[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So why are they the hunters of their prides?
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Hunting means running down weaker animals, not picking fights with bigger ones.
The females hunt because lion society hasn’t been ruined by political correctness and the women accept that their job is to prepare food.
The males eat, sleep, fight and fuck. The females serve dinner.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So why are they the hunters of their prides?
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Hunting means running down weaker animals, not picking fights with bigger ones.
The females hunt because lion society hasn’t been ruined by political correctness and the women accept that their job is to prepare food.
The males eat, sleep, fight and fuck. The females serve dinner.[/quote]
Most African male lions are not part of a pride – they are on their own or part of a loose organization of male lions. It’s actually these solitary lions that are the most likely to be “man-eaters” because they get driven out of the good hunting grounds by prides.
It is the rare male lion that gets his harem and no longer has to be a primary hunter, but even they get in the game when it’s a big prey like a giraffe.
Back on topic:
FWIW, I’ve seen a black bear (small bear) take on a cougar (mountain lion) over a dead deer. The black bear chased off the mountain lion with ease.
I’d also note the polar bear vs. lion scenario played out in nature — sabre tooth tiger, which could have easily killed an African lion.
I don’t see many sabre tooth’s running around now, so I guess we know how that competition went, at least in part.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Back on topic:
FWIW, I’ve seen a black bear (small bear) take on a cougar (mountain lion) over a dead deer. The black bear chased off the mountain lion with ease.
I’d also note the polar bear vs. lion scenario played out in nature — sabre tooth tiger, which could have easily killed an African lion.
I don’t see many sabre tooth’s running around now, so I guess we know how that competition went, at least in part.[/quote]
Man was responsible for the demise of both the Wooly Mammoth and Sabre Tooth Tiger.
Most of the time, a big cat will not engage a larger animal for a long period, as it doen’t want to risk a life threatening injury.
Not arguing. I just wanted to put it out there.
you can’t forget the Tasmanian Devil. they would destroy a 30lb polar bear. strongest bite force of any mammal on earth. some, however, are a little dim.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt…
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Bertie, thou art full of poo poo.[/quote]
Coupled with the shoulder power to decapitate.
i was watching an interesting documentary on lions and hyenas, they were discussing the ongoing blood feud these two animals have been at for ever…
interesting factoids- Size matters
by “size” i mean total weight of the combatants. they found out that the average female lion was app 250lbs, the average hyena 175lbs. whenever there was a confrontation between female lions and hyenas, count the number on each side and multiply the respective weights, whichever side had more total weight, won the confrontation.
but this goes out the window when male lions are involved. the average male lion weighs app 500lbs. but even with this added weight, often the lions were outweighed in conflicts with hyenas due to the latter’s far superior numbers.
this did NOT matter when male lions were put into the weight equations. even despite great total weight of combatants disparities, lions won confrontations with hyenas when male lions participated.
point is, as far as fighting goes, male lions are just bad asses. hunting and fighting are very different things. sure the female lions do the majority of the hunting, but male lions basically lead short violent lives of just fighting and having sex and sleeping.
a male lions job is almost exclusively to impregnate females of his pride, and fight off other big males who want to take his job. also, males only join hunts when the pride is taking down especially large and aggressive prey, like 2000lb cape buffalo or 5000lb hippos, these types of prey tend to actually stand their ground and fight back and even win often. in essence, male lions either are fighting other male lioins or big bad ass prey animals.
a lion runs a pride usually on average only 2-3 years before he is killed in battle or run off by a younger bigger stronger meaner male.
basically, male lions who are big and bad enough to take a pride and hold it for a while, are at the top of the genetic pool as far as total bad-assery in the animal kingdom.
polar bear would still kick that ass though…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt…
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Bertie, thou art full of poo poo.[/quote]
That looks pretty blunt to me, Push. Here is a lion’s claw. THIS is a sharp claw.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt…
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Bertie, thou art full of poo poo.[/quote]
Here is a picture of a brown bear, which has blunt claws in comparison to the black bear. They are almost identical to the claws of a polar bear. My source was Gary Brown’s “The Great Bear Almanac”. Either way you try to spin it, when a polar bear goes into a fight with a tiger or a lion he will have the more blunt claws of the two.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt…
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Bertie, thou art full of poo poo.[/quote]
All claws are sharp. That’s what makes them claws. But as far as claws go, those are pretty blunt compared to most of the animals discussed in this thread.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i was watching an interesting documentary on lions and hyenas, they were discussing the ongoing blood feud these two animals have been at for ever…
interesting factoids- Size matters
by “size” i mean total weight of the combatants. they found out that the average female lion was app 250lbs, the average hyena 175lbs. whenever there was a confrontation between female lions and hyenas, count the number on each side and multiply the respective weights, whichever side had more total weight, won the confrontation.
