Political Red Pill Thread: wtf, 'Murrica

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[quote=“anon71262119, post:179, topic:222723, full:true”]

Should we just accept that we’re soon going to look a lot like Greece?[/quote]

Meh. In the end I guess I don’t really care either way what people accept. I mean, I do, but not enough to argue it without end. I’m pretty confident it’s exactly as I’ve characterized, and that none of us here will live long enough to see anything but the continued advancement of the nanny state piggy backing on its sibling Social Liberalism. I intend to do the best I can within my sphere of influence (friends and family) and argue on PWI (an outlet) when I have stretches of free time on my hands.

This may no longer be a nation that ever seriously considers social conservatism again. I concede that as a very real possibility. But it sure as heck 'aint a ‘fiscally conservative’ nation anymore either. Nor will it ever be again without the virtues and institutions that make it possible for the people to shoulder more, most, or even all of the burden of living and dying in a variety of conditions from miserable to charmed.

Which leaves me wondering about pushing for a repeal of Obamacare once Hillary wins and the Dems pick up seats. Because there will be a demand for SOMETHING to fill the vacuum. And I guarantee that something will be much closer to a universal single-payer system. And yes, as you said earlier. Watch for sweeping rounds of student debt forgiveness (and hey at this point the debt loads are getting pretty silly). Followed by “well, looks like we just take over the whole thing to control tuition costs!” Come on, these things don’t go backwards, they…progress!

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Not on my watch! /naysays

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Ever since that day no one is allowed to criticize NYC without being reminded that it happened. People came together on a terrible day, that doesn’t change the fact that the city is a liberal shithole.

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How is James Comey not immediately tendering his resignation? None of this will go anywhere because Clinton will be pardoned by Obama just like Nixon was pardoned.

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You mean those countries with absurd wealth, small populations and 99.9% white? I am familiar and I know they can teach us not a single thing.

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Okay, so why can’t we learn from them? Don’t mean to be a dick, but why? Specifically?

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[quote=“anon71262119, post:121, topic:222723, full:true”]
Well, we could certainly argue that some of what’s going on is making things worse. People are often afraid to openly disagree with something if they risk ridicule, or being labeled as something derogatory. When things blew up at Yale with the PC Halloween costumes, students who disagreed were afraid to be interviewed because they didn’t want to be viewed negatively by their peers or possibly the liberal faculty. Some universities have announced plans to have separate dorms for Black freshmen next year. Yep. If you argue that you think it might be a bad idea, you risk looking like someone who needs sensitivity training. That’s part of the danger of the PC movement. It can be a form of fascism disguised as manners, paraphrasing George Carlin here.[/quote]

Ugh. So let’s suppose that all of these acts are truly part of the same movement… what world is envisioned when these folks look 15, 25, 50 years down the road? Is it a world of angelically legislated omni-inclusiveness inhabited by, as above, racial isolationists? A land drained of the oppressively viscous conservative mores, in which gender-dysmorphic, pansexual polyamorists are encouraged to ebb and flow in mercurial fluidity with their individual kinks and quirks? A society in which reality is established through fervent conformity to the collective psychoses, neuroses, and inclinations of its inhabitants?

When did conflating the magnitude of an individual’s feelings with the legitimacy of their perspective become standard operating procedure? Why is emotion the only evidentiary standard to which pop culture progressivism is held? Would the same people asking this of society be OK with raising their children in a similar fashion?

I’m only half serious here, but still.

[quote=“anon71262119”]
By nature people in the aggrieved categories have special knowledge. I’m disadvantaged by gender, but not by race. If you’re NOT in one of the aggrieved groups (white male) then you can’t possibly understand it. You must just accept that if you don’t get it, it’s because you’re a white man. You can’t possibly understand it because you don’t experience the world through the lens of oppression.[/quote]

Hmm, so am I wrong in inferring from this that even the oppressed apportion each other to various strata based on their respective disadvantages? I mean, are you more oppressed if you claim victimhood through gender or victimhood through race? And if women are oppressed, and blacks are oppressed, is the idea that being a black woman makes you twice as oppressed? I honestly don’t know how it works and while I’m sure many believe things will blow over once each squeaky wheel gets some grease, my question really is what the odds are of these factions eventually cannibalizing each other for additional perks and privileges?

And why doesn’t this lack of special knowledge go both ways? I not only have to accept that I’ll never truly understand the plight of multiracial, gender-vacillating, bi-genitalia handicaps, but also accept that they have an intimate understanding of the motivations and cognitive machinations of white, heterosexual men?

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Also, what is up with sites attaching a video to each news article? In theory, OK, but why does every single video not only have to play automatically when the page loads, but also follow you down the page as you scroll?

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Oh, and where should a feller go to read about what other countries think of U.S. foreign policy?

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[quote=“Sloth, post:183, topic:222723, full:true”]
Watch for sweeping rounds of student debt forgiveness (and hey at this point the debt loads are getting pretty silly).[/quote]

As someone who is literally throwing 2k per month at student loans, I would be infuriated if the government decided to “forgive” someone their financial obligation to repay four years worth of Ivy League education in the history of improvisational ventriloquy in ancient Greece.

Lower the interest? Fine. That the Feds are asking for 6.8% (or whatever) is admittedly nutty, but so is not holding people accountable for their inability to realize in advance that the only benefit they’d receive from their degree in theater is a slightly more polished intonation when asking customers if they want fries with that.

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It does, but it doesn’t. People are loathe to acknowledge the plight of another in favor of their own. It is akin to comparing your insides to another persons outside, which is as dangerous and toxic of a game as there can be.

When I see people keeping score of their perceived disadvantages I can’t help but think that they don’t take stock in or have any real gratitude for what they Do have, materially or as a composition of who they are.

