Im sure most of here already understand the Congress has the purse strings, regardless of Budget recommendation, and Pres only signs or not.
So much for your lackluster “gotcha” statement.
But l would be interested in some examples of GOP making these promises, while Liberals never do.
Maybe I’ll just look at the current Dem promises on the stump, so l can see how they are not promising medicare for all, raising taxes, free college, childcare, monthly stipends, gun control, immigration/citizen reforms, etc.
How many of these do you think actually happen because a Dem wins?
I mean we did just have a president who promised healthcare for all at a cheaper price, a massive wall paid for by Mexico, etc. Saying you want something hardly makes it appear. Ultimately both sides propose a lot of shit that will never happen recently.
Isn’t spending and raising taxes more fiscally responsible than cutting taxes and spending? Again Dems will “get in trouble” for their stances when people demand specifics.
Trump ran on plenty of ridiculous platitudes and didn’t even pretend to explain how it would be paid for.
But if none of it matters give me all that free stuff and cut taxes at the same time. We just made the left and right happy trec!
Well let’s do it then. I can think of a group of people who want every kid to be born but would fight hard against incurring more costs to ensure the success of those kids. Because parents should do that. Which works great in a perfect world and horrible in reality.
I go back and forth on this. Yes, it’s high and yes there’s a lot of waste and pork that we absolutely need to find some way to get rid of. And then some.
On the other hand, we have more foreign bases and more interests than any other nation. The other 2 great powers (ok, 1 budding power and wishing it could get back to being a great power) are both antagonistic to our interests and the interests of our allies in many regards.
We have far more scale, although this situation inverts the typical economy of scale benefits on their head and creates a climbing expense column. If we keep the status quo, then, we must keep spending in similar levels it seems. Personally I would rather have the throne than China or Russia. But that comes with downsides.
(NOTE: not the same as saying we should constantly jump spending up, or that we should keep all aspects of the status quo)
Trump and the GOP had two years to run the table on fiscal matters before they lost the House. The did the opposite of what Trump said he would do - they cut taxes, did nothing worthwhile on spending, and exploded the deficit even more. Then Trump began producing budgets that proved he had no serious intentions about getting the balance sheet cleaned up.
Seriously, this is your answer?
You do that on most of your posts, rather than just giving an example, like you just did.
In fact, anyone with any logic would look at your post should think - hmmm, GOP makes idle promises during campaigns, but not Dems? Sounds wrong.
And then see the most current examples of Dem candidates, literally broadcast empty unachievable crap within previous hours, and think, Yep, wrong.
Both sides awful on this. I believe his point was that the GOP typically makes fiscal responsibility a big deal (it should be). When they have the power to do something about it they don’t. When they aren’t in power it’s look at this horrid spending problem we have!
Yes they do no doubt about it. Again though I’m seeing people list off all the empty unachievable crap Dems are proposing while saying they support the current guy in power who did the exact same thing.
What I’d prefer is just a lack of hypocrisy Democrat or Republican. It’s just hard to take people seriously who attack the current Dem crop for “that will never happen” yet has anyone said anything more unachievable than everyone will get healthcare and it will be cheaper? Mexico going to pay for the wall out of the goodness of their hearts?
Dude jump in or jump out. It seems to me like he enjoys the will he or won’t he more than anything else. I think he’s going to find out no one really cares.
What’s up with these billionaires wanting to be politicians anyways? Fucking losers. If I get a billion the last thing I’m going to do is public service. Boats, hoes, drugs, cars, planes. I don’t need more money or feel obligated to help my rich friends get more cash.
I would be so much better at being super rich than these people.
No, I think people reading my post would think the subject is “fiscal conservatism and the lack thereof” not “both parties don’t keep promises”.
But this is what you do - anytime someone points to a failing of the GOP or Trump, your response is always “yeah, but the Dems do that too!”. Why is that always the answer?
I am happy to talk about single issues when I don’t first see a false statement that implies GOP has failed the US, with the clear inference that Dems are not complicit.
Sorry, putting gun control must have thrown you here, as all of the other stump items have profound implications on the both the deficit and debt.
As stated, I am happy to drill into the subject.
This deficit/debt issue falls on the shoulders of both parties.
Based on your acknowledgement that budgets are made law in Congress, it would be helpful to look at deficits incurred not only under the various presidents, but the majority of each house.
Further it would be helpful to see if the US is in either a stated war or police style war, as these were the traditional periods of deficit spending. I will happily blame GOP for allowing our debt to go totally off the charts in overseas wars / nation building that exceed anyone’s imagination of being a Pax Americana.
Then I would be interested in general world economic conditions, such as currently - where numbers are showing slow down world wide, including EU and China’s hog failure, and how the US is intertwined with the world economy.
It would be remiss to overlook US demographics, as they are the largest component of the budget. A huge retiring populations making demands of the old age system the government enforced through a poorly thought out system - pay as you go, robbing the deposits to pay into other expenses, paying emergency room pricing for healthcare for illegals that haven’t contributed to the system.
Discussion of the 2 edged sword that is compounding. Great when you have money in the bank, terrible when interest is 10% of your budget (13.5% of receipts).
Taxation inequities and their effect on receipts.
Political unwillingness of either party to live within the imaginary budget, much less their means.
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But Clinton may be in the cards, along with but Holder, to join Bloomberg.
Only but Michelle is more laughable. Trying to figure what she has accomplished in any fashion to be considered a front runner by 50% of Dems that poll they would definitely vote for her.
While that may be a true statement; Conservatives and the GOP need to stop making it a “yelling and screaming/protest-on-the-Mall/Constitutional Crisis/Let’s form thousands of “grass roots”-Tea Party-groups/it’s those damns Liberals!” issue (like they did under the 8 years of President Obama)…then suddenly grow almost mute about the issue when in power.
Hell…the GOP even had the GOP POTUS say “Hey…not my problem! I’ll let the next person worry about it…I’ll be dead!” (or something like that).
(Could you hear the crickets from conservatives and the GOP? I sure did…)
I didn’t make any such statement - Democrats are very much complicit, but Democrats aren’t the party claiming to be the one of fiscal conservatism. Both parties are bad on this, but one is being dishonest about it.
Recall the fraudulent Freedom Caucus - who told anyone who would listen that Obama’s deficits marked the ruin of the Republic. Now where are they now? They’re nothing more (additional) court eunuchs for King Trump.
Re: Democrats: yes, they’re terrible on this issue.
But here’s the problem - there was once a fairly unified custom that you don’t borrow to pay for government programs. If it’s worth having, it’s worth paying for. (Which is core fiscal conservatism.) The old nickname “tax and spend Democrats” was tied to that - yes, they wanted to spend a lot, but to do so, everyone agreed a tax raise had to be a part of it, and tax raises will hurt. That was against the backdrop that revenue had to be attached to spending.
That all changed when the GOP advanced the idea that deficits don’t matter and claimed tax cuts pay for themselves. And there’s a straight line from that “conservative” idea to the big government conservatives claim to hate - when there’s no economic downside to borrowing, there’s no brake applied to spending through borrowing.
Both parties are complicit, for sure. I never said otherwise. But the GOP is uniquely untrustworthy on this issue.
And again, this is why I respect Warren on this, even as I don’t like her ideas - she’s being honest. She’s saying we need these massive programs that do good and billionaires (and lots of other people) will pay for it. I can respect that. I disagree with her, but I can respect it.
What I can’t respect are the Republican Chicken Littles in the Obama administration who couldn’t care less about the issue with Trump.