[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Anyone who thinks porn is healthy or that it does not or can not become an ENORMOUS problem or addiction on par with any drug is dangerously misinformed.
The science and thousands, probably more like millions of case studies say otherwise. It is extremely unhealthy.
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Are you saying ANY amount of porn is unhealthy?[/quote]
Is ANY amount of cocaine healthy? [/quote]
Can you OD on titties?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Did not see that the link had already been posted, but it bears posting twice, anyway. [/quote]
The porn issue is certainly debatable; however that site is bad science or not really science.
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How so?[/quote]
Genuinely curious here. Because if youāll read the forums, you will discover a LOT of people with the exact problem the site addresses, and a LOT of people who are cured of this problem by following the recommendations laid out on that self-same site. [/quote]
Iād say that its attributing causality when there is nothing but dubious correlation. Since the site uses evolution in the subtitle we were evolved with the intention of fucking as much as possible. So perhaps its something else that is wrong that is lowering their sex drive or ability. If the nixxing porn helps them to eliminate their ED great. Probably some test shots would do the trick too.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Porn is HORRIBLE for peopleā¦ It can lead to ED and even makes alot of people have issues getting it on with real life girlsā¦ http://yourbrainonporn.com/
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So um are there any articles that are peer reviewed on the site? Or even any that arenāt by the admin of the site? Or any that have been submitted to any reputable publication?
Cāmon man.
I could start a website and only submit āarticlesā by me espousing my position. Do you think conclusions that are factual could be drawn from that site?
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Why not look for yourself, if you are actually interested in anything other than naysaying. Do you have an argument with the science, or is this just the standard internet fare. NOT PEER REVIEWED SQWAWK! Thosands upon thousands of guys on the forums using the information on that site and finding help and relief from a horrible addiction is not enough for me to acknowledge someone might be on to something because THE PEER REVEIWSSQWAK![/quote]
I looked. I saw no content by anyone other than the site host and personal anecdotes.
Horrible addiction to what? Orgasms?
Let me do a personal case study. When I was in high school I could get hard when the wind blew. After years and years of sex and masturbation well it takes more than the wind but dammit I can still get hard. Thus porn has not hurt me. Thus its not bad.
Is that science? If I get a thousand similar anecdotes does it make it fact?
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Letās speak plainly. Letās say there are not a thousand, but THOUSANDS upon thousands of guys with these symptoms: erectile dysfunction that typically occurs only after the initiation of sex, who cannot achieve orgasm with another human without extraordinary stimulation, who cannot achieve orgasm through vaginal sex at all, who quickly lose erection after initiation of sex, who masturbate for literally HOURS on end day after day, or for multiple times, whose addiction to porn/masturbation/sex has begun to negatively affect their lives, who have literally lost their families because of this addiction, who have altogether lost interest in sex with real living humans because porn is so much more stimulating and they have become so hyperstimulated that real sex has lost any effect it once had upon them. Who are becoming ever more disassociated from humanity.
And then you give them an answer. You show this LARGE group of mostly (but not all) males that ceasing looking at porn and masturbating can cure them of this problem, give them their lives back, and vastly improve the quality of their self-esteem along with all of the relationships in their lives.
But the science is bad. So fuck all that.
Do I have that right?
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Anyone who thinks porn is healthy or that it does not or can not become an ENORMOUS problem or addiction on par with any drug is dangerously misinformed.
The science and thousands, probably more like millions of case studies say otherwise. It is extremely unhealthy.
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Are you saying ANY amount of porn is unhealthy?[/quote]
Is ANY amount of cocaine healthy? [/quote]
Can you OD on titties?[/quote]
imhungry, did you at least watch the initial video in the OP?
[quote]groo wrote:
Probably some test shots would do the trick too.
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Trust me, that is not the issue.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I know this is not going to get a lot of support on this site, but the way porn affects the brain, no, is NOT healthy.
Have a look at the site before launching into knee-jerk reactions. Iām not interested in engaging folks that just want to shit all over something that have not taken a lick of time to look into.
Not saying thatās you, imhungry, I can just see whatās coming.[/quote]
See, I KNOW it can be unhealthy, Cortes. I wonāt argue that.
But, I look at naked women on a regular basis (along with my wife) and it doesnāt have a negative effect on me, whatsoever. I donāt masturbate to porn, fwiwā¦
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Anyone who thinks porn is healthy or that it does not or can not become an ENORMOUS problem or addiction on par with any drug is dangerously misinformed.
The science and thousands, probably more like millions of case studies say otherwise. It is extremely unhealthy.
