Polar Bear vs African Lion

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
This would never happen in the wild, because they live in two seperate habitats, but if a male polar bear in his prime was to meet an african male lion in its prime and a deadly fight ensued, who would be the winner? Both are brutally strong animals, although the polar bear has the size advantage. Both are apex predators in their environment. I want to go with the lion, but I don’t know.[/quote]

If we’re talking a head-to-head confrontation, I’d bet on the bear. It’s hard to describe just how incredibly resilient, powerful, and tenacious a bear can be in a direct confrontation – and how much damage it can take before going down.

Even the Siberian tiger vs. polar bear, I wouldn’t be eager to bet against the bear – tigers kill browns in ambush, not in samurai duels.

To relate it to another situation, many hunters can take down various bears from the side, with a variety of calibers of hunting rifle. Killing a charging bear, even with the largest calibers, isn’t as easy.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
This would never happen in the wild, because they live in two seperate habitats, but if a male polar bear in his prime was to meet an african male lion in its prime and a deadly fight ensued, who would be the winner? Both are brutally strong animals, although the polar bear has the size advantage. Both are apex predators in their environment. I want to go with the lion, but I don’t know.[/quote]

It would be safe to assume you’ve enjoyed a dog fight or 20 in your life.

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somewhat related

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Polar bear. Obvi.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
The female lions are the more dangerous anyway.[/quote]

Completely false.[/quote]

So why are they the hunters of their prides?

[/quote]

Females hunt in packs. Males have different roles. But males do hunt, contrary to popular opinion. If a male tiger is capable of hunting, and they weigh the same as if not more than a male lion, then the male lion is perfectly capable of hunting. The males take care of other males trespassing on their territory. The males also take care of the hienas.

Ask yourself this, the females hunt but the males always eat first. why is that? Cause the males are the leaders. Females hunt, cause their are many more females in a pride than males. [/quote]
hi, where have you been?

male lions don’t always eat first by the way

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Alloallo wrote:
Polar bear will beat Tiger, and tiger will beat lion.

A polar bear is twice the size of a tiger and a male tiger is 100 lb heavier than a male lion.

Polar will beat the cats for sure. Tiger is likely to beat a lion. Lion beats lioness, no doubt it.

What I am interested is Liger, which is bigger than lion and tiger combined. I wonder who is stronger, a liger or a polar bear.[/quote]

I don’t think a polar bear would stand a chance against a tiger OR a lion. The polar bear is larger, but it’s claws are blunt and they don’t typically take on anything bigger than a seal. They just don’t have the fighting experience that a lion or a tiger has. Sure, their immense size is an advantage, but that doesn’t really mean shit considering how much faster a lion and a tiger is. The polar bear won’t be able to eviscerate a lion/tiger with his claws, so he’d have to be able to literally grab ahold of the feline and crush its head with his jaws. That ain’t happening, because a lion or tiger would just eviscerate the polar bear. Those cats take on some pretty gnarly shit, whereas a polar bear pretty much is just a hunter of seals who don’t offer much of a fight at all. It would be like putting Andre the Giant in the ring with Cain Velasquez.[/quote]

Yeah, but how would a polar bear fare against a Woolfe?

:wink:

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You mean Woolf? Not well. They’re susceptible to rubbing alcohol.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Saw a documentary nature program about orcas verse great white sharks. The orca, who they knew had just eaten, stalked the white, rammed it and then held it upside down (which puts the shark in a passive state - something about hormones flooding the brain) and kept it there until it drowned. Then they said it was a blood explosion as the orcas ripped the shark in two.

Summary, orcas (killer whales) verse great white shark, winner is the orca.[/quote]

I saw that too. It’s crazy how smart whales and dolphins are. On that Planet Earth show (it might have been the other one that Oprah did the voiceover for) they showed these dolphins that would swim really fast in shallow water and stir up rings of dirt. The fish in the middle of the rings would freak out and try to jump out and the dolphins would just sit there and catch them out of the air.[/quote]

The average size Orca is alot larger than the average size Great white. You take an equal size great white against an orca, the great white would win.[/quote]
No, it wouldn’t. Orcas are significantly more intelligent. A pod would eviscerate a great white but assuming 1v1 the shark is still but fucked all other things being equal. Shark has keeping moving otherwise it would it would lose equilibrium and sink. That and the difference in intelligence alone would lend the orca a significant advantage.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Saw a documentary nature program about orcas verse great white sharks. The orca, who they knew had just eaten, stalked the white, rammed it and then held it upside down (which puts the shark in a passive state - something about hormones flooding the brain) and kept it there until it drowned. Then they said it was a blood explosion as the orcas ripped the shark in two.

