[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Next time you get pulled over for speeding, ask to see the reading. If you get that far, ask to see the calibration paperwork.[/quote]
^ Tip: do not follow this advice if you want to avoid getting arrested and/or beat.[/quote]
X2
If you want to argue your way out of a ticket, save it for court.
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Next time you get pulled over for speeding, ask to see the reading. If you get that far, ask to see the calibration paperwork.[/quote]
^ Tip: do not follow this advice if you want to avoid getting arrested and/or beat.[/quote]
X2
If you want to argue your way out of a ticket, save it for court.[/quote]
Well, yes, that’s where the arguing would happen… there, or with the prosecutor in advance.
But it’s one thing to claim/fabricate a legal reading after the fact, and another to pull it off on the spot. Radar certification less so.
By not dealing with things when they happen, you miss a crucial opportunity to gather and/or disprove evidence, which can hurt you in court.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Next time you get pulled over for speeding, ask to see the reading. If you get that far, ask to see the calibration paperwork.[/quote]
^ Tip: do not follow this advice if you want to avoid getting arrested and/or beat.[/quote]
X2
If you want to argue your way out of a ticket, save it for court.[/quote]
Well, yes, that’s where the arguing would happen… there, or with the prosecutor in advance.
But it’s one thing to claim/fabricate a legal reading after the fact, and another to pull it off on the spot. Radar certification less so.
By not dealing with things when they happen, you miss a crucial opportunity to gather and/or disprove evidence, which can hurt you in court.[/quote]
I don’t think I would dare ask about the calibration. Being really nice and super apologetic has always worked for me. Remember to be elusive though, admit to nothing!
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Well as long as your not doing anything wrong you probably have nothing to worry about.
That’s all I have.[/quote]
But aren’t you worried since they’re the ones who say what’s “right” and “wrong”?
[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Next time you get pulled over for speeding, ask to see the reading. If you get that far, ask to see the calibration paperwork.[/quote]
^ Tip: do not follow this advice if you want to avoid getting arrested and/or beat.[/quote]
X2
If you want to argue your way out of a ticket, save it for court.[/quote]
Well, yes, that’s where the arguing would happen… there, or with the prosecutor in advance.
But it’s one thing to claim/fabricate a legal reading after the fact, and another to pull it off on the spot. Radar certification less so.
By not dealing with things when they happen, you miss a crucial opportunity to gather and/or disprove evidence, which can hurt you in court.[/quote]
I don’t think I would dare ask about the calibration. Being really nice and super apologetic has always worked for me. Remember to be elusive though, admit to nothing! [/quote]
You wouldn’t get it, anyway. Cops don’t carry that shit in their patrol bag. The device is tested at the beginning of the watch and it’s recorded in their notebook(that’s what I do). I’ll bring all that other paperwork to court if it goes there.
People aren’t going to admit to speeding if you show them the RADAR. It’s pointless. If you don’t think you were speeding, settle it in court.
Also, nothing makes me want to scratch a ticket more than watching a grown man try to weasel his way out of owning his shit. It’s pathetic.
[quote]WhiteSturgeon wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Next time you get pulled over for speeding, ask to see the reading. If you get that far, ask to see the calibration paperwork.[/quote]
^ Tip: do not follow this advice if you want to avoid getting arrested and/or beat.[/quote]
X2
If you want to argue your way out of a ticket, save it for court.[/quote]
Well, yes, that’s where the arguing would happen… there, or with the prosecutor in advance.
But it’s one thing to claim/fabricate a legal reading after the fact, and another to pull it off on the spot. Radar certification less so.
