Substances:
Testosterone Enanthate - 300mg (split into 2x150mg doses on monday morning and thursday evening)
HCG - 250iu once every 3 days
Tamoxifen - 20mg 1xday for PCT
Arimidex - 1mg 1xday if estrogenic sides become too great (on hand)
Timeline
Before starting - Bloodwork (upper grade optimale) - done
First 6 weeks - a lot of water weight
6th Week - Bloodwork (lower grade optimale)
12th Week - Bloodwork (lower grade optimale)
16th Week - End Cycle (lower grade optimale)
Procedures
Reconstitution of HCG
SubQ Injection of Test
IM Injection of Test
Costs
(Atlas)
30xTamoxifen Tablets - ÂŁ30
2x5000iu of hcg - ÂŁ60
25xArimidex Tablets - ÂŁ25
(Test already have from atlas)
(Medisave)
23gx1”x100 - £4.39 (for drawing IM)
Luer lock syringe 2.5ml x100 - ÂŁ11.99
21g 1” x100 - £13.99 (for injecting IM)
BD Micro Fine+ 0.5ml U100 Insulin Syringe & Needle 30g x 8mm x 100 (for injecting SubQ) - ÂŁ16.99
Total cost = ÂŁ162
what do you hope to achieve?
You are mixing up the draw and injection needle right? Or you really going to jab yourself with a 21 gauge needle. I did that a few decades ago. Not pleasant and not necessary. That is a really aggressive Armidex approach. Maybe search crashing e2. That’s not much Test. Not too much over my prescription for TRT. Curious whether you will keep any gains by the end of PCT and a month after that. Some might suggest the HCG towards the end, clomid a few weeks after last injection.
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Why would you mix IM and subq injections?
Sounds like an AI generated post here.
As much as we care how much the needles cost you give 0 info that actually matters.
Try again.
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HCG can be done SubQ or IM but SubQ is typically less painful 
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I don’t think AI would say “lower grade optimale” or “upper grade optimale”
Thanks for catching the needle sizes - yeah I got those muddled up. Should I split the arimidex packs into halves? I doubt I’m going to get much aromatisation on 300mg to start but I am going to increase over time up to 500mg per week..
Then it’s even worse than I thought. You have 0 idea what your doing and should not be touching drugs.
Try maybe giving some information other than this copy/paste if you want advice.
WhonixOS
Fair point — I didn’t include enough context. Not AI, just copy/paste from my own notes.
Body stats: 170cm / 65kg / ~12% BF, training for a few years. Goal is to reach ~70kg of muscle at similar BF.
Baseline labs: HDL slightly above normal range (fine), Albumin slightly above normal range (dehydration). All others normal (TT, SHBG, E2, FSH, LH etc)
Main questions:
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When should I increase dose from 300mg/week to 500mg/week
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What’s a more sensible AI contingency plan to avoid crashing E2?
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Any changes to HCG timing or PCT to improve recovery?
Appreciate any experience-based input. I am a medical student so I’m comfortable with the relevant medicine and pharmacology but I know little about actual usage.
I am always looking at the long game. I would run 300mg/wk for the first cycle. Then ask, “Did I make fairly good progress?” If you did, run it again the next cycle.
When progress plateaus, increase the AAS with either more testosterone or a stack. You want to run the least amount of AAS you can and still make progress.
I used this incremental process improvement method the entire three decades that I competed. Your aim is to start each cycle stronger and bigger than you started the previous cycle.
I didn’t reach any diminishing returns the first nine years I used AAS. Every year I was better than I was the previous year.
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This is better. TY.
Start at 500 and run it for the entire cycle. It takes 4-5 weeks for you to reach full saturation. The only time I would advocate for changing dosing is if you were doing a very long off season cycle which you are not. 500mg/ start to finish.
I would start with arimidex at .5mg 2x per week and see where you are at 6 week bloods. Just be aware of how you are feeling. Achy joints could mean low estrogen. itchy nips/over emotional could mean elevated estrogen. There is nothing wrong with elevated estrogen as long as it’s not out of control or you not getting sides. The relationship between test and estrogen is linear so as you test rises so will estrogen. It just needs to be managed.
Personally I would not take HCG unless you are on long term TRT. Your balls aren’t going to vaporize in 14-16 weeks. If you want to take it for a few weeks following PCT then that’s up to you but I don’t feel it’s needed. The only thing it really does is keep seamen volume high.
For PCT, wait 3 weeks until after last shot and then I would use clomid for 6 weeks at 50/50/25/25/12.5/12.5 mg/day
For supplies I would get 1ml syringes with 20-22ga needles for drawing and get 25ga/1" for injecting. All injections should be done IM. You can get just 25ga and draw and inject with that it will just take longer to draw into the syringe.
Start a log in the training logs section so we can follow along
Thanks for the advice - I am aiming to get 5kg of muscle out of this cycle and then likely not do much more for the remainder of my life. I have little ambition to compete. My facial structure is quite young/unimposing so a very muscular frame would be a bit incongruent with what I’m trying to achieve. I like the sustainability of your approach but I’m not sure its right for me.
You might not get as much lean weight gain as you wish with a single cycle, and it will be difficult to sustain those gains off cycle.
Also, you need to hold the gained muscle for an extended period of time for your body to reestablish a set point for that additional muscle gain
you weigh 65kg? you don’t need drugs, you need food.