when nearly everyone else had one, it wasn’t that hard. My friends knew the deal and I’d just (gasp!) call them up on the landline when we wanted to hang out.
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Again, keep your personal preferences to yourself and don’t worry about what other people are doing. It’s none of your business and nobody needs you to think or believe for them believe it or not.
Its the biological imperative of every form of life on earth to reproduce. Theres some variation on how, but thats about it.
I always find these convos interesting, and by and large agree with you.
Other than to say, if the powers that be do demonize or attempt to regulate it further, they should do it for the right reasons. It is predatory to an extent, as Zecarllo states. It absolutely shouldn’t be accessed by children either.
But turning people gay? GTFOH. We all know how the thumbnails work. If someone sees a tranny and manages to crank one out once or repeatedly, to the point of it shattering their identity (as was explained in the vid) then porn isnt the problem. Their ability to be honest with themselves about who they actually are is. Cuz thats just straight up gay.
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