Planning for PCT

Pharma / TRT
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I am a 50 year old male using gear for the first time. I am using weight-loss injections (Zepbound as prescribed) and also using Test C (200 mg twice a week) and Anavar (15 mg daily). Up until I turned 40 I was lucky enough to have a pretty good physique with minimal effort (mostly partying). My first son was born when I was 37, and between fatherhood, law school at 42, owning a small law firm now, and dealing with my aging parents, I have gained roughly 50lbs of fat in the last decade. This year I just decided it’s time for better living through chemistry. I am 4 weeks into my first cycle. I have lost about 8 lbs of fat and have noticeable increases in strength during training.

I still have 8 weeks left in my cycle, but I want to plan for PCT, and I have a few questions. I’ve done most of my research from a book called Anabolics by William Llewellyn. I’ve also read Steroids for Novices by R Smith. I just recently found and joined this website and this is my first post (please be kind).

Llewellyn recommend this as the classic PCT protocol:

“Protocols: Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is taken at 2000IU every other day for 20 days. Clomiphene citrate 50 mg is taken twice per day for 30 days.Tamoxifen citrate is taken 20 mg twice per day for 45 days.”

R Smith recommends the same three compounds but at different dosages and with no recommendation on duration: Tamoxifen (Novaldex) 20 mg per day. Clomid 50 to 100 mg per day. And HCG, but with no advice on dosage.

I’ve been reading many of the posts on this site and I’m mostly confused about the HCG. Here are my questions:

Is “2000IU every other day for 20 days” correct? It seems extremely high based on what I have read on this site.

Is it better to use HCG on cycle instead of as PCT? The books say this can be done, but getting the dosage correct can be sensitive and too much or too little HCG can have serious side effects on cycle.

If I add HCG into my cycle for the last 8 weeks, what dosage would be best? I’ve read anywhere from 200 to 400 IU per week.

If, instead, I wait to use HCG for PCT, what dosage is best then? “2000IU every other day for 20 days”??

Last question: what is the best source for HCG? I purchased some from black market, but later read that because it is not a controlled substance in the U.S. it is widely available by ordering overseas or even from Petsmart. (Going to my own doctor to ask for it prescribed is not an option)

Sorry for the long post. I’d appreciate any advice.

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500iu HCG EOD for 3 weeks

25mg Clomid daily for 6-8 weeks
20mg Nolva daily for 6-8 weeks

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Honest question: why not just cruise on TRT dose at this point (in your life) once cycle is done vs PCT?

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Interesting question. I don’t know the answer. Everything I have read talks about the importance of going in cycles.

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I’ll defer to more experienced members. It seems like it would less complicated and you’d feel better overall. That’s my impression from others.

Best of luck! I’ve never dipped into anything above current TRT even with a solid 15 years of competing (powerlifting, Olympic lifting) behind me. Made it through natural (not that I didn’t want to try). At 44, I’m not as brave as you.

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TRT could and should be considered now or in the near future.

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It depends on your goals and your health. If you’re going to keep doing this then maybe cruising makes sense. If you’re overall healthy and cycling once a year then PCT makes more sense. It’s all about context.

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Thanks. Yeah, having given it some thought…I know I mainly need to change habits. I decided to take Test C along with the Zepbound to get quicker results from those changes. Nothing is more motivating than success. But, I’m 50 years old and I hope I have another 50 left. I’m not ready to commit to weekly injections for the rest of my life. I travel a lot, both domestically and internationally. I don’t want to be taking testosterone and needles on flights, even if prescribed.