Police Forced to Strip Woman In Jail

[quote]Professor X wrote:
NDM wrote:

You don’t believe that you have a little bit of a bias against the police?

You don’t believe you have a little bias FOR the police?[/quote]

Well, when I don’t see a situation first hand and not all the details are clear, I usually give the police the benefit of the doubt. Police officers deal with these situations all the time, and they have the training and experience to make the right decision. If they thought putting this woman into restraints and strip searching her was necessary, then for the time being I will agree. If there is evidence supporting that these police officers were not in the right, then proper disciplinary action should follow.

[quote]JeffR wrote:
pat wrote:
Professor X wrote:
nephorm wrote:
This was not Rodney King all over again.

Well, according to at least two posters in this thread, that is exactly what it is…an alert that white women are now being racially profiled.

Why oh why does race always have to come into it? It doesn’t matter the color, abuse is abuse. Wrong is wrong, it doesn’t matter the race of the person.

Pat,

A better question would be: Why oh why did pox/chs return?

pox turns everything into racism.

JeffR
[/quote]

Interesting. I’m not the one who brought up racism in this case or this thread, yet you idiots still label me as the one who did.

Some of you are pretty pathetic…mentally.

[quote]pat wrote:
Professor X wrote:
nephorm wrote:
This was not Rodney King all over again.

Well, according to at least two posters in this thread, that is exactly what it is…an alert that white women are now being racially profiled.

Why oh why does race always have to come into it? It doesn’t matter the color, abuse is abuse. Wrong is wrong, it doesn’t matter the race of the person.[/quote]

Did you miss this post?:

[quote]orion wrote:

Now this might rub you the wrong way but what do you make out of this development that more and more blond and blue eyed house wives, grannies and white middle class middle aged men seem to get to know the more authoritarian side of the US police forces?

[/quote]

If you didn’t, why address your post to me?

Funny thread.

The general attitude on here from a lot of posters seems to be that the police do a hard job so should be beyond criticism.

I always thought that due to the power invested in the police force that they should be held to the highest standards of behaviour. Without this being the case it undermines law enforcement, as unless those going about carrying out the laws of the land are beyond reproach, maybe they shouldn’t be in such a position of authority?

And for anyone who cares, it was Nephorm who brought up the whole Rodney King reference.

[quote] Joe wrote:
The general attitude on here from a lot of posters seems to be that the police do a hard job so should be beyond criticism.

…[/quote]

Who says they are beyond criticsm?

[quote] Joe wrote:
And for anyone who cares, it was Nephorm who brought up the whole Rodney King reference.[/quote]

My point with regard to Rodney King - and I think it should have been apparent from my post - was that in the Rodney King beating you had a third party with a camera filming the actions of the police. In this case, the police are taping themselves. They were not taping themselves for the fun of it (i.e., this is not Abu Graib either). They were taping themselves for their own protection. Which indicates that they believed their actions to be proper.

I took Professor X’s comment about the other posters as being nothing more than sarcasm… sarcasm which was (hopefully) an extension of the sarcasm expressed by Sloth when suggesting that this was “profiling.”

[quote] Joe wrote:
The general attitude on here from a lot of posters seems to be that the police do a hard job so should be beyond criticism.

I always thought that due to the power invested in the police force that they should be held to the highest standards of behaviour. Without this being the case it undermines law enforcement, as unless those going about carrying out the laws of the land are beyond reproach, maybe they shouldn’t be in such a position of authority?

And for anyone who cares, it was Nephorm who brought up the whole Rodney King reference.[/quote]

No, the attitude is that the police are well trained and many have dealt with similar situations, so we are giving them the benefit of the doubt instead of basing an opinion off of biased media coverage.

If it turns out the police did act inappropriately, I for one won’t have any problem criticising them. I am pretty sure the other posters defending the police won’t either.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
pat wrote:
Professor X wrote:
nephorm wrote:
This was not Rodney King all over again.

Well, according to at least two posters in this thread, that is exactly what it is…an alert that white women are now being racially profiled.

Why oh why does race always have to come into it? It doesn’t matter the color, abuse is abuse. Wrong is wrong, it doesn’t matter the race of the person.

Did you miss this post?:
orion wrote:

Now this might rub you the wrong way but what do you make out of this development that more and more blond and blue eyed house wives, grannies and white middle class middle aged men seem to get to know the more authoritarian side of the US police forces?

If you didn’t, why address your post to me?[/quote]

Not that you didn´t turn that post into something it wasn`t.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Joe wrote:
And for anyone who cares, it was Nephorm who brought up the whole Rodney King reference.

