[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Do you think young people don’t care about Politics or does need to find another way to get the youth interested in Politics?
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Who cares if 18 year olds vote anyway? Why should anyone try to get them interested in Politics?
Most 18 year olds don’t have to support themselves, don’t pay much in taxes, and just plain don’t pay attention. Once they graduate college, get a job, have bills to pay, kids to feed and educate, they’ll have a reason to pay attention and participate.
If you’re 18 years old, well informed and think for yourself, then by all means, vote. But don’t worry about your peers, it is a waste of time.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
At what age is this going on? Consider this. An 18 year old voting this November was 11-12 when 9/11 happened and 12-13 when the invasion of Iraq happened. It would be an exceptional kid who at those ages who would have known enough about world events to understand the paradigm change that occurred on 9/11.
It also would have been an exceptional kid who would have watched President Bush’s speech to the UN where Bush clearly spelled out the new paradigm that 9/11 created. In that speech Bush spelled out why we could no longer continue with the old paradigm of taking dangerous people like Sadaam for granted.
A lot of these kids who are supporting Obama do not realize that the change Obama is calling is merely a return to the old pre 9/11 paradigm of not taking threats seriously until after thousands have died.[/quote]
It’s a senior class, so 17-18. While I understand the new paradigm (or have come to understand it), I don’t think Bush spelled it out all the… elegantly in his speech. Bush’s foreign policy was a gigantic failure, I just feel that Obama would harshly compound that failure, while McCain would only continue said failure.
Regardless… yeah, it’s a class meant for people turning 18 by voting day.
Huh, huh, huh… Dude! Me and uh, my bros were chillin and shit one night watching Jon Stewart and like, dude! He goes all “fuckin republicans are fucking scum! Fuck em’ fucking nazis!” and my other bro said, “yeah man, Jon Stewart is fucking crazy, he totally knows about politics and shit!” fucking A man, we drank like two cases of Natural Light that night, I was SO WASTED! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Fuck it man, I think I’m gunna go and fucking vote and shit, uh, I’ll vote for Obama cuz he is a black man living in the struggle, and everyone is fuckin racist and shit. Fuckin rednecks! And fuck it man, we gotta get Bush out of the fucking White House and shit man, he is fucking everything up bro! I’m not voting for that piece of shit bro, fuck him. Tomorrow me and my bros are going to this party at this frat house, man I’m gunna get SO WASTED! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Huh, huh, huh… Dude! Me and uh, my bros were chillin and shit one night watching Jon Stewart and like, dude! He goes all "fuckin republicans are fucking scum!
Fuck em’ fucking nazis!" and my other bro said, “yeah man, Jon Stewart is fucking crazy, he totally knows about politics and shit!” fucking A man, we drank like two cases of Natural Light that night, I was SO WASTED!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Fuck it man, I think I’m gunna go and fucking vote and shit, uh, I’ll vote for Obama cuz he is a black man living in the struggle, and everyone is fuckin racist and shit. Fuckin rednecks!
And fuck it man, we gotta get Bush out of the fucking White House and shit man, he is fucking everything up bro! I’m not voting for that piece of shit bro, fuck him. Tomorrow me and my bros are going to this party at this frat house, man I’m gunna get SO WASTED! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO![/quote]
Fortunately, the teens who are this stupid still think you can vote by texting ‘Obama’ to ‘vote-4-pres’.
There are plenty of young people interested in politics. But, as you said, most are on the wrong side.
My high school has a pretty strong young republicans club, but its no where near as large as the young democrats, although the YR are much more intense, and the democrats as you said are just “Obama isn’t republican, so hes better because Bush was a republican,” and can’t defend their arguments. They just quote his “its time for change” crap on their myspaces and as someone else said, its not the issues for them, its just he is seemingly more charismatic and likable.
We’ve had a couple debates, early in the year and right before super Tuesday, and will have another in the fall sometime before the election.
I am very staunchly republican aside from a couple issues, and 16, and I know plenty of people around my age, including voting age, that are on either side and plan to vote. Also, I don’t just think I am this, I know I am.
Sorry, been out backpacking for the last week so I’m kind of politically starved, especially for the idiocy of people my age.
[quote]mattchew wrote:
There are plenty of young people interested in politics. But, as you said, most are on the wrong side.
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It isn’t a matter of wrong or right. In fact, that’s exactly the kind of attitude that is the problem.
The problem is teenagers who vote for candidates because they’re young/‘popular’/[to borrow from HH] chic. They don’t know anything about the issues, and anything they do know is so clouded by confirmation bias it’s insane.
Don’t think there aren’t conservative teens who do this. Teens who are staunchly anti-democrat to be different/to be contrary/because their parents are/because they have some random BS hot button issue/ect. It isn’t a matter of sides, it’s a matter of stupid.
It is a problem that extends beyond adolescence, but is more prominent there than in other stages of life (mostly).
