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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If birth control was the magic solution, why does it fail kpsnap? The literature provided with the artificial hormones tells you there is an accepted failure rate. If birth control was so effective, there would be no pregnancies. When a woman is on birth control and she gets pregnant, where does she go and what do you think she does? She often kills the child through an abortion.

You have a problem with my statements? Alright that is your prerogative. I have one question though. How many forms of NFP are there?

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Read what I wrote.

I am arguing that a blanket statement like “far more children would make the world a far better place” is ridiculously naive. That’s it. I didn’t say a damn thing about abortion.

I stand by my statement that decreasing abortion would best be accomplished by employing the most effective forms of birth control. It’s unfounded for Kneedragger to argue that NFP is 99% effective and that people shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want children. We are sexual creatures. It had been shown time and time again that NFP and a push for abstinence are unrealistic and ineffective. [/quote]
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The birth control argument sounds good in theory. After all, if you can prevent conception, then there is no need for abortion. However, reality has not bared this out to be true.
Birth control in increasingly reliable forms has never been more available, acceptable, and affordable than it is now yet, there is not a statistically significant drop in abortions. If the birth control argument were true, we would see a comparative ratio between the increase of the use of effective birth control and a drop in the amount of abortions. But that is not what is happening. While birth control usage has increased significantly, the number of abortions annually stays relatively flat.

So birth control is far from the ‘cure’ to abortion that many had hoped it would be. Reality just does not jibe with the theory.[/quote]

Have you ever been to a women’s reproductive health center? The vast majority of patients are low-income minorities. Also, you’re failing to account for the growth of the US population vis-a-vis the number of annual abortions.

Rather than supporting your arguments with evidence, you’re content with intuitively shooting from the hip.

“Compared with 2010, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2011 decreased 5%, and the abortion ratio decreased 4%. Additionally, from 2002 to 2011 the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If birth control was the magic solution, why does it fail kpsnap? The literature provided with the artificial hormones tells you there is an accepted failure rate. If birth control was so effective, there would be no pregnancies. When a woman is on birth control and she gets pregnant, where does she go and what do you think she does? She often kills the child through an abortion.

You have a problem with my statements? Alright that is your prerogative. I have one question though. How many forms of NFP are there?

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Read what I wrote.

I am arguing that a blanket statement like “far more children would make the world a far better place” is ridiculously naive. That’s it. I didn’t say a damn thing about abortion.

I stand by my statement that decreasing abortion would best be accomplished by employing the most effective forms of birth control. It’s unfounded for Kneedragger to argue that NFP is 99% effective and that people shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want children. We are sexual creatures. It had been shown time and time again that NFP and a push for abstinence are unrealistic and ineffective. [/quote]
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The birth control argument sounds good in theory. After all, if you can prevent conception, then there is no need for abortion. However, reality has not bared this out to be true.
Birth control in increasingly reliable forms has never been more available, acceptable, and affordable than it is now yet, there is not a statistically significant drop in abortions. If the birth control argument were true, we would see a comparative ratio between the increase of the use of effective birth control and a drop in the amount of abortions. But that is not what is happening. While birth control usage has increased significantly, the number of abortions annually stays relatively flat.

So birth control is far from the ‘cure’ to abortion that many had hoped it would be. Reality just does not jibe with the theory.[/quote]

Have you ever been to a women’s reproductive health center? The vast majority of patients are low-income minorities. Also, you’re failing to account for the growth of the US population vis-a-vis the number of annual abortions.

Rather than supporting your arguments with evidence, you’re content with intuitively shooting from the hip.

“Compared with 2010, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2011 decreased 5%, and the abortion ratio decreased 4%. Additionally, from 2002 to 2011 the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/[/quote]

That’s because I am not concerned with ratios I am concerned with numbers.

If polio kills 1.2 million people a year and the population increase by 50%, does it make polio any less of a killer? The answer is no.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If birth control was the magic solution, why does it fail kpsnap? The literature provided with the artificial hormones tells you there is an accepted failure rate. If birth control was so effective, there would be no pregnancies. When a woman is on birth control and she gets pregnant, where does she go and what do you think she does? She often kills the child through an abortion.

You have a problem with my statements? Alright that is your prerogative. I have one question though. How many forms of NFP are there?

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Read what I wrote.

I am arguing that a blanket statement like “far more children would make the world a far better place” is ridiculously naive. That’s it. I didn’t say a damn thing about abortion.

I stand by my statement that decreasing abortion would best be accomplished by employing the most effective forms of birth control. It’s unfounded for Kneedragger to argue that NFP is 99% effective and that people shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want children. We are sexual creatures. It had been shown time and time again that NFP and a push for abstinence are unrealistic and ineffective. [/quote]
[/quote]

The birth control argument sounds good in theory. After all, if you can prevent conception, then there is no need for abortion. However, reality has not bared this out to be true.
Birth control in increasingly reliable forms has never been more available, acceptable, and affordable than it is now yet, there is not a statistically significant drop in abortions. If the birth control argument were true, we would see a comparative ratio between the increase of the use of effective birth control and a drop in the amount of abortions. But that is not what is happening. While birth control usage has increased significantly, the number of abortions annually stays relatively flat.

So birth control is far from the ‘cure’ to abortion that many had hoped it would be. Reality just does not jibe with the theory.[/quote]

Have you ever been to a women’s reproductive health center? The vast majority of patients are low-income minorities. Also, you’re failing to account for the growth of the US population vis-a-vis the number of annual abortions.

Rather than supporting your arguments with evidence, you’re content with intuitively shooting from the hip.