By not dealing with things when they happen, you miss a crucial opportunity to gather and/or disprove evidence, which can hurt you in court.[/quote]
I don’t think I would dare ask about the calibration. Being really nice and super apologetic has always worked for me. Remember to be elusive though, admit to nothing! [/quote]
They don’t have to show you any of that crap on the side of the road. And there is no such thing as “calibration paperwork” in the patrol vehicle. All asking for it will do is insure that you get at least one, if not several, tickets. They might also decide to not let you sign your ticket and instead take you to jail and let you make bond. I agree with the post about being nice. That has worked well for me on more than one occasion.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
They don’t have to show you any of that crap on the side of the road. And there is no such thing as “calibration paperwork” in the patrol vehicle. All asking for it will do is insure that you get at least one, if not several, tickets. They might also decide to not let you sign your ticket and instead take you to jail and let you make bond. I agree with the post about being nice. That has worked well for me on more than one occasion. [/quote]
LOL.
So clearly when a black man states this, he just has a chip on his shoulder…lol!!!
Oh, Velvet Elvis, you make life worth living.
i for one would like to thank all the cops who ticket speeders. Sure they could be doing real police work and actually serving their communities, but instead they take on the task of keeping the streets clear of those horrible speeders. People who speed are right up there with the meth dealers, and rapists at the top of the scumbag list.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
i for one would like to thank all the cops who ticket speeders. Sure they could be doing real police work and actually serving their communities, but instead they take on the task of keeping the streets clear of those horrible speeders. People who speed are right up there with the meth dealers, and rapists at the top of the scumbag list. [/quote]
Speeding does cause an awful lot of accidents.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
i for one would like to thank all the cops who ticket speeders. Sure they could be doing real police work and actually serving their communities, but instead they take on the task of keeping the streets clear of those horrible speeders. People who speed are right up there with the meth dealers, and rapists at the top of the scumbag list. [/quote]
Speeding does cause an awful lot of accidents. [/quote]
obviously going 140mph in a school zone should be ticketed, but going 80mph on an empty interstate and getting a ticket is pure revenue collection bullshit.
Several years ago, I developed software for certifying the radar calibration forks, as well as calibrating radar equipment. In order for that to be legal, there has to be a legal chain all the way back to the NIST’s Office of Weights and Measures. If anything is broken in that chain, the reading is no longer valid. That’s why that certification paperwork is important (at least, in the courtroom).
I had a speeding ticket thrown out in court because of a false claim by the officer. The officer claimed I was driving 15 over the speed limit (and I wasn’t) so I asked to see the reading. He responded with an “I, uh, I don’t have it anymore”. I was an easy target because I was driving an older car, in an area of town where everyone else was driving new Lexus/BMW/Mercedes, many of whom had personal lawyers. I was working at the state Attorney General’s Office at the time, and had little tolerance for BS from officers. I was still courteous and respectful, but the ticket wasn’t legal. After a brief discussion outside the courtroom, the prosecutor decided not to press charges.
Another ticket was for an improperly displayed license plate, because for some reason I appeared suspicious or something. That was thrown out too. There was timed and dated surveillance footage from the store I was just at prior to the stop, showing the plate was displayed correctly. I was just an easy target.
I’ve been stopped for “failing to signal” [when I did], and a few other things, in real cities. Most of the time it was just profiling based on the vehicle. Usually once they saw that I was well dressed and well behaved, they usually just sent me on my way.
So, I’m not exactly speaking in hypotheticals here.
On the other hand, if you’re pulled over for something you actually did do, you should own up to it. I’ve just dealt with enough cases where it’s either profiling or revenue-generation. A good number of officers rely on intimidation, and don’t expect that you know anything about the actual justice system.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
They don’t have to show you any of that crap on the side of the road. And there is no such thing as “calibration paperwork” in the patrol vehicle. All asking for it will do is insure that you get at least one, if not several, tickets. They might also decide to not let you sign your ticket and instead take you to jail and let you make bond. I agree with the post about being nice. That has worked well for me on more than one occasion. [/quote]
LOL.
So clearly when a black man states this, he just has a chip on his shoulder…lol!!!
Oh, Velvet Elvis, you make life worth living.
[/quote]
You think I’m white?
