Poetry

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:
No passion huh?

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I’m pretty sure he meant the English translations of Mayakovsky’s Russian poems had no passion.

Swiss…just busting your chops about Kipling. I am curious about everyone that’s listing poems from the 1800’s and earlier as some of their favorites. I honestly can’t stand that stuff and think it’s largely responsible for why most people say they don’t like poetry. To me, IF sounds like a Hallmark greeting card.

I have a bachelor’s degree in English Literature. I spent 4 years reading Yeats, Kipling, Shakespeare, etc…I understand the poetry and realize it’s some of the best poetry ever written, but…it doesn’t speak to me. It’s painful to read in any sense besides ‘studying’ it.

To me, listing a Shakespeareian (sp)Sonnet as your favorite poem would be like saying Prelude in F by Bach is your favorite song. I’m not arguing that it’s not one of the greatest songs ever, I just would rather listen to something from the 21st century.

I know this is all subjective and my favorite poets probably suck too and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone. Just dialogueing.

[quote]sen say wrote:
dumbbellhead wrote:
No passion huh?

I’m pretty sure he meant the English translations of Mayakovsky’s Russian poems had no passion.

Swiss…just busting your chops about Kipling. I am curious about everyone that’s listing poems from the 1800’s and earlier as some of their favorites. I honestly can’t stand that stuff and think it’s largely responsible for why most people say they don’t like poetry. To me, IF sounds like a Hallmark greeting card.

I have a bachelor’s degree in English Literature. I spent 4 years reading Yeats, Kipling, Shakespeare, etc…I understand the poetry and realize it’s some of the best poetry ever written, but…it doesn’t speak to me. It’s painful to read in any sense besides ‘studying’ it.

To me, listing a Shakespeareian (sp)Sonnet as your favorite poem would be like saying Prelude in F by Bach is your favorite song. I’m not arguing that it’s not one of the greatest songs ever, I just would rather listen to something from the 21st century.

I know this is all subjective and my favorite poets probably suck too and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone. Just dialogueing.[/quote]

I feel you man, but free verse has ruined poetry in my opinion. Pretty much any whiny cocksucker can now go out and throw some lines together without rhyme scheme, without alliteration, without meter, and call it poetry.

When you had people like Yeats doing their thing, you knew it took time and a tremendous amount of skill to be able to fit those ideas into a prescribed syllable count and rhyme it and still make it crazy. And Yeats especially- the guy had extraordinary flow. But many others too, like the Francois Villon, many of Tennyson’s poems, etc. are some of the best shit every put on paper.

[quote]sen say wrote:
dumbbellhead wrote:
No passion huh?

I’m pretty sure he meant the English translations of Mayakovsky’s Russian poems had no passion.

Swiss…just busting your chops about Kipling. I am curious about everyone that’s listing poems from the 1800’s and earlier as some of their favorites. I honestly can’t stand that stuff and think it’s largely responsible for why most people say they don’t like poetry. To me, IF sounds like a Hallmark greeting card.

I have a bachelor’s degree in English Literature. I spent 4 years reading Yeats, Kipling, Shakespeare, etc…I understand the poetry and realize it’s some of the best poetry ever written, but…it doesn’t speak to me. It’s painful to read in any sense besides ‘studying’ it.

To me, listing a Shakespeareian (sp)Sonnet as your favorite poem would be like saying Prelude in F by Bach is your favorite song. I’m not arguing that it’s not one of the greatest songs ever, I just would rather listen to something from the 21st century.

I know this is all subjective and my favorite poets probably suck too and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone. Just dialogueing.[/quote]

I undersand where you’re going and it’s a fair point. Since you’ve studied Litterature I guess it puts you in a different situation; I haven’t had to study any form of poetry or prose since the age of 18 (And hooray for that, my teacher was disastrous).

Personally, I find the parallel between music and poetry a hard one to grasp because I won’t be reading poetry for every day pleasure as I would music.

Occasionally I will come across or am sent a piece of work that I find challenging, stimulating or just different. These are the ones I like to think about or reread for inspiration etc.

With music I have certain pieces that will fit the same description, say Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto Num. 3, pieces I do not listen to frequently but I can list as my favourite.

On the other hand, I have a large list of favourite more accessible (standard) songs like ACDC - Thunderstuck.

The lack of a comparable “registry” of poems is something I think you’ll find characterises the majority of non-litterature students.

My ex studied like you and she always had new poems around the place. Where do they come from? :wink:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
sen say wrote:
dumbbellhead wrote:
No passion huh?

I’m pretty sure he meant the English translations of Mayakovsky’s Russian poems had no passion.

