Police Brutality

[quote]AdamLaw wrote:
The point I was trying to make was that, in the real world, every profession has people who should not be doing what they do, be it for reasons of ego, temperment, or just lacking the skills to fufill their job requirements optimally. If you like, you can misconstrue what I’ve just said to make yourself feel like you’re superior. I’m sure you will. I myself am finished; no matter what I say, you will ignore it and repeat what you believe. When you outgrow the mental maturity of a 6th grader (IMHO, of course), feel free to restart our debate. [/quote]

Man, you were done before you started. You don’t have a point. You just keep changing what you are trying to say as you go along.

If this is what you were actualy trying to get to, then I would have agreed. Hence my recomendation in a previous post of psychological testing to examine the the personality characteristics of officers over the course of their career.

And if your humble opinion of mental maturity was of any importance to anyone, we as a nation would truly be fucked{hyperbole intended}.

If prohibition ended, you wouldnt have drug dealers shooting eachother up in the middle of town, you would go to the fucking pharmacy(or liquor store, coke bar maybe, opium den for heroin) to get your coke for much less than it costs now. Illegal weapons(though I think it is unconstitutional that they are illegal, but thats for another topic) sales would markedly decrease, as they would only be used for armed robberies at this point, not shooting up your competitors in town.

Homicides and violent crime would decrease, as people would not be shooting up their competitors in town. Junkies would be working in mcdonalds to afford their newly cheaper drugs, or ODing in droves cause its cheaper and possibly of higher quality then they are used to. Sloth probably thinks alcohol, tobacco, porn, and anything else one might consider unclean should be banned. I, however, think it is wrong for someone to be gunned down by “Law Enforcement” over a baggy of weed or something so trivial, which happens with over-zealous, militarized cops that believe they are an occupying force, and the blue line or whatever it’s called(omerta maybe). I think cops turning on their corrupt “brothers” should be encouraged.

If someone is on the take, (which would only happen from extortionists, wealthy murderers and professional robbers with an absence of prohibition) they need to be outted and charged, and the guy who turns him in(with actual evidence) should get a promotion or at least a hardy pat on the back.

I also hear a lot about no-fire orders for military personel, and dont fire unless fired upon type stuff. Is anyone in the military that has been subject to these? I mean is it something that is real and not a hollywood thing?
Police dont have any such orders as it turns out. I have talked about a woman who was gunned down by the police in my local town in a related thread. As it turns out she was shot in a cemetary in the afternoon because a jumpy cop opened fire when she was getting her cell-phone out. He and his partner gunned her down.

Someone I know lived near the cemetary where this happened and heard the gunshots in the afternoon. Before I assumed it was at night because the thought of mistaking a cell-phone for a firearm during the day seemed silly too me, but I guess it happens. Such incompetence(or evil) really should not be tolerated.

God damn thats a wall of text lol.

When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.[/quote]

Push, I’d advocate not admitting you’ve read UC. Dammit, now they know I’VE read UC. Thanks dick.

mike

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.

Push, I’d advocate not admitting you’ve read UC. Dammit, now they know I’VE read UC. Thanks dick.

mike

I didn’t admit it!

BTW, my ol’ pal Tom once said, “From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”
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Well, it is it’s natural manure…or so I’ve heard. My sister in law just got a liberty tree with that quote in Jefferson’s handwriting inked on her ribs. I tried to convince her to put a little guy with an AK in the wolverine pose a the base of the tree but it didn’t take.

mike

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.

Push, I’d advocate not admitting you’ve read UC. Dammit, now they know I’VE read UC. Thanks dick.

mike

I didn’t admit it!

BTW, my ol’ pal Tom once said, “From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”

Well, it is it’s natural manure…or so I’ve heard. My sister in law just got a liberty tree with that quote in Jefferson’s handwriting inked on her ribs. I tried to convince her to put a little guy with an AK in the wolverine pose a the base of the tree but it didn’t take.

mike

PICS OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN![/quote]

I prefer the Domari Nolo on the wife’s hip, but I’ll see what I can dredge up.

mike

[quote]pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.[/quote]

Could you spare us the time and tell us what the solution is ?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.

Could you spare us the time and tell us what the solution is ?

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Read it yourself. that’s the problem with this country, lack of willingness to do the right thing which takes effort as opposed tot he easy thing that sounds cool.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.

Could you spare us the time and tell us what the solution is ?

Read it yourself. that’s the problem with this country, lack of willingness to do the right thing which takes effort as opposed tot he easy thing that sounds cool.

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You have people , ashamed of the fact , they read it. I will probably decline to read it , I only have so much time and do not like wasting it.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
tom63 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.

Could you spare us the time and tell us what the solution is ?

Read it yourself. that’s the problem with this country, lack of willingness to do the right thing which takes effort as opposed tot he easy thing that sounds cool.

You have people , ashamed of the fact , they read it. I will probably decline to read it , I only have so much time and do not like wasting it.
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So let someone else do your work for what might be necessary information or helpful info? Lazy. You have plenty of time to argue liberal crap here, why not try reading a book with a different perspective?

[quote]tom63 wrote:
So let someone else do your work for what might be necessary information or helpful info? Lazy. You have plenty of time to argue liberal crap here, why not try reading a book with a different perspective?
[/quote]
Thank you, oh superior one!

