He says a meat and nut breakfast is the way to go…I’m trying to come up with any breakfast combination I’ve ever tried that would qualify. Seems kinda strange to me, but what the hell, he’s way bigger/leaner than I am.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
PimpBot5000 wrote:
And I seem to recall something about how if your urine smells bad after eating asparagus that you’re at a higher risk of Huntington’s disease? Has anyone seen any supporting evidence for this? I checked Medline and couldn’t dig anything up at all.
Not sure about that.
I always thought that if your pee smelled like asparagus after eating asparagus it was due to a genetic defect (or missing a particular gene). But I didn’t think it made you a higher risk for Alzheimer’s or other diseases.
The majority of the people I know have “asparagus pee” after they eat asparagus. I think I’ve only met a couple people who said their urine doesn’t smell like asparagus after eating it.
I’ve had my urine even smell like tuna when eating one of those large tuna packets. Does that mean I have some other type of genetic defect or am at a higher risk of some other disease? Or is it just the fact that when eating that much tuna, it somehow gets excreted in the urine?
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I seem to remember reading that people who don’t have “asparagus pee” actually do, but that they don’t have the scent receptors… thus it still smells normal to them.
[quote]mrcold wrote:
He says a meat and nut breakfast is the way to go…I’m trying to come up with any breakfast combination I’ve ever tried that would qualify. Seems kinda strange to me, but what the hell, he’s way bigger/leaner than I am.[/quote]
I have:
8oz Beef 25 Almonds
8oz Chicken 1 Cup hazelnuts
8oz Turkey 1 Cup Macademia Nuts
etc
etc
Not that hard 
[quote]300andabove wrote:
mrcold wrote:
He says a meat and nut breakfast is the way to go…I’m trying to come up with any breakfast combination I’ve ever tried that would qualify. Seems kinda strange to me, but what the hell, he’s way bigger/leaner than I am.
I have:
8oz Beef 25 Almonds
8oz Chicken 1 Cup hazelnuts
8oz Turkey 1 Cup Macademia Nuts
etc
etc
Not that hard :)[/quote]
Yeah, I started thinking that was a pretty retarded comment after I posted it. I guess I was thinking of it from a more formal “meal” point of view rather than a pile of nuts and a piece of meat. Trying to figure out how the fuck to make a chicken and walnut omelet with no eggs was confusing me…
How about a macadamia encrusted filet of halibut with a side of quinoa (ONLY if you’re below 9.784553 % body fat) and some steamed vegetables?
Wait, our ancestors didn’t know how to filet fish. You must eat the fish like Bear Grylls.
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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
How about a macadamia encrusted filet of halibut with a side of quinoa (ONLY if you’re below 9.784553 % body fat) and some steamed vegetables?
Wait, our ancestors didn’t know how to filet fish. You must eat the fish like Bear Grylls.
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I take it you have some issues with Poliquin’s sweeping statements from the implied sarcasm…
Implied? That was dedicated to the man himself!
And I was serious about the halibut recipe. Bear Grylls doesn’t have to be at the table.
Come on, while his stuff is fun to read and has a lot of info, Poliquin does tell some tall tales. Anabolic avocados from the Dominican Republic? Yeah, like those chiles harvested from the Guatemalan insane asylum that Homer Simpson ate…
Sigh
Ok look if i grow a crop of potatoes say in New York OR on the outskirts of the rainforest by Brazil…
Which do you think would give me better potatoes ???
Same with avocado’s they are THE No.1 fruit/veg for cutting or bulking.
And i am sure he ate other stuff along with said items.
It would be like me buying supermaeket milk for .99c or buying milk from a farmer for 1.29c would you think there’d be a difference ??
Surely you have been around food long enough to know that some foods are grown better in other countries…
Look, you can’t use vagueness to manufacture accuracy of a statement.
Yes, farmers’ milk would be preferable to pasteurized, store-bought milk. But that does NOT validate some of his specific claims.
Let me just pull it up, because it sounds you have not read the statement of his I am referring to (plenty of folks here have, though):
[i]I realize how anabolic food is every time I go teach in the Dominican Republic. Last time I taught a Biosignature Modulation course in the DR, the students took my body fat Monday morning. I was at 8% and weighed 198 pounds.
Now, there’s no such thing as grain-fed in the DR; they can’t afford it, so cows eat grass. And if you eat a mango over there you have to eat it over a sink because it’s so juicy. The eggs too are far more anabolic. They’re orange and full of omega-3s, like all eggs naturally were thousands of years ago.
A DR avocado tastes like butter it’s so rich in nutrients. Eating avocados over here is like eating fiberglass once you’ve had a DR avocado. It’s like having sex with Pamela Anderson then having to have sex with Rosie O’Donnell.
Anyway, five days later, after eating only Dominican Republic foods, I weighed 209 at 6% body fat. My business partner came to finish the seminar, took one look at me and said, “What happened to you?!”
But when I work in the UK or Ireland, I lose muscle mass and put fat on almost inevitably, even though I try to eat as cleanly as possible. The quality of the food is just piss poor.[/i]
So unless I have forgotten simple arithmetic, he lost almost 3.5 pounds of fat and gained 11 pounds (I am sure ALL water despite his instance on how much more ‘anabolic’ DR foods are…his diction, not mine) in 5 days?