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Are you saying ANY amount of porn is unhealthy?[/quote]
Is ANY amount of cocaine healthy? [/quote]
Yes.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Porn is HORRIBLE for peopleā¦ It can lead to ED and even makes alot of people have issues getting it on with real life girlsā¦ http://yourbrainonporn.com/
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So um are there any articles that are peer reviewed on the site? Or even any that arenāt by the admin of the site? Or any that have been submitted to any reputable publication?
Cāmon man.
I could start a website and only submit āarticlesā by me espousing my position. Do you think conclusions that are factual could be drawn from that site?
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Why not look for yourself, if you are actually interested in anything other than naysaying. Do you have an argument with the science, or is this just the standard internet fare. NOT PEER REVIEWED SQWAWK! Thosands upon thousands of guys on the forums using the information on that site and finding help and relief from a horrible addiction is not enough for me to acknowledge someone might be on to something because THE PEER REVEIWSSQWAK![/quote]
I looked. I saw no content by anyone other than the site host and personal anecdotes.
Horrible addiction to what? Orgasms?
Let me do a personal case study. When I was in high school I could get hard when the wind blew. After years and years of sex and masturbation well it takes more than the wind but dammit I can still get hard. Thus porn has not hurt me. Thus its not bad.
Is that science? If I get a thousand similar anecdotes does it make it fact?
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Letās speak plainly. Letās say there are not a thousand, but THOUSANDS upon thousands of guys with these symptoms: erectile dysfunction that typically occurs only after the initiation of sex, who cannot achieve orgasm with another human without extraordinary stimulation, who cannot achieve orgasm through vaginal sex at all, who quickly lose erection after initiation of sex, who masturbate for literally HOURS on end day after day, or for multiple times, whose addiction to porn/masturbation/sex has begun to negatively affect their lives, who have literally lost their families because of this addiction, who have altogether lost interest in sex with real living humans because porn is so much more stimulating and they have become so hyperstimulated that real sex has lost any effect it once had upon them. Who are becoming ever more disassociated from humanity.
And then you give them an answer. You show this LARGE group of mostly (but not all) males that ceasing looking at porn and masturbating can cure them of this problem, give them their lives back, and vastly improve the quality of their self-esteem along with all of the relationships in their lives.
But the science is bad. So fuck all that.
Do I have that right? [/quote]
Well you could conclude that porn is bad for those guys. But you were saying no amount of porn is good for anyone I assume. So thats where I think the science bit likely needs to be called into question.
If Iād really hazard a guess Iād say men with a lower sex drive for whatever reason are effected by this and if this helps them its a great answer.
That site is fucking brimming with peer reviewed studies. It takes a bit more than a shitty attitude and a superficial glance, if you are actually interested in discovering the truth, and not afraid to look, though.
These are just from clicking around a couple of links on the first damned page.
http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/Costa.Masturbation.PDF
http://biblioteca.cinvestav.mx/indicadores/texto_completo/cinvestav/2009/158474_1.pdf
http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/Isfahan.students.pdf
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/49/19900.abstract?sid=0cf22931-de4d-4007-b02a-68bc54c4285d
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I donāt masturbate to porn, fwiwā¦[/quote]
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[quote]groo wrote:
If Iād really hazard a guess Iād say men with a lower sex drive for whatever reason are effected by this and if this helps them its a great answer.
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I am not engaging you on this any longer. It is clear you are only interested in arguing your biases. Even a cursory study of that site would have very quickly revealed exactly the opposite of what you are conjecturing here to be the case.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Porn is HORRIBLE for peopleā¦ It can lead to ED and even makes alot of people have issues getting it on with real life girlsā¦ http://yourbrainonporn.com/
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So um are there any articles that are peer reviewed on the site? Or even any that arenāt by the admin of the site? Or any that have been submitted to any reputable publication?
Cāmon man.
I could start a website and only submit āarticlesā by me espousing my position. Do you think conclusions that are factual could be drawn from that site?
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Why not look for yourself, if you are actually interested in anything other than naysaying. Do you have an argument with the science, or is this just the standard internet fare. NOT PEER REVIEWED SQWAWK! Thosands upon thousands of guys on the forums using the information on that site and finding help and relief from a horrible addiction is not enough for me to acknowledge someone might be on to something because THE PEER REVEIWSSQWAK![/quote]
I looked. I saw no content by anyone other than the site host and personal anecdotes.
Horrible addiction to what? Orgasms?
Let me do a personal case study. When I was in high school I could get hard when the wind blew. After years and years of sex and masturbation well it takes more than the wind but dammit I can still get hard. Thus porn has not hurt me. Thus its not bad.
Is that science? If I get a thousand similar anecdotes does it make it fact?