My point with regard to Rodney King - and I think it should have been apparent from my post - was that in the Rodney King beating you had a third party with a camera filming the actions of the police. In this case, the police are taping themselves. They were not taping themselves for the fun of it (i.e., this is not Abu Graib either). They were taping themselves for their own protection. Which indicates that they believed their actions to be proper.

I took Professor X’s comment about the other posters as being nothing more than sarcasm… sarcasm which was (hopefully) an extension of the sarcasm expressed by Sloth when suggesting that this was “profiling.”[/quote]

However, some tapes are clearly missing.

The tape of the police starts to roll when she is in the police car, not before which is against their regulations and on another tape you can see a women following with a video camera.

That second tape definitely exists and covers the time for which there seems to be no other evidence and where her word stands against theres.

So yes, they filmed her to protect themselves, but where are the missing tapes and why are they missing if all they had to do is show them?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Joe wrote:
The general attitude on here from a lot of posters seems to be that the police do a hard job so should be beyond criticism.

Who says they are beyond criticsm?[/quote]

Thats the impression I got from a lot of the posting that was going on here. If I have misrepresented your views then I apologise.

My opinion is that law and order is paramount to society and that the power given to the police means that they must be held to the highest standard of behaviour. As soon as things are allowed to slide it totally undermines the ability for the police to tell people how to behave.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Joe wrote:
And for anyone who cares, it was Nephorm who brought up the whole Rodney King reference.

My point with regard to Rodney King - and I think it should have been apparent from my post - was that in the Rodney King beating you had a third party with a camera filming the actions of the police. In this case, the police are taping themselves. They were not taping themselves for the fun of it (i.e., this is not Abu Graib either). They were taping themselves for their own protection. Which indicates that they believed their actions to be proper.

I took Professor X’s comment about the other posters as being nothing more than sarcasm… sarcasm which was (hopefully) an extension of the sarcasm expressed by Sloth when suggesting that this was “profiling.”[/quote]

I understood that you were joking, I was just trying to clarify who started the whole “race” debate after a lot of other posters ran with it and then started blaming someone else for it.

[quote]tedro wrote:
Joe wrote:
The general attitude on here…

No, the attitude is that the police are well trained and many have dealt with similar situations, so we are giving them the benefit of the doubt instead of basing an opinion off of biased media coverage.

If it turns out the police did act inappropriately, I for one won’t have any problem criticising them. I am pretty sure the other posters defending the police won’t either.
[/quote]

Whether you intended to or not, that wasn’t how it came across. A lot of posters (yourself included) were insinuating that people were anti-police if they didn’t dismiss the video as worthless media hype.

[quote] Joe wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Joe wrote:
The general attitude on here from a lot of posters seems to be that the police do a hard job so should be beyond criticism.

Who says they are beyond criticsm?

Thats the impression I got from a lot of the posting that was going on here. If I have misrepresented your views then I apologise.

My opinion is that law and order is paramount to society and that the power given to the police means that they must be held to the highest standard of behaviour. As soon as things are allowed to slide it totally undermines the ability for the police to tell people how to behave.[/quote]

I agree. I think the cops have to justify the actions they took but I will not rush to judgement based on the incomplete reports.

I think the media is shameful in providing half assed sensationalized reports that undermine our view of the police when the police are often justified in the actions they take.

The cries of police abuse have become like the boy crying wolf.

As has been said before I think every complaint should go through a civilian review board and I think there are probably quite a few cops that should not wear the badge but overall most of them are decent guys doing a hard job.

[quote]tedro wrote:
pat wrote:
The woman didn’t even break the law. The actions of the police in this case were indefensible.

Actually, she did break the law. She handed over her sister’s ID as her own. I wouldn’t be surprised if she broke more than one law, either, but we will have to wait to here the police’s story, not just the medias.[/quote]

Well shit! Give her the chair!

[quote] Joe wrote:

I understood that you were joking, I was just trying to clarify who started the whole “race” debate after a lot of other posters ran with it and then started blaming someone else for it.[/quote]

…and I do appreciate that. I think what you will find is quite a few here enjoy telling others what they think and what positions they hold on certain subjects while ignoring what has actually been written.

You are right, most of the posts did come across as if anyone questioning the police is somehow “anti-police” as if this means their opinion is null and void. For some reason, this doesn’t bother enough people.

We live in a society that gives people guns to protect, and in many more cases control, yet the people given this power think any criticism of their actions should be avoided.

I’m “anti-police” because I find killing old women by mistake to be a bad thing.