Swiss…just busting your chops about Kipling. I am curious about everyone that’s listing poems from the 1800’s and earlier as some of their favorites. I honestly can’t stand that stuff and think it’s largely responsible for why most people say they don’t like poetry. To me, IF sounds like a Hallmark greeting card.

I have a bachelor’s degree in English Literature. I spent 4 years reading Yeats, Kipling, Shakespeare, etc…I understand the poetry and realize it’s some of the best poetry ever written, but…it doesn’t speak to me. It’s painful to read in any sense besides ‘studying’ it.

To me, listing a Shakespeareian (sp)Sonnet as your favorite poem would be like saying Prelude in F by Bach is your favorite song. I’m not arguing that it’s not one of the greatest songs ever, I just would rather listen to something from the 21st century.

I know this is all subjective and my favorite poets probably suck too and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone. Just dialogueing.

I feel you man, but free verse has ruined poetry in my opinion. Pretty much any whiny cocksucker can now go out and throw some lines together without rhyme scheme, without alliteration, without meter, and call it poetry.

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That’s why Free Verse is the best poetry there is. Anyone can do it, but it takes true talent to do it right. Any idiot can rhyme, but it takes great skill to make poetry out of what is essentially prose. Most poets use literary technique and convention as a crutch.

Probably my favorite: 170. To a foil’d European Revolutionaire. Whitman, Walt. 1900. Leaves of Grass

What place is besieged?

What place is besieged, and vainly tries to raise the siege?
Lo, I send to that place a commander, swift, brave, immortal
And with him horse and foot, and parks of artillery,
And artillerymen, the deadliest that ever fired gun.

“Together Apart”

Beginning, divided
In the blink of an eyelid
The question: commitment
We two are an island
Attached at the seam
And places unseen
Twisting, tumultuous passion
Serene

©2007 Mark C. Collins

“Exchange”

“I win!” She said,
Counting her pile.

“I always lose.”
He said with a smile.

“Goddamn, I’m good!”
She said at once.

“My bad.” he said
Portraying the dunce.

“I think, therefore, I rule.”
She noted.

“My rule: I’m there for you.”
He quoted.

“You’re never here!”
She blurted out.

“Do you ever hear?”
He said with a shout.

“I get on fine.”
She said with a cough.

And he shot back,
“Where do you get off?”

“This stop.” said she
And left the train.

“Don’t go.” he whispered.
But in vain.

©2007 Mark C. Collins

[quote]sen say wrote:
dumbbellhead wrote:
No passion huh?

I’m pretty sure he meant the English translations of Mayakovsky’s Russian poems had no passion.

Swiss…just busting your chops about Kipling. I am curious about everyone that’s listing poems from the 1800’s and earlier as some of their favorites. I honestly can’t stand that stuff and think it’s largely responsible for why most people say they don’t like poetry. To me, IF sounds like a Hallmark greeting card.

I have a bachelor’s degree in English Literature. I spent 4 years reading Yeats, Kipling, Shakespeare, etc…I understand the poetry and realize it’s some of the best poetry ever written, but…it doesn’t speak to me. It’s painful to read in any sense besides ‘studying’ it.

To me, listing a Shakespeareian (sp)Sonnet as your favorite poem would be like saying Prelude in F by Bach is your favorite song. I’m not arguing that it’s not one of the greatest songs ever, I just would rather listen to something from the 21st century.

I know this is all subjective and my favorite poets probably suck too and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone. Just dialogueing.[/quote]

Sen Say, have you ever considered… with your degree and all, that perhaps people still connect with these old confessions and lamentations because it is written in a way that is unlike that which we read today? That they convey things still felt in this current climate in so much better language than we are used to? Same story, better words. Lost words as a matter of fact, and I think it’s a shame. I like modern poetry. Poems about drunk kids are great. We all relate. See what I did there?

I can really understand your incessant need to bring current poets into the forefront… god knows it’s a lost art. I just don’t think burying the best of the past is going to catapult this goal. I’m thrilled that any fucker is reading Yeats and Kipling really, much less having it enhance their lives and posting about it.

I’m elated when somebody isn’t reading bullshit about Paris fucking Hilton. Or what posh spice was wearing at some event. If they want to read Poe… god let them, and thank you I say. It sure as hell makes for better discussion in the break room. Not that it has ever happened.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
sen say wrote:
dumbbellhead wrote:
No passion huh?

I’m pretty sure he meant the English translations of Mayakovsky’s Russian poems had no passion.