He made a similarly wild claim about an athlete taking in 30-40g fish oil and gaining like 20 pounds LBM in a MONTH:
http://www.charlespoliquin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=963&Itemid=10173
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Response from Christian Thibs:
Hey Christian,
I have a question for ya…My interest was piqued tremendously when I read an article by Poliquin, in which he talks about a First round NFL draft pick who has stalled in his growth and Charles upped his fish oil intake to 45 grams per day and the guy gained 29 lbs of LBM in a month! I was like holy cow!
After scouring over T-Nation I see that you are also a big advocate of it…and you said that Mega dosing fish oil can cause dramatic changes in body composition…I have a question about it…what are some hard numbers you have seen in you or your clients when they added 30-45g per day of fish oil to their diet? What types of body comp changes in fat loss or muscle gain have you or your client experienced when making this change to mega dosing fish oil?
Also what other factors like training and diet and other supps were present that affected these results?
I am thoroughly intrigued by what I have read about this topic…
Thanks for your help!
Chris
Christian:
Understand one thing, we (coaches) often use our most amazing client stories to make a point. The goal is NOT to sell you something, but to get the message across.
For example if I say that a pro athlete gained 29lbs in a month while mega-dosing on fish oil you WILL pay more attention to the important message (mega-dosing fish oil is good for muscle growth, fat loss and health) then if I say that a client gained 5lbs on that strategy.
The truth is that:
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Elite athletes (especially football players who are at the top of the genetic food chain) are more likely to gain muscle mass quickly than the average Joe, with or without supplements.
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Do not forget about the ‘‘regained muscle’’ factor. An athlete WILL lose some muscle mass during the season. For one thing he can’t train (with weights) as much (less energy, less time, higher risk of injury), then the energy expenditure from their sports practice is super high. Two conditions not conducive to maintaining muscle mass.
For example I often have pro hockey players 15lbs of muscle or more during a season. Obviously hockey has 82 games per season and they basically live on planes and in hotels, but football players are also likely to lose a lot of size.
Now, you will regain the muscle you already had much faster than it will take you to gain new muscle. I once had a hockey player lose 10lbs in the first 3/4 of his season, then he got injured and lost another 10lbs because he could not use his upper body. When he got back to all-out training he gained 25lbs in 4 weeks. If I only said that he gained 25lbs in 4 weeks it would sound amazing… but the fact is that 20 of those pounds were regained muscle.
The take home message is that ‘‘real life’’ examples are used to get a point across… to get your attention.
Mega dosing fish oil IS a great short term strategy. And it WILL lead to muscle growth and fat loss (mainly through an increase in insulin sensitivity) but I can guarantee you that your gains will not be anywhere near 29lbs in 4 weeks.
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Now, I understand there was a ‘rebound hypertrophy’ factor, but still…sounds like hot air to me unless the player’s training camp was really a concentration camp, then we could just sit him next to Donovan McNabb and feed him Campbell’s Extra Chunky for a month. Problem solved.
And again, I enjoy reading Poliquin’s stuff. I just don’t take his word as gospel.
Nor should you take ANYONES word as gospel… and i do mean no one.
Of course his claims are exaggerated, any good coach will make exaggerated claims… its what gets them young impressionable people to sign up.
People get seduced really easily by GRAND ideas, so to get people to “get it” they have to make extra grand claims.
Dont blame him, blame the idiots who just wont follow what he says when he says good fat is good for you.
Just got back from DR, and the food does all taste better,
9lb of lean mass gain and fat loss in a week, must have been a good cycle…
No, it would have been 11 lbs of water and 3.3 pounds of fat loss. Not necessarily that any of it was LBM gained.
My point is, justifying that tone to blur the distinction between anecdote and evidence is irresponsible. It is certainly irresponsible if you are in a scientific or engineering field, so I don’t see why it’s less applicable here.
He shouldn’t be using hyperbole to seduce anyone with his words as his name is enough to make most people read. But to use hyperbole then say the onus of interpretation is solely on the reader? Unprofessional; too convenient of an alibi.
Anyway, thanks for the info.
[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Do not eat Peanut Butter, even the natural kind; it contains a mould that has phyto-estrogens in it.
Aww man way to rain on the parade Poliquin… Anything I can dunk in my between meal shakes to replace the pb?
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Try Natural Almond Butter. Expensive, but very good. I get the kind made with raw nuts and salt only.
So why is nuts + meat a good breakfast? I’ve always been taught to eat the bulk of your carbs at breakfast and leave the fats till later on the day.
Lets say i was once fat and i attribute it to carbs.
Lets now say that i’ve read from enough sources to keep my carbs > 50g per day
What about PWO? Do i just slam down protein and not go for the insulin spike via maltodextrose which everyone tells me is so wonderful?
[quote]Intermezzo wrote:
Lets say i was once fat and i attribute it to carbs.
Lets now say that i’ve read from enough sources to keep my carbs > 50g per day
What about PWO? Do i just slam down protein and not go for the insulin spike via maltodextrose which everyone tells me is so wonderful?[/quote]
That, according to Poliquin, would depend on how lean you are. If you are “fat” i.e. above 10% then no you would not get carbs pwo unless you counted them as part of your 50. He recommends:
.3g/lb body weight in whey
.2g/lb " in glutamine
.1g/lb " in glycine
DO NOT DO THE FULL DOSE OF GLUTAMINE OR GLYCINE right off the bat. I’ve tried the full dose of glutamine and was ok, but anything above 5g glycine and I am on the toilet with diarrhea for the rest of the day.
Of course, you will still lose fat if you are in a caloric deficit whether you are consuming carbs or not, some people just function better with/without a lot of carbs.