[quote]WhiteTiger711 wrote:
Rich Hand wrote:
WhiteTiger711 wrote:
rondastarr wrote:
Rich Hand wrote:
I am sure diabetics can still do well on the zone diet tapering off to atkins in the evening so long as they can adjust their insulin effectively but then control over insulin is often the problem. In my dads case he can but doesnt.
Yes, I’m sure type II diabetics can…
Don’t you hate how people don’t realise that Type 1 and Type 2 are completely different?
They arent completely different but differ significantly regards the amount of insulin secreted. BUT I agree I should have listed as type II and not generalised.
If by “amount of insulin secreted” you mean NONE, and any at all then ide say they are completly different. Type 1’s don’t produce insulin unless honeymooning whereas Type 2’s are just “resistant” to it.
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Yes, it really does annoy me when people don’t realize that type I and II cannot be treated the same. And funnily enough I almost posted the same responce that you did to that comment…
Did you all know that diabetes actually means “sweet urine” and also “to pass through urine” which characterized one of the earliest known symptoms of people developing diabetes in the early 1900s? That is, they used the bathroom a lot and had excessively sugary urine. Anyways I think my new goal in life is to get both diabetes families renamed for the good of humanity and making things that actually make sense:
Type 1 diabetes will be known as the:
Autoimmune B-Cell Destruction Disorder
– ABCDD
Type 2 diabetes will be known as the:
Glucose Homeostasis Regulation Disorder
– GHRD
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
Did you all know that diabetes actually means “sweet urine” and also “to pass through urine” which characterized one of the earliest known symptoms of people developing diabetes in the early 1900s? That is, they used the bathroom a lot and had excessively sugary urine.
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You realize there used to be different names …remember Juvenile Diabetes? Those are Type 1s. That name was apparently offensive…
It should be noted that the progression of type 2 CAN lead to total beta cell failure…so in effect, these patients end up in the same boat as type 1 and thus the treatment would be the same…(their routes for getting there are obviously different…but the end result is the same)
also, someone mentioned that insulin injections would be the only thing responsible for hypoglycemia…many type 2s are prescribed sulfonylureas (a class of oral drug) that also cause hypoglycemia…they stimulate the release of insulin from the beta cell.
[quote]rondastarr wrote:
WhiteTiger711 wrote:
Rich Hand wrote:
WhiteTiger711 wrote:
rondastarr wrote:
Rich Hand wrote:
I am sure diabetics can still do well on the zone diet tapering off to atkins in the evening so long as they can adjust their insulin effectively but then control over insulin is often the problem. In my dads case he can but doesnt.
Yes, I’m sure type II diabetics can…
Don’t you hate how people don’t realise that Type 1 and Type 2 are completely different?
They arent completely different but differ significantly regards the amount of insulin secreted. BUT I agree I should have listed as type II and not generalised.
If by “amount of insulin secreted” you mean NONE, and any at all then ide say they are completly different. Type 1’s don’t produce insulin unless honeymooning whereas Type 2’s are just “resistant” to it.
Yes, it really does annoy me when people don’t realize that type I and II cannot be treated the same. And funnily enough I almost posted the same responce that you did to that comment…[/quote]
That has been answered already, obviously I do realise, it was a simple slip of the keyboard.
I studied nutrition to honours level and although dont practice nutrition I can state that the 2 conditions are closely related. Some of the articles written on here by Beradi and others would be of use to you guys, they show with effort how individuals can reach a very comfortable state without relying heavily on a carb rich diet and insulin.
To me it is theory but to the authors and nutriionists I have come across it can be reality.
I was after some positive feedback from the non scientific community here just to show to my dad that real life Type II’s are overcoming the situation with diet primarily. The search continues…
Just want to chime in that I’m a type 1 diabetic. I was diagnosed when I was 18. I was on insulin for less than 2 years. I’m in my late 20’s now.
I strictly control by diabetes by diet, and exercise. I’ve just been lifting weights for just over a year now. I was just doing low intensity cardio 3 times a week prior to that.
I’ve been on a low carb diet for about a year now, and my blood sugar levels have remained normal through out. To be honest, I’ve never felt better than I do now since going low carb.
[quote]BJ* wrote:
You sound like maybe type 2…type 1 means you can not produce insulin. diet and exercise won’t help you produce insulin…[/quote]
I’ve always considered myself type 1 since I was on insulin at one point, plus I was in the age range for type 1 diagnosis, but you’re right, I could be type 2.
Regardless, I’m just happy I’m not insulin or any type of diabetes related medication.
well, i’d need more info…but you could have gone into the coma due to diabetic ketoacidosis…you’d be treated with insulin…but you say your “sugar” was 60…that actually means it was severely low…so the coma would be due to hypoglycemia…
either way, insulin can be used to treat both types…but you do sound like a type 2…ask your doctor…but its fantastic you are controlling via diet and exercise.
[quote]Kujo2020 wrote:
BJ* wrote:
You sound like maybe type 2…type 1 means you can not produce insulin. diet and exercise won’t help you produce insulin…
I’ve always considered myself type 1 since I was on insulin at one point, plus I was in the age range for type 1 diagnosis, but you’re right, I could be type 2.
Regardless, I’m just happy I’m not insulin or any type of diabetes related medication.
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you’re type two, im on a low carb diet and i still need a basal rate just to keep me good throughout the day…
[quote]BJ* wrote:
well, i’d need more info…but you could have gone into the coma due to diabetic ketoacidosis…you’d be treated with insulin…but you say your “sugar” was 60…that actually means it was severely low…so the coma would be due to hypoglycemia…
either way, insulin can be used to treat both types…but you do sound like a type 2…ask your doctor…but its fantastic you are controlling via diet and exercise.
did you used to be overweight?[/quote]
I think he is using a different type of measurement then you, in Canada noraml range is from 4-8 mmogl(?) whereas in america its like 80-120 or somthing
[quote]BJ* wrote:
well, i’d need more info…but you could have gone into the coma due to diabetic ketoacidosis…you’d be treated with insulin…but you say your “sugar” was 60…that actually means it was severely low…so the coma would be due to hypoglycemia…
either way, insulin can be used to treat both types…but you do sound like a type 2…ask your doctor…but its fantastic you are controlling via diet and exercise.
[quote]Kujo2020 wrote:
BJ* wrote:
well, i’d need more info…but you could have gone into the coma due to diabetic ketoacidosis…you’d be treated with insulin…but you say your “sugar” was 60…that actually means it was severely low…so the coma would be due to hypoglycemia…
either way, insulin can be used to treat both types…but you do sound like a type 2…ask your doctor…but its fantastic you are controlling via diet and exercise.
did you used to be overweight?
60 mmol/l. I’m Canadian.
Yes, I was overweight at the time. [/quote]
Bingo, most type 1s are severly underweight when diagnosed