Swiss…just busting your chops about Kipling. I am curious about everyone that’s listing poems from the 1800’s and earlier as some of their favorites. I honestly can’t stand that stuff and think it’s largely responsible for why most people say they don’t like poetry. To me, IF sounds like a Hallmark greeting card.

I have a bachelor’s degree in English Literature. I spent 4 years reading Yeats, Kipling, Shakespeare, etc…I understand the poetry and realize it’s some of the best poetry ever written, but…it doesn’t speak to me. It’s painful to read in any sense besides ‘studying’ it.

To me, listing a Shakespeareian (sp)Sonnet as your favorite poem would be like saying Prelude in F by Bach is your favorite song. I’m not arguing that it’s not one of the greatest songs ever, I just would rather listen to something from the 21st century.

I know this is all subjective and my favorite poets probably suck too and I’m not trying to disrespect anyone. Just dialogueing.

Sen Say, have you ever considered… with your degree and all, that perhaps people still connect with these old confessions and lamentations because it is written in a way that is unlike that which we read today? That they convey things still felt in this current climate in so much better language than we are used to? Same story, better words. Lost words as a matter of fact, and I think it’s a shame. I like modern poetry. Poems about drunk kids are great. We all relate. See what I did there?

I can really understand your incessant need to bring current poets into the forefront… god knows it’s a lost art. I just don’t think burying the best of the past is going to catapult this goal. I’m thrilled that any fucker is reading Yeats and Kipling really, much less having it enhance their lives and posting about it.

I’m elated when somebody isn’t reading bullshit about Paris fucking Hilton. Or what posh spice was wearing at some event. If they want to read Poe… god let them, and thank you I say. It sure as hell makes for better discussion in the break room. Not that it has ever happened.[/quote]

The Romantic stuff from the mid-late nineteenth century is the greatest literature the world will ever see. Fuck modern. Modern is trash.

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore?
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over?
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

Langston Hughes-Harlem

When I do count the clock that tells the time,
And see the brave day sunk in hideous night;
When I behold the violet past prime,
And sable curls all silver’d o’er with white;
When lofty trees I see barren of leaves
Which erst from heat did canopy the herd,
And summer’s green all girded up in sheaves
Borne on the bier with white and bristly beard,
Then of thy beauty do I question make,
That thou among the wastes of time must go,
Since sweets and beauties do themselves forsake
And die as fast as they see others grow;
And nothing 'gainst Time’s scythe can make defence
Save breed, to brave him when he takes thee hence.

Shakespeare-Sonnet 12

DEATH be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not so,
For, those, whom thou think’st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better then thy stroake; why swell’st thou then;
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.

Death Be Not Proud-John Donne

I have many more, but I’m not gonna post them all.

Love Sonnet XI

I crave your mouth, your voice, your hair.
Silent and starving, I prowl through the streets.
Bread does not nourish me, dawn disrupts me, all day
I hunt for the liquid measure of your steps.

I hunger for your sleek laugh,
your hands the color of a savage harvest,
hunger for the pale stones of your fingernails,
I want to eat your skin like a whole almond.

I want to eat the sunbeam flaring in your lovely body,
the sovereign nose of your arrogant face,
I want to eat the fleeting shade of your lashes,

and I pace around hungry, sniffing the twilight,
hunting for you, for your hot heart,
Like a puma in the barrens of Quitratue.

~Pablo Neruda
(Translated by Stephen Tapscott)

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
Sen Say, have you ever considered… with your degree and all,
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Sorry if I sounded like a prickish know-it-all. My intention was to get past any comments of people saying, ‘oh yeah…what do you know ya big dummy’?

[quote]
that perhaps people still connect with these old confessions and lamentations because it is written in a way that is unlike that which we read today? That they convey things still felt in this current climate in so much better language than we are used to? Same story, better words. Lost words as a matter of fact, and I think it’s a shame. [/quote]

If that’s the case that’s great. I’m believing the case is usually rather that the poetry Canon has been forced down people’s throats by dopey English teachers and publishers.

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I like modern poetry. Poems about drunk kids are great. We all relate. See what I did there? [/quote]

Yes ! I saw that.

Incessant??

[quote]need to bring current poets into the forefront… god knows it’s a lost art. I just don’t think burying the best of the past is going to catapult this goal. I’m thrilled that any fucker is reading Yeats and Kipling really, much less having it enhance their lives and posting about it.

I’m elated when somebody isn’t reading bullshit about Paris fucking Hilton. Or what posh spice was wearing at some event. If they want to read Poe… god let them, and thank you I say. It sure as hell makes for better discussion in the break room. Not that it has ever happened.[/quote]

Agreed.