[quote]LoRez wrote:
If they weren’t acting legally, they generally don’t want it to get to the courtroom, and will act accordingly.[/quote]
This is the main point I was trying to make.
Many officers legally stop you, for legal reasons, and can legally prove it. I have no problem with that.
I have a problem with officers that stop you based on racial or vehicle profiling (which is questionably legal) and who then charge you with something (which often isn’t legal), relying on intimidation and the general population’s ignorance to persuade you to admit guilt [in the legal sense… and “just paying a ticket” is often an admission of guilt] for something that didn’t even happen.
Velvet, PX doesn’t have a chip on his shoulder, he’s just a gigantic asshole.
I love black people and minorities because it makes life so much easier for the white folk. I don’t think I’ve said it enough…but thanks guys!!
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
They don’t have to show you any of that crap on the side of the road. And there is no such thing as “calibration paperwork” in the patrol vehicle. All asking for it will do is insure that you get at least one, if not several, tickets. They might also decide to not let you sign your ticket and instead take you to jail and let you make bond. I agree with the post about being nice. That has worked well for me on more than one occasion. [/quote]
LOL.
So clearly when a black man states this, he just has a chip on his shoulder…lol!!!
Oh, Velvet Elvis, you make life worth living.
[/quote]
Glad I can put a smile on that grumpy face …
There are good and bad in every profession … To include dentists, lol
If you start questioning a police officers reason for pulling you over, or competence at his job or with his equipment …yes, you will probably catch an attitude
Does that mean you will be dragged from the car, beaten, and arrested? Doubtful
Could it happen? Has it happened? Yes
But I don’t think it’s fair to tar all the good cops out there who willingly risk their lives for complete strangers on a daily basis because of he actions of a few jackasses who abuse their authority
That is all
Another cop hate thread?
Good old T Nation hasn’t changed.
Where’s the current race bait thread? Lol
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Velvet Elvis wrote:
…There are good and bad in every profession … To include dentists, lol
If you start questioning a police officers reason for pulling you over, or competence at his job or with his equipment …yes, you will probably catch an attitude
Does that mean you will be dragged from the car, beaten, and arrested? Doubtful
Could it happen? Has it happened? Yes
But I don’t think it’s fair to tar all the good cops out there who willingly risk their lives for complete strangers on a daily basis because of he actions of a few jackasses who abuse their authority
That is all
[/quote]
It’s not just a few. Cops are no more noble per capita than in any other profession; in fact they are probably less. That means that yes, there are still plenty of good ones out there but power corrupts… so the ratio of good cops vs bad ones is not necessarily comparable to good plumbers vs bad ones or good dentists…etc.
That is not all.[/quote]
While I agree the consequences of their abuse (when it occurs) is greater than almost any profession, I dispute the notion that its more than a few.
I’m sorry you had a bad experience with a power happy, ticket writing douchebag … And I’ll be the first to admit that the job does attract it’s fair share of people for the wrong reasons … But outside of the extensive media or YouTube coverage of these ( I hope you will agree mostly isolated) incidents, is it really fair to paint the thousands of officers throughout this country with that brush?
Even if they wanted to be dicks 24/7 (which the majority don’t ) … The prevalence of not only patrol car cameras but EVERYONE having a camera / video would cause them to be exposed, and at the very least disciplined - if not fired or prosecuted.
And the days of the “thin blue line” covering up and looking out for their own are over … Internal Affairs lives to fry cops the way your cop wanted to write as many tickets to you as he could. Police Chiefs will turn their backs on their guys with just a whiff of misconduct these days.
Again, sorry you experienced what you did … That was beyond wrong, and made me angry reading it … But it’s not “more than a few”
Most people have ZERO interaction with police when things are “good”
[quote]gregron wrote:
Another cop hate thread?
Good old T Nation hasn’t changed.
Where’s the current race bait thread? Lol[/quote]
It’s kinda wrapped into one right now … Just not full blown
But X is on it, have no fear … J/K