Summary, orcas (killer whales) verse great white shark, winner is the orca.[/quote]

I saw that too. It’s crazy how smart whales and dolphins are. On that Planet Earth show (it might have been the other one that Oprah did the voiceover for) they showed these dolphins that would swim really fast in shallow water and stir up rings of dirt. The fish in the middle of the rings would freak out and try to jump out and the dolphins would just sit there and catch them out of the air.[/quote]

The average size Orca is alot larger than the average size Great white. You take an equal size great white against an orca, the great white would win.[/quote]
No, it wouldn’t. Orcas are significantly more intelligent. A pod would eviscerate a great white but assuming 1v1 the shark is still but fucked all other things being equal. Shark has keeping moving otherwise it would it would lose equilibrium and sink. That and the difference in intelligence alone would lend the orca a significant advantage.[/quote]

Agreed. This is a confrontation that actually occurs in nature and the orca always wins. It isn’t like Jaws 2.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Saw a documentary nature program about orcas verse great white sharks. The orca, who they knew had just eaten, stalked the white, rammed it and then held it upside down (which puts the shark in a passive state - something about hormones flooding the brain) and kept it there until it drowned. Then they said it was a blood explosion as the orcas ripped the shark in two.

Summary, orcas (killer whales) verse great white shark, winner is the orca.[/quote]

I saw that too. It’s crazy how smart whales and dolphins are. On that Planet Earth show (it might have been the other one that Oprah did the voiceover for) they showed these dolphins that would swim really fast in shallow water and stir up rings of dirt. The fish in the middle of the rings would freak out and try to jump out and the dolphins would just sit there and catch them out of the air.[/quote]

The average size Orca is alot larger than the average size Great white. You take an equal size great white against an orca, the great white would win.[/quote]
No, it wouldn’t. Orcas are significantly more intelligent. A pod would eviscerate a great white but assuming 1v1 the shark is still but fucked all other things being equal. Shark has keeping moving otherwise it would it would lose equilibrium and sink. That and the difference in intelligence alone would lend the orca a significant advantage.[/quote]

I knew a sea diver who was way more afraid of sea lions than sharks because of how much smarter they were.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Saw a documentary nature program about orcas verse great white sharks. The orca, who they knew had just eaten, stalked the white, rammed it and then held it upside down (which puts the shark in a passive state - something about hormones flooding the brain) and kept it there until it drowned. Then they said it was a blood explosion as the orcas ripped the shark in two.

Summary, orcas (killer whales) verse great white shark, winner is the orca.[/quote]

I saw that too. It’s crazy how smart whales and dolphins are. On that Planet Earth show (it might have been the other one that Oprah did the voiceover for) they showed these dolphins that would swim really fast in shallow water and stir up rings of dirt. The fish in the middle of the rings would freak out and try to jump out and the dolphins would just sit there and catch them out of the air.[/quote]

The average size Orca is alot larger than the average size Great white. You take an equal size great white against an orca, the great white would win.[/quote]
No, it wouldn’t. Orcas are significantly more intelligent. A pod would eviscerate a great white but assuming 1v1 the shark is still but fucked all other things being equal. Shark has keeping moving otherwise it would it would lose equilibrium and sink. That and the difference in intelligence alone would lend the orca a significant advantage.[/quote]

I knew a sea diver who was way more afraid of sea lions than sharks because of how much smarter they were. [/quote]
Sea lions and seals are actually really big animals too.

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Orcas are crazy smart. I saw footage of them getting this seal that was trying to hide from them on a piece of floating ice. They would swim really fast in a strict formation underneath the ice to make huge waves that would knock the seal off. They like let this seal get away a few times so they could do it some more too. Like they were fucking with it before they killed it.

They also do shit like blowing a ton of bubbles around an enemy to " lay cover" for other orcas to surprise attack.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Saw a documentary nature program about orcas verse great white sharks. The orca, who they knew had just eaten, stalked the white, rammed it and then held it upside down (which puts the shark in a passive state - something about hormones flooding the brain) and kept it there until it drowned. Then they said it was a blood explosion as the orcas ripped the shark in two.

Summary, orcas (killer whales) verse great white shark, winner is the orca.[/quote]

I saw that too. It’s crazy how smart whales and dolphins are. On that Planet Earth show (it might have been the other one that Oprah did the voiceover for) they showed these dolphins that would swim really fast in shallow water and stir up rings of dirt. The fish in the middle of the rings would freak out and try to jump out and the dolphins would just sit there and catch them out of the air.[/quote]

The average size Orca is alot larger than the average size Great white. You take an equal size great white against an orca, the great white would win.[/quote]
No, it wouldn’t. Orcas are significantly more intelligent. A pod would eviscerate a great white but assuming 1v1 the shark is still but fucked all other things being equal. Shark has keeping moving otherwise it would it would lose equilibrium and sink. That and the difference in intelligence alone would lend the orca a significant advantage.[/quote]

I knew a sea diver who was way more afraid of sea lions than sharks because of how much smarter they were. [/quote]
Sea lions and seals are actually really big animals too.[/quote]

Well over 600lbs some of em. Much too large for me to take in a fight.

