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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]Velvet Elvis wrote:
I would add that in many departments - especially non “unionized” ones in the south - if you come under investigation, you can be hauled in to internal affairs and interrogated about actions that could (if prosecuted) later be deemed criminal… All without the right to an attorney. Failure to answer in this setting will result in immediate suspension. If you are found to be lying, most likely you face termination.
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Lying in my Dept for any reason under any circumstance is grounds for immediate disempowerment, suspension and termination.

Dishonesty is a class “AA” offense. The worst. It’s actually coded WORSE than the charge of “police brutality” or “excessive force” which is a class “A” offense.

That’s how seriously we value integrity.

Quite different than the hipster working at Google or Apple I’m sure.

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Yep. My agency will fry you for lying about anything.
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Really? I’m sure there are different policies in every department, but my attorneys take on this is entirely different. I was arrested once after a brief exchange with a cop where I told him to go fuck himself. He then summoned another officer to arrest me while he directed traffic.

Once we got to the magistrates, the cop I had the exchange with wasn’t even there, and the one that cited me acted like it was him. He also went into great detail about how very loudly I yelled, which is impossible considering the severe damage and scarring of my esophagus and vocal chords which makes speaking above an “inside voice” virtually impossible.

I had case law in my favor and beat it on appeal, but that officers entire testimony was a complete fabrication.

Maybe they don’t have the same policies.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]Velvet Elvis wrote:
I would add that in many departments - especially non “unionized” ones in the south - if you come under investigation, you can be hauled in to internal affairs and interrogated about actions that could (if prosecuted) later be deemed criminal… All without the right to an attorney. Failure to answer in this setting will result in immediate suspension. If you are found to be lying, most likely you face termination.
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Lying in my Dept for any reason under any circumstance is grounds for immediate disempowerment, suspension and termination.

Dishonesty is a class “AA” offense. The worst. It’s actually coded WORSE than the charge of “police brutality” or “excessive force” which is a class “A” offense.

That’s how seriously we value integrity.

Quite different than the hipster working at Google or Apple I’m sure.

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Yep. My agency will fry you for lying about anything.
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Really? I’m sure there are different policies in every department, but my attorneys take on this is entirely different. I was arrested once after a brief exchange with a cop where I told him to go fuck himself. He then summoned another officer to arrest me while he directed traffic. Once we got to the magistrates, the cop I had the exchange with wasn’t even there, and the one that cited me acted like it was him. He also went into great detail about how very loudly I yelled, which is impossible considering the severe damage and scarring of my esophagus and vocal chords which makes speaking above an “inside voice” virtually impossible.

I had case law in my favor and beat it on appeal, but that officers entire testimony was a complete fabrication.

Maybe they don’t have the same policies.
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Yea. I’m sure those days are on the way out. I’ve seen a couple guys punted early in their career for not telling the whole truth. People will always make mistakes, but lying about it is the worst mistake that can be made.

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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]Velvet Elvis wrote:
I would add that in many departments - especially non “unionized” ones in the south - if you come under investigation, you can be hauled in to internal affairs and interrogated about actions that could (if prosecuted) later be deemed criminal… All without the right to an attorney. Failure to answer in this setting will result in immediate suspension. If you are found to be lying, most likely you face termination.
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Lying in my Dept for any reason under any circumstance is grounds for immediate disempowerment, suspension and termination.

Dishonesty is a class “AA” offense. The worst. It’s actually coded WORSE than the charge of “police brutality” or “excessive force” which is a class “A” offense.

That’s how seriously we value integrity.

Quite different than the hipster working at Google or Apple I’m sure.

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Yep. My agency will fry you for lying about anything.
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Really? I’m sure there are different policies in every department, but my attorneys take on this is entirely different. I was arrested once after a brief exchange with a cop where I told him to go fuck himself. He then summoned another officer to arrest me while he directed traffic. Once we got to the magistrates, the cop I had the exchange with wasn’t even there, and the one that cited me acted like it was him. He also went into great detail about how very loudly I yelled, which is impossible considering the severe damage and scarring of my esophagus and vocal chords which makes speaking above an “inside voice” virtually impossible.

I had case law in my favor and beat it on appeal, but that officers entire testimony was a complete fabrication.

Maybe they don’t have the same policies.
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Yea. I’m sure those days are on the way out. I’ve seen a couple guys punted early in their career for not telling the whole truth. People will always make mistakes, but lying about it is the worst mistake that can be made. [/quote]

Ehh maybe, maybe not. Aside from the Pittsburgh police force, all of the others around here are very small and barely make headlines except in cases like John Gammage, and seem to get away with quite a bit up to and including murder. Especially in town- If you get out of line or for what ever reason they don’t like you, there is a good chance you will end up dead somewhere between being put in the car and the station.

Within the same force as I was referring to in quotes there are guys I’ve done lines of confiscated evidence with numerous times. Everybody knows them too, but no one ever says anything. There is a very strong element of being on their good side and things are good, or on the bad side and things are very very bad.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I had a buddy back in the '90’s who had spent years in the '80’s and '90’s on the Topeka, KS police force. Holy cow, according to him, was that a corrupt outfit.[/quote]

There has been stuff on the news for what seems like decades now around here. It’s always a very brief “FBI is investigating " or "A grand jury is taking testimony regarding” then it all just disappears from news or headlines. Currently it is the mayors office. For a while it was the chief of police, next the citizens review board will announce something then it will start all over again.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I had a buddy back in the '90’s who had spent years in the '80’s and '90’s on the Topeka, KS police force. Holy cow, according to him, was that a corrupt outfit.[/quote]

There has been stuff on the news for what seems like decades now around here. It’s always a very brief “FBI is investigating " or "A grand jury is taking testimony regarding” then it all just disappears from news or headlines. Currently it is the mayors office. For a while it was the chief of police, next the citizens review board will announce something then it will start all over again.