If you don’t know the reference Push was referring to just admit it. No one here will judge you for it.

I too haven’t read it and would like to know what the solution is without having to waste my time first; just like I don’t often pick up a book and start reading it until I’ve read the summery on the back-page.

Tool!

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
tom63 wrote:
So let someone else do your work for what might be necessary information or helpful info? Lazy. You have plenty of time to argue liberal crap here, why not try reading a book with a different perspective?

Thank you, oh superior one!

If you don’t know the reference Push was referring to just admit it. No one here will judge you for it.

I too haven’t read it and would like to know what the solution is without having to waste my time first; just like I don’t often pick up a book and start reading it until I’ve read the summery on the back-page.

Tool![/quote]

I bought and read the book when it came out years ago. Oh inferior one.

Listen, these books have ideas, ideas which have helped form my views. Do the work and learn something. The work and effort is what will help to change your outlook.

Life is not a sound bite. In the old days we had a apprentice, craftsman, master craftsman system. You worked hard att eh boring crpa work. you learned the basics. you move on out to get more advanced training, and now you come back and start teaching the young guys, or inexperienced guys.

Do the work on your own. Read a book. Apply it to the real world. and get back to me. I’ll give you a few more to read.

2 years ago My son had a hunting accident. He fired his gun when he wasn’t supposed to. He had it in a safe direction, and no one was hurt, but dad here sure was pissed.

My boys was antsy, wanting to get a shot at a deer and was screwing around. After I screamed, lectured, talked nice to him, I gave him an assignment.

You read 25 books by next year, or you don’t go hunting. I bought some for him and loaned him a few others. He read action books, biographies, and even some books on various public policy. after a few months I didn’t even keep track, because he was well on his way and probably done his " assignment". and he still reads at almost 15.

He can argue circles around some of his dimwhitted liberal teachers. He has learned to think and put things together on his own.

You want some books to read to learn about this stuff, buy them, borrow them, and read them. You want to argue, argue blind. But if you want to see how others view things, try reading something more than a soundbite or a NY times editorial.

Read a book. You have Unintended Consequences. When you get done read some more. I’m sure we can give you a list.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m sure we can give you a list.
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I don’t want a list unless you give me a quick two sentence summary of what they are about first. Don’t tell me to read a book unless you are going to tell me what it’s about first.

There are billions of books and idea and not nearly enough time to get through them all. I don’t intend to waste my time with stuff I am not interested in.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

I prefer the Domari Nolo on the wife’s hip, but I’ll see what I can dredge up.

mike[/quote]

I think I will probably reserve comment on this thread(some of it is true and I have talked about it before…some of it is off base, but people rarely change their minds so what is the point?) but I just wanted to say that the tattoo is positively bad ass.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.[/quote]
Thanks, Will check it out!!

[quote]tom63 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
tom63 wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
pushharder wrote:
ron33 wrote:
When Cops screw up ,they just lie to cover their ass,and even if you have witness it does’nt do much good unless you have video to prove you are telling truth.The legal system know’s that juries generally side with police.We have local police force that has rep for pushing people around .and have been getting away with it for years.they even jumped 3 cops from another local police force and beat on them and were going to arrest until they found out they were 2 cops and police chief from smaller community.

This group made a friend of mines son that had never been in trouble in his life, was a honor student all through school,is mannerly and doesnt even cuss a felon.a few of their young off duty officers pushed him, he pushed back and they tripped over one another.later he was standind talking to friend by car when several not in uniform jumped him from behind,he struggled because he didnt know who was attacking him,he was face down struggling when he saw a police car pull up, and he thought good the police are here and quit struggling.then the cop that just pulled up ran up and started kicking him in head.

they split his head open and he wanted medical attention ,which they refused.he thought as a citizen he had rights and wanted medical attention.they put him in police car hand cuffed with blood all over him and stood there talking about what happened and laughing about it.being he is young, 24 and had just been attacked by 6-7 people from behind that werent in police uniforms he told them that they will think this is funny when they get a lawsuit against them.they put about 8 charges against him including disarming a police officer and assulting police.

his witnesses said none of this happened but lawyer said it didnt’ matter if you take it to jury trial the people believe the cops and with the charges they put on the boy he would have been sentenced to 3-5 yrs in prison.they made a plea agreement to 2 months in jail.this is an honest tax paying citizen since age of 16 that only had one speeding ticket previously.Made a felon by crooked Cops.Even the judge said he didnt understand how a young man with no record could get in this situation.

Read the book, Unintended Consequences. A solution to problems like the one above exists therein.

Could you spare us the time and tell us what the solution is ?

Read it yourself. that’s the problem with this country, lack of willingness to do the right thing which takes effort as opposed tot he easy thing that sounds cool.

You have people , ashamed of the fact , they read it. I will probably decline to read it , I only have so much time and do not like wasting it.

So let someone else do your work for what might be necessary information or helpful info? Lazy. You have plenty of time to argue liberal crap here, why not try reading a book with a different perspective?
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Thanks for your advice, I will cherish it always and if you feel so inspired please give me some more enlightening advice
Insincerely
Pittbulll