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That’s a good point, but aren’t we putting these people on the same mystical plane as fortune tellers, Tarot cards, and magic 8 balls by allowing them to operate as though exempt from the same rules of understanding that ostensibly limit my ability to do anything more than accept their narrative at face value?

I’m willing to accept that understanding isn’t an immutable prerequisite for acknowledgement, and I’ll also concede a general bias towards the things that affect me personally, but what I refuse to accept is that the more oppressed one feels they are, the more hypocritical I must allow them to be.

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I can only assume that they believe these kinds of protests are building bridges of understanding and love, pun intended. Watch the video if you haven’t seen it. This happened a few days ago at UC Berkeley.

About Intersectional Feminism. Worth the 8 minutes. It’s not just about feminism. You’ll get a better idea of the philosophy behind it, and why the number of oppressed victims has multiplied.

On a positive note. This is a really great article. Unfortunately, these kinds of ideas are not allowed in the current campus discourse. This talks about why some of these diversity and inclusion programs are likely making things worse.

Seriously, I’m really upset by much of this. The university where I work recently announced Black dorms for incoming freshmen who request to live with only Black students. I can only imagine that Latino dorms, Asian dorms, or maybe Middle Eastern dorms will follow.

In contrast, my son went to a school that assigned freshmen to dorms with students they didn’t know. They purposefully shook it up by region of the country, race, major. This has been a common practice at many colleges. After that first year, you can choose your roommates. My son ended up becoming really close friends with a Black roommate. How sad if that hadn’t happened because that young man was over in the other dorm. I’m not even sure how to explain this to my children. They have very mixed friend groups. My daughter’s BFF is Chinese, and another close friend is Jamaican. If you look at all the homecoming and prom pictures of my son, it looks like he’s doing a United Nations experiment. Haha! He seems to appreciate pretty girls, regardless of their race or ethnicity. Pictures of him with his friends are the same. I feel like we did something right in that regard. I don’t think my family is at all unusual.

No, I don’t think we’re post-racial as a society, but I really hate to see us go back to segregation as a solution. And I really think that oppressed groups thinking treating other groups poorly is going in the wrong way. I could go on about this, but one of the most disheartening things is to hear people who think like me afraid to speak out against this because they don’t have tenure, or because it would be career suicide to go against this PC tide. Conservatives continue to be in the closet at our major universities, but even old school lefties who REALLY still believe in free speech are often afraid to try to speak out against this.

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This isn’t about tolerance, justice or a better society. It’s simply about using victim status as power. It’s not new, but we have replaced religion, and more specifically, Christianity in this country (and various claims about being the “better Christian” or martyr BS) with another form of guilt and shame used as a weapon. The sad thing is that people fall for it.

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When faced with a decision how many times have we heard those on the left say “We need to be on the right side of history.” Or about their opponents “They are on the wrong side of history.” It’s the modern equivalent of “God is on our side.”

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@sunnbeaches105, and @Alrightmiami19c, @SkyzykS, and @anonym - I’m reading John Stuart Mill’s, On Liberty. I’d never read it, but it covers so much of what you are talking about. If you haven’t read it’s, it’s very accessible and not super long. Fundamentals of Western Civilization, freedom, the Enlightenment. One of those books that really makes you appreciate the miracle of free societies, and how we got to a representational system of government. Tyranny by the few, tyranny by the majority. So many things that speak to what we’re experiencing now.

Specifically, you guys are talking about the morality of our times or the certainty with which we will defend our own morality or customs, and impose them on others. It certainly covers the “wrong side of history” argument.

I wish the students at Berkeley, who think they know so much about oppression, would read it. Unfortunately, they’re probably taking classes on Intersectional Feminism instead of learning about the Enlightenment.

When they graduate with their degrees in some major with zero economic value, and they find out that having a chip on their shoulder and organizing protests aren’t skills that a lot of employers are looking for, they can complain about how they don’t have jobs because of the matrix of oppression. anonym, I laughed at the theater major comment. So true.

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There was a little hyperbole in there I don’t mean to say there is nothing we can learn from Scandinavia. We just have to understand that its not like for like and what may work there doesn’t mean it will work here.
For instance, they spend very little on military, why? Because they have us, the U.S.A. with a ready made battering ram of destruction that they can call on should their sovereignty be in trouble. And if they call we have to come.
Some people have claimed that since Scandinavia can get away with small militaries we should be able to as well… Nu’uh. There is no comparison. When you are the lone world superpower, whose goal is to protect and defend freedom and democracy you will always have other people’s and countries trying to knock you down. You cannot protect our ideology with a small battery of machine guns and row boats. You need a big badass military whose very presence will scare the shit out of an enemy.

When people around the world call on someone to help them with an enemy seeking to destroy them, they don’t call Norway, they call the U.S.

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The Jerusalem Post, of course. The english version…

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Kind of off topic, but if Red Pills let us see the Matrix for what it really is, this election is doing the job.

I think this will be seen as a tipping point in terms of when the average person in America realizes that the rule of law doesn’t always apply to the political or economic elite. I think we’ll look back on this as a modern Tammany Hall. With Hillary occupying the Executive office, the lack of trust in government will grow. Trump might have a similar effect, but right now we don’t know enough about his political dealings and the flow of his money to know for sure. He’s had less time to show us what he would do.

With the Veritas stuff/ FBI investigations/ Wiki leaks we’re all seeing the extent to which the swamp needs to be drained. I’m not just talking about the Clintons here. From the highest office, all the way down to all the lobbyists who have enriched themselves, and their friends and family, people are seeing a big Machine.

We’ve known this, or suspected it. We see evidence of corruption anytime there’s power, but this has really lifted the curtain, or made it hard to ignore. The Trump - Clinton race has been a Red Pill. I think that part is good.

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LSD does the job just fine…

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