Luckily he’s too old to understand how the internet (or economies) works, so he’ll never feel the sting of that burn.
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They might take the dem nomination, but I’d consider a ticket like that unbalanced and off putting. I’m not super conservative either. If a good non-hard line candidate emerges from this pack I could vote that way.
I’d really like to hear something about “jobs champion” or “a return to middle class sensibilities” rather than the straight up purchasing of votes and dash to the left that they pulled in the last election.
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Warren starting to get press over elaborate tale of being fired from being pregnant, while teaching special needs children…refuted by her own interview in 2007ish.
She needs to (along with the Native American controversy).
“Stretching” (lying) of the truth; and any “hard-left/progressive” turn is a loser for me, (that Trump and Conservatives will certainly exploit anyway).
I’m sure the guns are already being loaded
One thing is for sure;
Whomever the eventual DEM candidate is; they will go into the race against Trump extremely wounded.
Question on the “buzz” out there about Bernie.
Let’s say for a moment that his health has him bowing out. We know that his followers did not go in lock-step and vote for Hillary in 2016.
If he drops out; do you think his followers votes will go to Warren; Biden; or “non-of-the-above”?
(Just curious as to what is floating around).
I guess it is beneficial to go through brutal winnowing to get to the POTUS, as a means of toughening up, to deal with the international community.
But it is tough to watch. Perhaps a hold-over childish feeling on my part, that presidents are some infalliable supermen.
Logic would say Warren would align more closely with Bernie than Biden.
But if that is reality and how much is simply something we don’t know. No idea if it would boost someone else to keep it from becoming a two person race either.
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True.
But think about this, @H_factor; hasn’t the DEM race (follow the money!) become; for all practical purposes; a 2-3 person race? (Depending on Bernie’s Health).
For the Life of me, I do not see the appeal of Warren; the Conservative Machine and Trump have laser guided missiles (and Russian laser guided munitions) focused squarely on Biden; and Benies health is a question mark.
It appears to me that all that Trump has to do is stay off Twitter (right…) and listen to somebody besides his own voice…and the Whitehouse is his.
Question for the group:
Because of his extreme narcissism and ego; do you think Trump will/can make a “Nixon-esque” mistake? In other words do something so ridiculous (like Watergate) when the 2020 election is heading in the direction of not being guaranteed, but heavily in his favor? (Like 1972 was for Nixon?)
(Thoughts, @thunderbolt23 and others?)
I think they’d be split. Some of those votes are going to go to Bernie or nobody else.
I think a lot of them would go to Biden. There is just something comforting about and old dog with a lot of political swagger and acumen.
A small chunk would go to Warren from people that see Bernie and her positions as having enough overlap.
My blind squirrel guess on division is: 10% off the table. 40% to Biden, 20% to Warren and the remainder are anybody guess.
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Having talked to some hardcore NYC and New Hampshire dems, I think they go to Warren.
These aren’t blue dogs though, and I don’t claim to know for certain.
That’s a very good question, but I suspect that the motivated dem base is for Warren.
She’s clever, has a motivated base, and is appealing to the must win rust belt voters that Trump convinced to hand him the presidency.
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I agree - Warren is legit. She’s smart and stands in great contrast to Trump with her long list of plans to fix everything. Agree with the plans or not, the key is she has them and talks like someone with a vision. Second, as you note, she’s an actual populist who can connect with the Rust Belt swing voters that delivered Trump victory. Third, she has a middle class personal background that’s appealing to voters.
And she can give a speech.
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That surprises me. @Legalsteel.
In general; what is her appeal to them? What is she selling?
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If we look at the top issues of the US electorate. Economic concerns, immigration and healthcare are the top of the list.
Warren is plausibly good for many rust belt and dem states on the economy, and she’s miles ahead on healthcare compared to Trump.
She’s also running, as @thunderbolt23 noted, a populist campaign.
She favours renewed anti-trust, student loan restructuring and expanded education investment (this is definitely a winning issue for suburban women).
I personally don’t like her solutions, but she has identified key areas where Trump and the GOP are weak. She also isn’t going to roll back some of the Trump trade saber rattling.
So she has, on the issues anyway, a platform aimed at working class and suburban voters. Assuming it lands, that’s an election winning combo.
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Oh, one further thing. She is a woman without Clinton baggage. I suspect there’s not a small part of vengeance for 2016’s result as a motivation.
Thanks, @Legalsteel.
I haven’t been looking that close at her and her platforms.
That’s my fault. She reminds me too much of this weird English instructor I had in College. Add to that the Native American fiasco, and I just tuned out when it came to her.
I need to watch her a little closer.
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One of the most profoundly idiotic self-immolations I have ever witnessed.
That said, we live in a dumb era, so perhaps the voting public will offer her some grace on this issue.
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I asked this to everyone some time ago…so it seems appropriate to bring it up again at this point in the election cycle.
Do you think the DEMS will be arrogant enough to “push” Biden as “the chosen one” (like they did Hillary) to the point of “sabotaging” Warren (and perhaps Bernie) much like they did Bernie in 2016? Or will they just go with where the Convention and the voters take them?
(By the way…what ever became of Wasserman-Schultz? She sure fell off the radar fast…)