Poliquin on BCAA Supplementation

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
… Two, if you do not want to get bigger, why are you on this site? Seriously, it sounds to me like you’re more interested in life extension topics. [/quote]

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1542048&pageNo=1#1543791

Over here you stated:

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Of course one needs to focus on the lift, not the mirror. Looking at one’s self in the mirror while doing power cleans would be silly. Still, when I do biceps curls, I personally enjoy watching the “veins” in my arms “pop out” during a set. While I don’t train for size, lifting still has a large component to vanity to it.

… [/quote]

So the question is why do YOU post here if you do not want to get bigger?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
It looks like Poliquin is selling his own BCAA supplements. [/quote]

Yes, but the article was written in 2005, before he sold BCAAs. And he’s advocated those high doses for several years. So I don’t think it’s an example of, “Try this. By the way, I sell this.” LOL.

[quote]mazevedo wrote:
This is the same attitude I have. I just started the protocol yesterday. I already know the BCAAs work, I’ve just never tried them in such high doses and I’m willing to try.

$50 is worth a try to me. If it doesn’t work better than the normal dosage, fuck it. That’s the same amount I would spend taking some broad out to dinner and most of the time that shit doesn’t work out either–who gives a fuck! Life goes on dammit.[/quote]

Let us know what happens. I have two month’s worth. I have another 3-4 weeks of dieting left. I’m going to do the high dosage to help with muscle glycogen replenishment. Then I’ll do the 4 weeks at higher cals to see if this works.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It looks like Poliquin is selling his own BCAA supplements.

Yes, but the article was written in 2005, before he sold BCAAs. And he’s advocated those high doses for several years. So I don’t think it’s an example of, “Try this. By the way, I sell this.” LOL.[/quote]

Poliquin advocates everything in high doses and everything to an extreme. He may be right [and probably often is[ that these doses are most effective. He is not right that lesser doses don’t have any benefit. Not with BCAAs and probably not with other of his supplement endorsements either.

I’ve used high dose BCAAs. And lower dose. I’ve benefited from only 16g of BCAAs a day. And there’s plenty of other people who’ve also taken lower doses who’ve felt that it’s helped them add or maintain muscle and improved recovery.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I have a man-crush on CaliforniaLaw
[/quote]

Hey, Zap, why don’t you post a thread all about me? You can collect my posts (which you seem to pour over) and put them there.

If I am dieting (which you certainly know), then I’m clearly not training for size. Duh. This, obviously, will change once I have gotten down to where I want to be.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It looks like Poliquin is selling his own BCAA supplements.

Yes, but the article was written in 2005, before he sold BCAAs. And he’s advocated those high doses for several years. So I don’t think it’s an example of, “Try this. By the way, I sell this.” LOL.[/quote]

That is good to know. I like the idea of short term supplementation with noticable effects.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I don’t think he’s right on this one. Not completely, anyway. I am quite condifident that I benefit from from BCAA supplementation in between meals on non-workout days, particularly when hypocaloric. I do agree on the high doses centered around the workout, if you can afford it. I personally take 8 Biotest Pills before lifting and 8 after. I do think BCAAs between meals when maintaining and gaining are helpful but not as important. For cutting, they are a a godsend.

Interesting.

I personally have no opinion about them. I know Poliquin (long before his own company or Biotest started selling them) has recommended mega-doses of BCAAs when training. So I’m giving it a try. [/quote]

I definitely think there is an added benefit to higher doses. I just don’t agree that you’re wasting you’re money by taking less than 20g a day if that is indeed what he said

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Poliquin advocates everything in high doses and everything to an extreme. He may be right [and probably often is[ that these doses are most effective. He is not right that lesser doses don’t have any benefit. Not with BCAAs and probably not with other of his supplement endorsements either.

I’ve used high dose BCAAs. And lower dose. I’ve benefited from only 16g of BCAAs a day. And there’s plenty of other people who’ve also taken lower doses who’ve felt that it’s helped them add or maintain muscle and improved recovery. [/quote]

Again, I don’t know anything about BCAAs, so I’m not arguing with you. I’m always skeptical of reports that a low dosage of something “helped.” I like things to be measurable. If something “improved recovery,” e.g., I would want to know how many more workouts per year that translated too. Most guys just say, “I recovered better.”

Also, there are so many other factors that it’s hard to know what works. I’ll see guys posting on the forum who are taking 5 or 6 different supplements. If someone is taking Alpha Male, Spike, Power Drive, and BCAAs, what is working?

My own view is to take only one supplement at a time - and usually for a long-enough time frame to see what happens.

What I like about the high dosage recommendation is that if it works, it will be dramatic. Poliquin claims 9 lbs., but he is prone to hyperbole. Still, whatever happens should be something I’ll notice.

Incidentally, I am trying the high dose because, on a whim, I tried his mega-dose of fish oil (which I thought was b.s.). I have been dropping fat like crazy since doing so. I put my wife on it (who has little fat to lose and thus hit a plateau), and she has been dropping like like crazy after a couple of weeks of nothing. I have no idea why it works, but it does. Same with BCAAs.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I definitely think there is an added benefit to higher doses. I just don’t agree that you’re wasting you’re money by taking less than 20g a day if that is indeed what he said[/quote]

Poliquin is known to overstate things, so the “20 grams or nothing” is likely hyperbole.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I have a man-crush on CaliforniaLaw

Hey, Zap, why don’t you post a thread all about me? You can collect my posts (which you seem to pour over) and put them there.

If I am dieting (which you certainly know), then I’m clearly not training for size. Duh. This, obviously, will change once I have gotten down to where I want to be.[/quote]

Smooch.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I definitely think there is an added benefit to higher doses. I just don’t agree that you’re wasting you’re money by taking less than 20g a day if that is indeed what he said

Poliquin is known to overstate things, so the “20 grams or nothing” is likely hyperbole. [/quote]

Well that would explain it.

Anyway, I got paid today so I started a 40g/day protocol. We’ll see how it goes.