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Letās speak plainly. Letās say there are not a thousand, but THOUSANDS upon thousands of guys with these symptoms: erectile dysfunction that typically occurs only after the initiation of sex, who cannot achieve orgasm with another human without extraordinary stimulation, who cannot achieve orgasm through vaginal sex at all, who quickly lose erection after initiation of sex, who masturbate for literally HOURS on end day after day, or for multiple times, whose addiction to porn/masturbation/sex has begun to negatively affect their lives, who have literally lost their families because of this addiction, who have altogether lost interest in sex with real living humans because porn is so much more stimulating and they have become so hyperstimulated that real sex has lost any effect it once had upon them. Who are becoming ever more disassociated from humanity.
And then you give them an answer. You show this LARGE group of mostly (but not all) males that ceasing looking at porn and masturbating can cure them of this problem, give them their lives back, and vastly improve the quality of their self-esteem along with all of the relationships in their lives.
But the science is bad. So fuck all that.
Do I have that right? [/quote]
Well you could conclude that porn is bad for those guys. But you were saying no amount of porn is good for anyone I assume. So thats where I think the science bit likely needs to be called into question.
If Iād really hazard a guess Iād say men with a lower sex drive for whatever reason are effected by this and if this helps them its a great answer.
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For the record, I do not believe admiring a pair of boobies is unhealthy. I love boobies.
I DO believe that taking your dick out and whacking off to the boobies while fantasizing about them IS biologically and spiritually unhealthy.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I donāt masturbate to porn, fwiwā¦[/quote]
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Ok, so am I ok with LOOKING at naked women, as long as I donāt masturbate to them? 
An increasing amount of research has suggested that Internet addiction is associated with abnormalities in the dopaminergic brain system. We hypothesized that Internet addiction would be associated with reduced levels of dopaminergic receptor availability in the striatum compared with controls. To test this hypothesis, a radiolabeled ligand [C]raclopride and positron emission tomography was used to assess dopamine D2 receptor binding potential in men with and without Internet addiction. Consistent with our prediction, individuals with Internet addiction showed reduced levels of dopamine D2 receptor availability in subdivisions of the striatum including the bilateral dorsal caudate and right putamen. This finding contributes to the understanding of neurobiological mechanism of Internet addiction.
is the first abstract.
As the worldās fastest growing āaddictionā, Internet addiction should be studied to unravel the potential heterogeneity. The present study is set to examine reward and punishment processing in Internet addicts as compared to healthy controls while they subjectively experience monetary gain and loss during the performance of a guessing task. The results showed that Internet addicts associated with increased activation in orbitofrontal cortex in gain trials and decreased anterior cingulate activation in loss trials than normal controls. The results suggested that Internet addicts have enhanced reward sensitivity and decreased loss sensitivity than normal comparisons.
is the secondā¦this one would lead me more to think gaming actually for certain it mirrors old research by sony.
This is the thirdā¦which seems not relevant at all to the point at hand but it does seem interesting.
OBJECTIVE:
To observe the effects of comprehensive therapy (CT) with electroacupuncture (EA) in combination with psycho-intervention (PI) on the cognitive function and event-related potentials (ERP), P300 and mismatch negativity (MMN), in patients with internet addiction (IA) for a preliminary exploration of the possible mechanism of the therapy.
METHODS:
One hundred and twenty patients with IA were randomly divided into three groups, and a total of 112 subjects reached the final analysis of the trial, the EA group (39 patients), the PI group (36 patients) and the CT group (37 patients). EA was applied at acupoints Baihui (GV20), Sishencong (EX-HN1), Hegu (LI4), Neiguan (PC6), Taichong (LR3) and Sanyinjiao (SP6), once every other day; PI with the cognitionbehavior mode was implemented every 4 days; both EA and PI were used in the CT group. The treatment course for all patients was 40 days. Changes before and after treatment in terms of scoring by the IA self-rating scale, short-term memory capacity, short-term memory span, and the latency and amplitude of P300 and MMN in patients were observed.
RESULTS:
After treatment, in all groups, the IA score was lowered significantly (P <0.05) and scores of short-term memory capacity and short-term memory span increased significantly (P <0.05), while the decreased IA score in the CT group was more significant than that in the other two groups (P <0.05). ERP measurements showed that P300 latency was depressed and its amplitude raised in the EA group; MMN amplitude increased in the CT group (all P<0.05).
CONCLUSION:
The EA in combination with PI could improve the cognitive function of IA patients, and its mechanism might be related to the speedup of cerebral discrimination on external stimulus and the enhancement of effective resource mobilization during information processing of the brain.