I’m not a big fan of poetry, but I really like this one:

Ode to a Nightingale - John Keats

My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:
'Tis not through envy of thy happy lot,
But being too happy in thine happiness,–
That thou, light-winged Dryad of the trees
In some melodious plot
Of beechen green, and shadows numberless,
Singest of summer in full-throated ease.

O, for a draught of vintage! that hath been
Cool’d a long age in the deep-delved earth,
Tasting of Flora and the country green,
Dance, and Provençal song, and sunburnt mirth!
O for a beaker full of the warm South,
Full of the true, the blushful Hippocrene,
With beaded bubbles winking at the brim,
And purple-stained mouth;
That I might drink, and leave the world unseen,
And with thee fade away into the forest dim:

Fade far away, dissolve, and quite forget
What thou among the leaves hast never known,
The weariness, the fever, and the fret
Here, where men sit and hear each other groan;
Where palsy shakes a few, sad, last gray hairs,
Where youth grows pale, and spectre-thin, and dies;
Where but to think is to be full of sorrow
And leaden-eyed despairs,
Where Beauty cannot keep her lustrous eyes,
Or new Love pine at them beyond to-morrow.

Away! away! for I will fly to thee,
Not charioted by Bacchus and his pards,
But on the viewless wings of Poesy,
Though the dull brain perplexes and retards:
Already with thee! tender is the night,
And haply the Queen-Moon is on her throne,
Cluster’d around by all her starry Fays;
But here there is no light,
Save what from heaven is with the breezes blown
Through verdurous glooms and winding mossy ways.

I cannot see what flowers are at my feet,
Nor what soft incense hangs upon the boughs,
But, in embalmed darkness, guess each sweet
Wherewith the seasonable month endows
The grass, the thicket, and the fruit-tree wild;
White hawthorn, and the pastoral eglantine;
Fast fading violets cover’d up in leaves;
And mid-May’s eldest child,
The coming musk-rose, full of dewy wine,
The murmurous haunt of flies on summer eves.

Darkling I listen; and, for many a time
I have been half in love with easeful Death,
Call’d him soft names in many a mused rhyme,
To take into the air my quiet breath;
Now more than ever seems it rich to die,
To cease upon the midnight with no pain,
While thou art pouring forth thy soul abroad
In such an ecstasy!
Still wouldst thou sing, and I have ears in vain–
To thy high requiem become a sod.

Thou wast not born for death, immortal Bird!
No hungry generations tread thee down;
The voice I hear this passing night was heard
In ancient days by emperor and clown:
Perhaps the self-same song that found a path
Through the sad heart of Ruth, when, sick for home,
She stood in tears amid the alien corn;
The same that oft-times hath
Charm’d magic casements, opening on the foam
Of perilous seas, in faery lands forlorn.

Forlorn! the very word is like a bell
To toll me back from thee to my sole self!
Adieu! the fancy cannot cheat so well
As she is fam’d to do, deceiving elf.
Adieu! adieu! thy plaintive anthem fades
Past the near meadows, over the still stream,
Up the hill-side; and now 'tis buried deep
In the next valley-glades:
Was it a vision, or a waking dream?
Fled is that music:–Do I wake or sleep?

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
I’m not a big fan of poetry, but I really like this one:

Ode to a Nightingale - John Keats

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What is it you like about it?

Here’s a poem I like by Billy Collins.

It’s called Another Reason I Don’t Keep A Gun In The House:

"The neighbors’ dog will not stop barking.
He is barking the same high, rhythmic bark
that he barks every time they leave the house.
They must switch him on on their way out.

The neighbors’ dog will not stop barking.
I close all the windows in the house
and put on a Beethoven symphony full blast
but I can still hear him muffled under the music,
barking, barking, barking,

and now I can see him sitting in the orchestra,
his head raised confidently as if Beethoven
had included a part for barking dog.

When the record finally ends he is still barking,
sitting there in the oboe section barking,
his eyes fixed on the conductor who is
entreating him with his baton

while the other musicians listen in respectful
silence to the famous barking dog solo,
that endless coda that first established
Beethoven as an innovative genius."

I like this poem for many reasons.

  1. The title makes me laugh. I actually say this title a lot whenever I’m frustrated with something, or upset and it helps me become unfrustrated or un-upset. It also elicits a knowing laugh from She Say who doesn’t like poetry and probably doesn’t remember I once read her this poem.

  2. Dealing with a neighbor’s barking dog is something I put up with fairly frequently. When I have to confront my neighbor and ask them to do something for the poor, neglected dog, I can think of this poem and be nice about dealing with the idiot neighbor.