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Weight shouldn’t be a factor here! (Are we talking p4p? dinosaur vs wolverine??)

After all, bears and tigers can overlap weight-wise.

So let’s take a 350 lbs siberian tiger vs a 350lbs grizzly/polar bear.

It’s a no ambush situation.
Both are slightly hungry and just discovered simultaneously a half eaten carcass.
Who wins?

I’m thinking tiger. At least against the brown bear.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
You mean Woolf? [/quote]

Oops. Yes.

My agent spells her name ending with e.

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Sort of on topic:

Anyone ever done a bear fight? Jäger bomb chased by an Irish car bomb.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Sort of on topic:

Anyone ever done a bear fight? Jäger bomb chased by an Irish car bomb.[/quote]

Back when I used to drink I fought bears more frequently than I care to admit. But I just called it “a one-way ticket to Oblivion”. I think I had legal residency there at one point.

Also sort of on topic:

Back in the late 1600’s up until the 1800’s when the Spanish colonized California, the big form of entertainment was to go up into the Sierra Nevadas, grab a big California grizzly and then stick it in the ring with a fucking Spanish bull. Man, what a fight that must have been! I’ll have to do a little research to see how those fights usually ended up.

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Here’s a little story about bulls taking on bears.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Sort of on topic:

Anyone ever done a bear fight? J�¤ger bomb chased by an Irish car bomb.[/quote]

Back when I used to drink I fought bears more frequently than I care to admit. But I just called it “a one-way ticket to Oblivion”. I think I had legal residency there at one point.

Also sort of on topic:

Back in the late 1600’s up until the 1800’s when the Spanish colonized California, the big form of entertainment was to go up into the Sierra Nevadas, grab a big California grizzly and then stick it in the ring with a fucking Spanish bull. Man, what a fight that must have been! I’ll have to do a little research to see how those fights usually ended up.[/quote]

Useless trivia: This is supposedly the origin of the Bull and Bear market expression. Bulls would gore upward and bears would swat downward.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Weight shouldn’t be a factor here! (Are we talking p4p? dinosaur vs wolverine??)

After all, bears and tigers can overlap weight-wise.

So let’s take a 350 lbs siberian tiger vs a 350lbs grizzly/polar bear.

It’s a no ambush situation.
Both are slightly hungry and just discovered simultaneously a half eaten carcass.
Who wins?

I’m thinking tiger. At least against the brown bear.
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But wait a second…if weight isn’t a factor, then it sort of makes the whole species vs. species analysis meaningless.

It’s like saying, “who would win in a fight between Mike Tyson and Oscar de la Hoya – but Tyson has to be de la Hoya’s weight”

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That’s not really what I am saying.
Pound for pound discussions (ie Tyson vs de la Hoya) are as old as combat sports.
However one looks at them, they certainly make even less sense in the animal kingdom (where insects would pretty much rule them all through all sorts of dirty tricks).

Thankfully we can evade that slippery slope by just saying:
300 lbs tiger vs 300 lbs bear.
Or maybe even 700 lbs, which is a good weight for a grown siberian tiger male.

I think it’s abundantly clear that a tiger, no matter how big, will not charge a half-a-ton grizzly.

While a bear has better wrestling (yes, I do feel stupid for typing that) and probably (~70%) gets top control -bears wrestle for dominance with each other and tigers, like all cats, like to “pull guard”- the tiger has a pound for pound better bite and tends to rake with his hind legs.

The brown bear will freak at one point and run off, he’s not interested in getting killed when he can munch salmon or berries (which btw are way better for his poop).
There is footage and reports of bears retreating from all sorts of defiance.
Dogs, Lynxes, even a screaming grandma can scare them away.

Not so with a tiger.
No way granny can scream her way out.
This beast is 100% carnivore. Cats hate vegans and I doubt we will ever encounter a feline hippie cousin akin to the panda.
The tiger just sees his lunch running away.

So now endurance comes in:
And big cats have lousy stamina.
If the tiger won’t get a good bite on the retreating bears spine or throat, the bear, a more resilient creature, will get away.
Since bears have a thick, hairy neck, choking him lunch-ready is still questionable.

tl;dr:
If a tiger survives GnP (~80%), he might do a mata ursu (35%).
Things are different against a polar bear, though.