The unique here is that the Police taped themselves. Yet, I wonder where the shift Commander was during the incident? There are a host of things (restraints) to be used that would have been a little less intrusive (sp?). A good question is if the Police knew they were doing something that might be considered wrong (point of video taping)then why do it at all. The Commander needs to be questioned by IA extentsively.

Someone, will have to get in trouble. The question is which Cop takes the hit from IA. I vote for the shift Commander.

For what it is worth, a poster on another web forum said that Fox News was reporting that this woman was highly intoxicated and started a confrontation with the police at her home. I looked briefly but I cant find any substantiation of that claim.

Something was wrong here. I have never known a polite, innocent person to have problems with every person they come across down the line(ie. her cousin, the police, then the jail guards).

Just because you get to the phone and dial 9-1-1 first does not automatically make you the victim.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
First off I want to say… I’m not shocked in the least. I’m no foe of law enforcement, and the fine line they walk and are expected to walk in their line of work. But I will say, I am woman…just like this one…and I have had experiences close to hers. I once dated a big huge white boy, one that had completed the police academy, but somehow would be hired by none. All due to his past you see…and the fact he was abusive and a loose cannon (documented, not hearsay on my behalf). If i had those reports before dating him, that would’ve been helpful, but I did not.

One Halloween, in the throes of an argument…he cornered me. He was six foot three, shaved headed…and insulting me so close to my face I had his spit on my nose. He proceeded to bring his hand up and choke me. As luck would have it, I noticed my keychain on the counter beside me. On that very keychain was a canister of pepper spray, I grabbed it… I used it. He went down like a sack of shit. I then jumped his grounded body, and ran …to my brothers house and sought shelter.

An hour later, in another city…the cops belted the door. As they do. With the three knocks. The police in my city, had alerted another…7 miles away. I was apprehended, and told that I was charged with domestic abuse. After sitting in a cell for a few hours, the policeman from my city… who brought me out to transfer me to my own…played a recorded tape for me, of my boyfriends side of the story.

There he was crying on tape, and making things up… like…‘oh, and then… she took the lid of a brandy decanter and smashed it into my head after she pepper sprayed me’. The cop even held the lid in his hands, of which I had never touched. I went to jail…and was accused of a felony. Luckily the charges were dropped. But what it comes down to, is that my boyfriend at the time was a good ol’ boy. A police academy veteran… and me? Just a bitch right. But clearly I’m not the bitch of this story, I didn’t cry like one. I didn’t lie like one. There is plenty more I could divulge…and other incidents just the same, but screw it.

I know law enforcement is looking to bring down the stereotypes, and no… not every domestic call is a mans fault. By far. But I expect fair treatment. Regardless of how the pendulum of society swings. That and nothing more.

Did you freak out and resist arrest or did you let the lawyers handle it?

In all the situations discussed here the person freaks out and the cops end up having to use force.

Domestic situations are always touchy. They cannot ignore abuse from either side but how the hell can they know the truth until they investigate?[/quote]

No actually, I didn’t freak out. To be honest I was just in a state of disbelief…especially having heard the tape, I was too gobsmacked by bewilderment to vent any anger. There were no lawyers mentioned. I was told (and shown) what the b/f had told the cops. His side of the story. While I stood outside the cop car. Calmly…and its a wonder.

I admitted to the pepper spray, but of course stated what had happened, which I refer to as…the truth. That it was in self defense. Now I know they were just doing their jobs, but had they done it fairly…he would’ve been carted off to jail as well. Period. Not sitting in an easy chair eyes all full of crocodile tears, while I alone was incarcerated. In the end, the judge saw it that way too. Luckily, the bias I experienced from the police…and it was blatant bias…didn’t follow me all the way to the courtroom.

Ridiculously, the initial argument itself, began because I beat him at Playstation Jeopardy. “What is…some folks just can’t stand to lose”.

Anyways, pertaining to the video …I can hardly see how they handled this situation properly. Just my opinion. I’m not a cop hater. I think they fuck up sometimes, but I do give the benefit of the doubt…most of the time.

[quote]JD430 wrote:
Just because you get to the phone and dial 9-1-1 first does not automatically make you the victim.[/quote]

You can say that again.

[quote]JD430 wrote:
For what it is worth, a poster on another web forum said that Fox News was reporting that this woman was highly intoxicated and started a confrontation with the police at her home. I looked briefly but I cant find any substantiation of that claim.[/quote]

This is what I heard last night on Fox News… O’Reilly factor. For however little that’s worth.

The woman commenting also pointed out that “this is what you get” when you get drunk and cause problems for the police. So, very high brow commentary.