Another abstract
Humans are adept at switching between goal-directed behaviors quickly and effectively. The prefrontal cortex (PFC) is thought to play a critical role by encoding, updating, and maintaining internal representations of task context in working memory. It has also been hypothesized that the encoding of context representations in PFC is regulated by phasic dopamine gating signals. Here we use multimodal methods to test these hypotheses. First we used functional MRI (fMRI) to identify regions of PFC associated with the representation of context in a working memory task. Next we used single-pulse transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), guided spatially by our fMRI findings and temporally by previous event-related EEG recordings, to disrupt context encoding while participants performed the same working memory task. We found that TMS pulses to the right dorsolateral PFC (DLPFC) immediately after context presentation, and well in advance of the response, adversely impacted context-dependent relative to context-independent responses. This finding causally implicates right DLPFC function in context encoding. Finally, using the same paradigm, we conducted high-resolution fMRI measurements in brainstem dopaminergic nuclei (ventral tegmental area and substantia nigra) and found phasic responses after presentation of context stimuli relative to other stimuli, consistent with the timing of a gating signal that regulates the encoding of representations in PFC. Furthermore, these responses were positively correlated with behavior, as well as with responses in the same region of right DLPFC targeted in the TMS experiment, lending support to the hypothesis that dopamine phasic signals regulate encoding, and thereby the updating, of context representations in PFC.
yet another with nothing necessarily to do with pornā¦
In recent years, internet addiction disorder (IAD) has become more prevalent worldwide and the recognition of its devastating impact on the users and society has rapidly increased. However, the neurobiological mechanism of IAD has not bee fully expressed. The present study was designed to determine if the striatal dopamine transporter (DAT) levels measured by
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-TRODAT-1 uptake ratio of corpus striatum/the whole brain (Ra) were calculated using mathematical models. It was displayed that DAT expression level of striatum was significantly decreased and the V, W, and Ra were greatly reduced in the individuals with IAD compared to controls. Taken together, these results suggest that IAD may cause serious damages to the brain and the neuroimaging findings further illustrate IAD is associated with dysfunctions in the dopaminergic brain systems. Our findings also support the claim that IAD may share similar neurobiological abnormalities with other addictive disorders.
The only abstracts I didnāt check were ones that flagged as poor security risks.
I really donāt care too much about this issue but none of those abstracts draw any type of correlation to PORN.
They simply say internet addiction which Iād assume could be to gaming, browsing, messaging or whatever as much if not moreso than porn because after all one can only masturbate so often and during the refraction period you need to do something else like post in the Tnation Get a Life section.
To connect these studies to porn per se is dubious at best.
What if someone with ED engaged in this process and it didnāt help them?
How about people who watch a lot of porn and donāt have ED. Iād imagine that number is pretty high too, might even be thousands.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I donāt masturbate to porn, fwiwā¦[/quote]
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Ok, so am I ok with LOOKING at naked women, as long as I donāt masturbate to them?
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Gtg, bro.
If anyone is going to claim to be on one side of the discussion or the other they should be sure to look into some research firstā¦ The reason I was stating its negative and adverse effects is because I looked into the topic before and noticed certain trends like the things outlined in the articlesā¦ One of the biggest things being that younger generations raised on high speed internet will be far more susceptible to damage then those that initially in youth did not have excess to these type of extreme activity, I donāt understand why some people need hardcore evidence to see the effect, you have thousands of people coming up with the same issues and some that fully recover from the same central causeā¦ Its not just with pornā¦ it discusses the central theme of all addictions and their shared qualities such as information, food, sex, gambling etcā¦ anything that does not add in things normally not attainable to the brain, obviously drugs are a category of its ownā¦ you canāt reproduce the effects of heroin naturallyā¦ Also stating that any desensitization done to the brain by these addictions IS reversibleā¦
[quote]groo wrote:
What if someone with ED engaged in this process and it didnāt help them?
How about people who watch a lot of porn and donāt have ED. Iād imagine that number is pretty high too, might even be thousands.
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Iām sure there are both of these kinds of cases.
Thatās not who the site is directed at.
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
If anyone is going to claim to be on one side of the discussion or the other they should be sure to look into some research firstā¦ The reason I was stating its negative and adverse effects is because I looked into the topic before and noticed certain trends like the things outlined in the articlesā¦ One of the biggest things being that younger generations raised on high speed internet will be far more susceptible to damage then those that initially in youth did not have excess to these type of extreme activity, I donāt understand why some people need hardcore evidence to see the effect, you have thousands of people coming up with the same issues and some that fully recover from the same central causeā¦ Its not just with pornā¦ it discusses the central theme of all addictions and their shared qualities such as information, food, sex, gambling etcā¦ anything that does not add in things normally not attainable to the brain, obviously drugs are a category of its ownā¦ you canāt reproduce the effects of heroin naturallyā¦ Also stating that any desensitization done to the brain by these addictions IS reversibleā¦ [/quote]
Yes. Good post.
Follow the dopamine.
Wasnāt this posted like a month ago or something? Everybody reacts differently. I watch porn daily and the days I see my girl we have sex like 2 or 3 times a day. The question is, is there anybody on this board who has ED from watching too much porn!?!