3)The repetition of the line, ‘The neighbors’ dog will not stop barking’ sounds really good read aloud or in my mind when I’m reading silently.

4)The transformation from the neighbor’s barking dog to the dog sitting in the orchestra soloing over Beethoven is brilliant. It juxtaposes the mundaneness of the dog barking with the elegance of an orchestra.

  1. The poem ultimately entertains me and makes me look at life differently.

From Alan Seeger, the poet of the Legion

I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
When Spring comes back with rustling shade
And apple blossoms fill the air-
I have a rendezvous with Death
When Spring brings back blue days and fair.

It may be he shall take my hand
And lead me into his dark land,
And close my eyes and quench my breath-
It may be I shall pass him still.
I have a rendezvous with Death
On some scarred slope of battered hill,
When Spring comes round again this year
And the first meadow flowers appear.

God knows 'twere better to be deep
Pillowed in silk and scented down,
Where Love throbs out in blissful sleep,
Pulse nigh to pulse, and breath to breath,
Where hushed awakenings are dear . . .
But I’ve a rendezvous with Death
At midnight in some flaming town,
When Spring trips north again this year;
And I to my pledged word am true,
I shall not fail that rendezvous.

In my craft or sullen art
Exercised in the still night
When only the moon rages
And the lovers lie abed
With all their griefs in their arms,
I labour by singing light
Not for ambition or bread
Or the strut and trade of charms
On the ivory stages
But for the common wages
Of their most secret heart.

Not for the proud man apart
From the raging moon I write
On these spindrift pages
Not for the towering dead
With their nightingales and psalms
But for the lovers, their arms
Round the griefs of the ages,
Who pay no praise or wages
Nor heed my craft or art.

– Dylan Thomas

[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
In my craft or sullen art
Exercised in the still night
When only the moon rages
And the lovers lie abed
With all their griefs in their arms,
I labour by singing light
Not for ambition or bread
Or the strut and trade of charms
On the ivory stages
But for the common wages
Of their most secret heart.

Not for the proud man apart
From the raging moon I write
On these spindrift pages
Not for the towering dead
With their nightingales and psalms
But for the lovers, their arms
Round the griefs of the ages,
Who pay no praise or wages
Nor heed my craft or art.

– Dylan Thomas
[/quote]

Dylan Thomas eats dick with a knife and fork.

Had I the heaven’s embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half-light,

I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

William Butler Yeats, He Wishes for the Clothes of Heaven

Also, the Sith creed is pretty badass:

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

[quote]sen say wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
I’m not a big fan of poetry, but I really like this one:

Ode to a Nightingale - John Keats

What is it you like about it?[/quote]

I actually had to read it for class, and a bunch of other ones too. It’s a sad poem, but joyful too.

I believe Keats wrote it while he was dying, and I believe he died really young.

I especially like the line: “Thou wast not born for death immortal bird!” I honestly can’t explain why, but it is such a bright and cheerful line.

kudos to whoever submitted the larkin poems. he’s a favorite.

i’m suspicious of people who name the classics as their favorites. not that the classics are bad, it’s just that when someone names those as their favorites, it usually (note that i said “usually”) means they haven’t read much of anything past what was assigned in the last lit class they took, whether that was in high school or their sophomore year of college.

for instance, i think Poe was great and historically important, etc, but when i meet someone who isn’t 14-19 years old but who is still really into Poe, they either haven’t read much since high school and/or are trying to be goth.

i hope i’m not offending anyone. i’m not trying to suggest that you’re uneducated if you prefer the classics, i’m just describing my experience with different kinds of readers.

that being said, billy collins blows.

the ball poem
john berryman
(suggested: any and all of the dream songs)

What is the boy now, who has lost his ball,
What, what is he to do? I saw it go
Merrily bouncing, down the street, and then
Merrily over?there it is in the water!
No use to say ‘O there are other balls’:
An ultimate shaking grief fixes the boy
As he stands rigid, trembling, staring down
All his young days into the harbour where
His ball went. I would not intrude on him,
A dime, another ball, is worthless. Now
He senses first responsibility
In a world of possessions. People will take balls,
Balls will be lost always, little boy,
And no one buys a ball back. Money is external.
He is learning, well behind his desperate eyes,
The epistemology of loss, how to stand up
Knowing what every man must one day know
And most know many days, how to stand up
And gradually light returns to the street
A whistle blows, the ball is out of sight,
Soon part of me will explore the deep and dark
Floor of the harbour . . I am everywhere,
I suffer and move, my mind and my heart move
With all that move me, under the water
Or whistling, I am not a little boy.