but this goes out the window when male lions are involved. the average male lion weighs app 500lbs. but even with this added weight, often the lions were outweighed in conflicts with hyenas due to the latter’s far superior numbers.
this did NOT matter when male lions were put into the weight equations. even despite great total weight of combatants disparities, lions won confrontations with hyenas when male lions participated.
point is, as far as fighting goes, male lions are just bad asses. hunting and fighting are very different things. sure the female lions do the majority of the hunting, but male lions basically lead short violent lives of just fighting and having sex and sleeping.
a male lions job is almost exclusively to impregnate females of his pride, and fight off other big males who want to take his job. also, males only join hunts when the pride is taking down especially large and aggressive prey, like 2000lb cape buffalo or 5000lb hippos, these types of prey tend to actually stand their ground and fight back and even win often. in essence, male lions either are fighting other male lioins or big bad ass prey animals.
a lion runs a pride usually on average only 2-3 years before he is killed in battle or run off by a younger bigger stronger meaner male.
basically, male lions who are big and bad enough to take a pride and hold it for a while, are at the top of the genetic pool as far as total bad-assery in the animal kingdom.
polar bear would still kick that ass though…
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Good points, but I still disagree. The polar bear is much, much slower and less agile than a tiger or a lion. Combine that with their superior experience against other animals and it isn’t even close. Polar bears don’t really get attacked or find themselves fighting off large groups of animals to the extent that lions do. It does happen (walruses), but they mostly hunt seals where they can grab those fuckers through holes in the ice, which isn’t quite the same as chasing down a zebra or fighting off a pack of hyenas.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt…
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Bertie, thou art full of poo poo.[/quote]
It’s kind of like coming after me for saying that a 30 kiloton nuclear bomb has a small blast radius and then you show me a picture of about 7 square miles of destruction and lambast me for saying that that is small. Yeah, sure, a blast radius of 1.5 miles is not small at all, but when compared to a 100 kiloton bomb it is tiny. So it’s a small blast radius when compared to other nuclear bombs but it is not small in and of itself.
As was pointed out early on, the bear is 3x the size of the lion. I love to root for the underdog, but come on… That’s like a 300lb NFL defensive lineman fighting a 100lb mixed martial artist. “The MMA guy is soooo much faster and more agile and the D lineman doesn’t really know how to fight.”
Seriously, unless the MMA guy brought a gun and/or the NFL guy doesn’t know he’s in a fight, it doesn’t matter.
At all.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Weight shouldn’t be a factor here! (Are we talking p4p? dinosaur vs wolverine??)
After all, bears and tigers can overlap weight-wise.
So let’s take a 350 lbs siberian tiger vs a 350lbs grizzly/polar bear.
It’s a no ambush situation.
Both are slightly hungry and just discovered simultaneously a half eaten carcass.
Who wins?
I’m thinking tiger. At least against the brown bear.
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LOL a 350lb grizzly/polar bear sounds like a juvenile. Weight is part of the game. A bigger animal is a bigger animal. Trying to make an all-things-equal scenario kinda dissolves a fair deal of truth from the supposition.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
Back on topic:
FWIW, I’ve seen a black bear (small bear) take on a cougar (mountain lion) over a dead deer. The black bear chased off the mountain lion with ease.
I’d also note the polar bear vs. lion scenario played out in nature — sabre tooth tiger, which could have easily killed an African lion.
I don’t see many sabre tooth’s running around now, so I guess we know how that competition went, at least in part.[/quote]
Actually, pairing a sabre tooth with a short faced bear would be a more accurate portrayal of the aforementioned period
[quote]csulli wrote:
Orcas are crazy smart. I saw footage of them getting this seal that was trying to hide from them on a piece of floating ice. They would swim really fast in a strict formation underneath the ice to make huge waves that would knock the seal off. They like let this seal get away a few times so they could do it some more too. Like they were fucking with it before they killed it.
They also do shit like blowing a ton of bubbles around an enemy to " lay cover" for other orcas to surprise attack.[/quote]
Yeah I’ve seen. Though they likely weren’t deliberately torturing the seal. There were younger orcas present and the adults were likely using the seal as a teaching device for seal hunting 101 hence the repetition.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt…
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Switchblade or sledgehammer
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt…
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Switchblade or sledgehammer[/quote]
More like a 10lb chainsaw versus a 100lb sledgehammer.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Polar bears don’t really get attacked or find themselves fighting off large groups of animals to the extent that lions do. [/quote]
And why is that? Because they are POLAR BEARS!
You are right that their claws are not as sharp, but they have much more power behind them. would you rather get hit five times by Manny Pacquiao or once by George Foreman?
Something no one has mentioned is venue. Is this on the savannah or an ice floe?