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Your take on the art student who got so beat up?[/quote]

I’m surprised he didn’t die of cocaine hysteria!

Really though- I don’t think it mattered in the least who he was or what he was doing. Someone was going to get beaten into a coma that night by those cops. Being black in Homewood at night is 3 strikes against. Of course he was in an area known for drugs, fits a description, and yadda yadda yadda. The whole place is a open air drug market 24/7!

I truly believe that is how they maintain “order” and a good healthy fear through out the area.

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Friend of mine (actually he still posts here on occasion) is a constitutional lawyer. He has plenty of stories about planted evidence and illegal searches and other beat tricks employed by the less-scrupulous members of the otherwise unimpeachably honest and noble law-enforcement fraternity.

Anyway, when I first met him, his little daughter was just over two years old. He asked her, “what can you tell Uncle Varq about cops?”

She immediately replied, with angelic innocence, “no talk cops.”

Only two years old and already understood Miranda better than most people.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I had a buddy back in the '90’s who had spent years in the '80’s and '90’s on the Topeka, KS police force. Holy cow, according to him, was that a corrupt outfit.[/quote]

There has been stuff on the news for what seems like decades now around here. It’s always a very brief “FBI is investigating " or "A grand jury is taking testimony regarding” then it all just disappears from news or headlines. Currently it is the mayors office. For a while it was the chief of police, next the citizens review board will announce something then it will start all over again.

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Your take on the art student who got so beat up?[/quote]

I’m surprised he didn’t die of cocaine hysteria!

Really though- I don’t think it mattered in the least who he was or what he was doing. Someone was going to get beaten into a coma that night by those cops. Being black in Homewood at night is 3 strikes against. Of course he was in an area known for drugs, fits a description, and yadda yadda yadda. The whole place is a open air drug market 24/7!

I truly believe that is how they maintain “order” and a good healthy fear through out the area.
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Didn’t know it was that bad / blatant there.

I’d just assumed the kid had mouthed off, and they “taught him a lesson.”
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Nah. A co-worker let me in on a dirty but well known secret. They do that on a regular basis, and have his whole life. Every so often a cop car will pull up, they’ll get out and grab who ever is slowest and beat them about 9/10ths to death. All while calling out on the radio that an officer is in need of assistance, perp is resisting arrest.

He’s a nice guy too. Never in trouble, veteran of PG 1, smart and well spoken, but Will Not leave his house at night.

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Push,

I did correct myself on the consensual search thing after I watched the video. It was about two or three responses down from my first post.

And I don’t recall the poster who claimed that it wasn’t exigent circumstances in Boston. I’m sorry, but if you don’t consider a terrorist running around in a residential neighborhood in the dark exigent, then I really don’t know what to tell you. I don’t mind a debate on the subject, but if you’re going to be absurd about it, then why bother? I mean, really…if that isn’t a textbook example of exigent circumstances, then what is?

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I had a buddy back in the '90’s who had spent years in the '80’s and '90’s on the Topeka, KS police force. Holy cow, according to him, was that a corrupt outfit.[/quote]

There has been stuff on the news for what seems like decades now around here. It’s always a very brief “FBI is investigating " or "A grand jury is taking testimony regarding” then it all just disappears from news or headlines. Currently it is the mayors office. For a while it was the chief of police, next the citizens review board will announce something then it will start all over again.

[/quote]
Your take on the art student who got so beat up?[/quote]

I’m surprised he didn’t die of cocaine hysteria!

Really though- I don’t think it mattered in the least who he was or what he was doing. Someone was going to get beaten into a coma that night by those cops. Being black in Homewood at night is 3 strikes against. Of course he was in an area known for drugs, fits a description, and yadda yadda yadda. The whole place is a open air drug market 24/7!

I truly believe that is how they maintain “order” and a good healthy fear through out the area.
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Didn’t know it was that bad / blatant there.

I’d just assumed the kid had mouthed off, and they “taught him a lesson.”
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I used to work near Homewood. It’s one of the worst around here. One of the places where the crime rate isn’t as high as it could be because the cops just don’t bother with it. They’re busy keeping the people from Homewood out of Shady Side and Squirrel Hill.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Friend of mine (actually he still posts here on occasion) is a constitutional lawyer. He has plenty of stories about planted evidence and illegal searches and other beat tricks employed by the less-scrupulous members of the otherwise unimpeachably honest and noble law-enforcement fraternity.

Anyway, when I first met him, his little daughter was just over two years old. He asked her, “what can you tell Uncle Varq about cops?”

She immediately replied, with angelic innocence, “no talk cops.”

Only two years old and already understood Miranda better than most people. [/quote]

Let’s hope she never becomes a rape victim.

I wonder if she would care to make a victim statement?

Remember, the knife cuts both ways…

For every person we arrest (with the exception of crimes against the state or “vice” offenses), there is always a victim we are helping. Everyone seems to forget that. They just want to focus on when an officer illegally searched their brother-in-law back in 1987 when he detected an odor of marijuana but found nothing. No one focuses on the everyday stories of officers saving people’s lives… And it’s a job that I love doing, and none of us does it for the recognition. Just when you evaluate us, remember for most crimes, there is always a victim on the other end saying “Thank You”.