POP! Goes the Democrat!

How many people commit crimes to buy cigarettes?

The thing with this argument here is that many of the countries that have laws against homosexuality and sodomy are rarely enforcing them, if at all. This is the case in most of the former British colonies in the Caribbean. The gay lobby is arguing that the fact that these laws are still on the books is encouraging some sort of “anti-gay climate”, but it doesn’t appear to me that people’s morals and culture in many countries are actually affected by their government’s laws.

To give you an example, there was a video circulating a couple years ago from Haiti where two gay Haitians from the states went to Haiti for their “honeymoon” after getting married. They were flaunting their homosexuality, and as a result they were doused in gasoline and burned alive. However, there are no laws against homosexuality or sodomy in Haiti, and there hasn’t been since it was a French colony. Can you argue that they would have received harsher treatment in one of the neighboring countries?

No, I’m talking about legalizing criminal acts to bring down the crime rate, which is what you were talking about. You want to pick and compare one crime against another, but it’s still a crime as long as it’s illegal.

Just so you guys know, I had no intention of getting into some sort of gay debate. I just took a look at this thread and saw some pro-Trump comments and I happened to have seen the tweet about his coming homosexual crusade so I thought I would throw that in and see what happens. There isn’t really much more to say about this topic, I don’t expect to change your minds and you won’t change mine either. I just think that countries should be free to decide their own laws without outside interference. Where sodomy is illegal it is illegal to sodomize women as well, so there is no inequality between gay and straight people in that regard. And why should homosexual relations be protected by law but polygamy is a crime? Sounds hypocritical to me, but politicians are all hypocrites so what do you expect?

I would assume very few, given the mental addiction isn’t nearly as strong as opiods or heroine, and that they’re legal to buy for very cheap.

Then I can’t imagine why theyd keep those actions illegal.

I was specifically referring to crimes in which there is no chance of a victim. Apologies if that wasn’t crystal clear.

Agreed. I also think they should receive 0 USA dollars though.

I don’t think mutliple legal wives should be illegal either. Obviously multiple partners isn’t illegal, just the binding contract.

Yeah I don’t buy that everywhere you walk you see propaganda. You’re exaggerating but whatever.

What keeps you from ignoring it? Why do you give a shit? It really effects you that much?

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So you favor lesbians the most. I think they are the least likely group to get STDs.

I don’t think evaluating sexual orientation on the basis of risk of STDs is valid.

So what is the imperative to legalize them? Once it’s legal the next step is putting gay marriage on the same level as a normal marriage and then indoctrinating the kids in schools. You think this is some kind of hysterical nonsense, but it’s real and see what kind of people are behind it:

Benjamin “Ben” Levin (born 1952)[1] is a convicted child pornographer and registered sex offender in Canada. He previously was the Canada Research Chair in Education Leadership and Policy at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education (OISE), University of Toronto. As a civil servant he served for three years in the Ontario provincial government as Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Education after having held a similar post in Manitoba.[3] He was also a former advisor to then-Premier Kathleen Wynne.[4] On March 3, 2015, Levin pleaded guilty to three charges relating to making and distributing child pornography. He was sentenced to three years’ imprisonment.[5]

On March 6, 2009, Levin wrote and signed a memo that put himself in charge of Ontario’s school curriculum.

The US should also stop its actions that cripple their economies.

Not everywhere I walk, but that’s not what I said.


CIBC is doing the same thing too.

The difference here is that being gay doesn’t impact anyone other than hurting their feelings, or grossing them out, and therefore should not be illegal. Murder, rape, and robbery all have negative impacts on people without their consent, and therefore should be illegal.

Removing criminal prosecution from crimes that don’t have a chance at a victim seems alright from my angle.

Of course I do. I have 2 daughters in the school system and know a good number of working teachers.

Your hysterical nonsense from your keyboard is obviously no match for my firsthand knowledge and experience.

Agreed

GASPP. NOT RAINBOWS. THEYVE GONE WAY TOO FAR NOW

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And so do drugs and gambling, right?

People don’t consent to drugs and gambling?

Such as? Curious as to what crimes are currently victimless. I can see a plausible argument for drug usage but, even there, potential victims can/do arise.

Eventually they lose the capacity to reason, and they can no longer consent.

EDIT: This is certainly true of gambling and hard drugs. I make no claims about soft drugs.

The potential victims have laws protecting them. Like you can drink, but you can not drink and drive because you are putting others at risk.

Not all victims are protected by law. A person who drugs themselves into mental illness has a family with no recourse to the law, and they are clearly victims in what has taken place.

I’m not saying I disagree with legalization etc either, I’m agnostic on the issue.

Such as being a homosexual, as we were discussing above.

I don’t buy that people are not consenting at least in the case of gambling. Like you drove your self to the casino. Did you do that in autopilot?

I am not saying we should not provide help for people, but to make gambling illegal seems like it would be taking freedoms away from many.

Ah. That’s certainly true.

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  1. We are talking about situations where there is no criminal prosecution, except in cases where the law is used in instances of sexual assault/molestation. If nobody I being prosecuted then which prosecution do you want to remove?
  2. What about all those other victimless crimes that have overcrowded the US prison system?

It’s not the same situation everywhere at the moment. Did you even read what I linked? The man who was in charge of developing the Ontario sex ed curriculum (which was already seen as “pedophile grooming”) is in jail for child pornography and other related offences. But that’s OK, right?

Don’t be an idiot. I posted that to show that there is gay propaganda all over the place in Canada.

You’re not very bright.

People are still allowed to make bad decisions. Maybe, the family is mentally hurt from this, but they could be hurt from many other decisions that were made that are considered legal.