Every time a youth mentions their staunchly conservative stance, a little piece of me dies.
I think it’s ingrained in our DNA to be more liberal as youth, and grow more conservative as we age and become jaded. I fear what these conservative youth will support in their later years.
[quote]Otep wrote:
Every time a youth mentions their staunchly conservative stance, a little piece of me dies.
I think it’s ingrained in our DNA to be more liberal as youth, and grow more conservative as we age and become jaded. I fear what these conservative youth will support in their later years.[/quote]
I doubt most kids know what ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ mean at all. They just associate the words with there respective social positions.
The GOP has few teenagers because they placate to the social conservatives, and most young people tend to be progressive.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Otep wrote:
Every time a youth mentions their staunchly conservative stance, a little piece of me dies.
I think it’s ingrained in our DNA to be more liberal as youth, and grow more conservative as we age and become jaded. I fear what these conservative youth will support in their later years.
I doubt most kids know what ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ mean at all. They just associate the words with there respective social positions.
The GOP has few teenagers because they placate to the social conservatives, and most young people tend to be progressive.[/quote]
Youth like to upset the ‘old order’. The trouble I have is that now I’M the old order.
Just joking.
Who knows? Maybe today’s youth will make the connection that Socialism/Communism/Fascism, are all the same coin, just with a different stamp. They may actually embrace……LF Capitalism!!
im 20 and for the last year or so i’ve been real interested in politics, at the moment i’m very interested in what’s going on in america because it seems like the people in power in australia have lost touch with reality and have no idea what they’re doing.
personally i feel that obama is the better choice for america, mccain seems like he is going to be another bush jnr, also he IS too old for the position
I personally believe that, like, U.S. Americans should vote Obama for, like, president of the U.S.A. of America and stuff because, like, some U.S. Americans don’t have like, hope or change and stuff, and, like, such as in the Iraq and like, Africa such as, and like, our hope and change over here, can like, such as, like for the Iraq and Africa, and like, Obama… such as…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Otep wrote:
Every time a youth mentions their staunchly conservative stance, a little piece of me dies.
I think it’s ingrained in our DNA to be more liberal as youth, and grow more conservative as we age and become jaded. I fear what these conservative youth will support in their later years.
I doubt most kids know what ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ mean at all. They just associate the words with there respective social positions.
The GOP has few teenagers because they placate to the social conservatives, and most young people tend to be progressive.
Youth like to upset the ‘old order’. The trouble I have is that now I’M the old order.
Just joking.
Who knows? Maybe today’s youth will make the connection that Socialism/Communism/Fascism, are all the same coin, just with a different stamp. They may actually embrace……LF Capitalism!!
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Two words: Ron Paul.
Of course, a lot of the teenage Paulies are now Obamanatics. This reveals how fucking retarded some people are, as they swing from one extreme to the next with no logical path.
Young people care about:
~Privacy
~Freedom from
~Freedom to
The internet exemplifies these things perfectly. Those who stand for the protection of privacy and freedom on the internet (Obama/Paul) will ultimately connect best with the passionate sect of the teenage population.
I’m a staunch believer that before one can even think of voting, they must solidify what their political philosophy is. As I have not reached this point yet, I am uneasy of who I will vote for(or even if I’ll vote). If I choose to vote, it will likely not be the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwhich.
Too many people my age vote simply out of naivety. They hear messages from authority figures and celebrities telling them that they MUST exercise this right to vote. Meanwhile, most don’t have a damn clue what they believe in and how to logically support it. Thus, they are manipulated by the charisma and vague promises of one candidate or the fear mongering of another to woo them into their ultimate decision while ignoring the fundamental questions of whether the candidate truly reflects their political philosophy…how a government should operate with regards to its citizenry.
This lack of personal understanding extends beyond the youth bracket, which is another issue altogether.
[quote]abcd1234 wrote:
I’m a staunch believer that before one can even think of voting, they must solidify what their political philosophy is. As I have not reached this point yet, I am uneasy of who I will vote for(or even if I’ll vote). If I choose to vote, it will likely not be the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwhich.
Too many people my age vote simply out of naivety. They hear messages from authority figures and celebrities telling them that they MUST exercise this right to vote. Meanwhile, most don’t have a damn clue what they believe in and how to logically support it. Thus, they are manipulated by the charisma and vague promises of one candidate or the fear mongering of another to woo them into their ultimate decision while ignoring the fundamental questions of whether the candidate truly reflects their political philosophy…how a government should operate with regards to its citizenry.
This lack of personal understanding extends beyond the youth bracket, which is another issue altogether. [/quote]
The average ACT score is something like 20 (out of 36). Given the difficulty of the test and the AVERAGE, we are fucked. You can’t have idiots like that choosing a government and expect anything but long-term chaos.
I see now why people buy politicians — its for protection. If they answered the desires of these morons, we’d have obliterated ourselves long ago.