“Compared with 2010, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2011 decreased 5%, and the abortion ratio decreased 4%. Additionally, from 2002 to 2011 the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/[/quote]

That’s because I am not concerned with ratios I am concerned with numbers.

If polio kills 1.2 million people a year and the population increase by 50%, does it make polio any less of a killer? The answer is no.[/quote]

You’re seemingly incapable of critical thought and intellectual honesty.

Per the data, “from 2002 to 2011 the NUMBER, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If birth control was the magic solution, why does it fail kpsnap? The literature provided with the artificial hormones tells you there is an accepted failure rate. If birth control was so effective, there would be no pregnancies. When a woman is on birth control and she gets pregnant, where does she go and what do you think she does? She often kills the child through an abortion.

You have a problem with my statements? Alright that is your prerogative. I have one question though. How many forms of NFP are there?

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Read what I wrote.

I am arguing that a blanket statement like “far more children would make the world a far better place” is ridiculously naive. That’s it. I didn’t say a damn thing about abortion.

I stand by my statement that decreasing abortion would best be accomplished by employing the most effective forms of birth control. It’s unfounded for Kneedragger to argue that NFP is 99% effective and that people shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want children. We are sexual creatures. It had been shown time and time again that NFP and a push for abstinence are unrealistic and ineffective. [/quote]
[/quote]

The birth control argument sounds good in theory. After all, if you can prevent conception, then there is no need for abortion. However, reality has not bared this out to be true.
Birth control in increasingly reliable forms has never been more available, acceptable, and affordable than it is now yet, there is not a statistically significant drop in abortions. If the birth control argument were true, we would see a comparative ratio between the increase of the use of effective birth control and a drop in the amount of abortions. But that is not what is happening. While birth control usage has increased significantly, the number of abortions annually stays relatively flat.

So birth control is far from the ‘cure’ to abortion that many had hoped it would be. Reality just does not jibe with the theory.[/quote]

Have you ever been to a women’s reproductive health center? The vast majority of patients are low-income minorities. Also, you’re failing to account for the growth of the US population vis-a-vis the number of annual abortions.

Rather than supporting your arguments with evidence, you’re content with intuitively shooting from the hip.

“Compared with 2010, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2011 decreased 5%, and the abortion ratio decreased 4%. Additionally, from 2002 to 2011 the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/[/quote]

That’s because I am not concerned with ratios I am concerned with numbers.

If polio kills 1.2 million people a year and the population increase by 50%, does it make polio any less of a killer? The answer is no.[/quote]

When your talking about a social issue instead of an individual person then yes the accepted definition is its less of a killer. Cutting the disease rate in half for any given population is a success according to everyone but you it seems.

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According to Pat we have something to learn from Honduras, they have over 7000 less murders a year than us. What can we do to accomplish this?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

The birth control argument sounds good in theory. After all, if you can prevent conception, then there is no need for abortion. However, reality has not bared this out to be true.
Birth control in increasingly reliable forms has never been more available, acceptable, and affordable than it is now yet, there is not a statistically significant drop in abortions. If the birth control argument were true, we would see a comparative ratio between the increase of the use of effective birth control and a drop in the amount of abortions. But that is not what is happening. While birth control usage has increased significantly, the number of abortions annually stays relatively flat.

So birth control is far from the ‘cure’ to abortion that many had hoped it would be. Reality just does not jibe with the theory.[/quote]

But heads in the sand will stay there. Right there. Asses in the air, heads in the sand. You won’t hear a peep from the pro-aborts, watch and see.[/quote]

“Compared with 2010, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2011 decreased 5%, and the abortion ratio decreased 4%. Additionally, from 2002 to 2011 the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”

http://www.cdc.gov/...lth/data_stats/

Basically, Pat’s unevidenced thesis is bunk.

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How have the goal posts been moved? One abortion is the death of one innocent child and that is ONE TOO MANY!!

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If birth control was the magic solution, why does it fail kpsnap? The literature provided with the artificial hormones tells you there is an accepted failure rate. If birth control was so effective, there would be no pregnancies. When a woman is on birth control and she gets pregnant, where does she go and what do you think she does? She often kills the child through an abortion.

You have a problem with my statements? Alright that is your prerogative. I have one question though. How many forms of NFP are there?

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Read what I wrote.

I am arguing that a blanket statement like “far more children would make the world a far better place” is ridiculously naive. That’s it. I didn’t say a damn thing about abortion.

I stand by my statement that decreasing abortion would best be accomplished by employing the most effective forms of birth control. It’s unfounded for Kneedragger to argue that NFP is 99% effective and that people shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want children. We are sexual creatures. It had been shown time and time again that NFP and a push for abstinence are unrealistic and ineffective. [/quote]
[/quote]

The birth control argument sounds good in theory. After all, if you can prevent conception, then there is no need for abortion. However, reality has not bared this out to be true.
Birth control in increasingly reliable forms has never been more available, acceptable, and affordable than it is now yet, there is not a statistically significant drop in abortions. If the birth control argument were true, we would see a comparative ratio between the increase of the use of effective birth control and a drop in the amount of abortions. But that is not what is happening. While birth control usage has increased significantly, the number of abortions annually stays relatively flat.

So birth control is far from the ‘cure’ to abortion that many had hoped it would be. Reality just does not jibe with the theory.[/quote]

Have you ever been to a women’s reproductive health center? The vast majority of patients are low-income minorities. Also, you’re failing to account for the growth of the US population vis-a-vis the number of annual abortions.

Rather than supporting your arguments with evidence, you’re content with intuitively shooting from the hip.

“Compared with 2010, the total number and rate of reported abortions for 2011 decreased 5%, and the abortion ratio decreased 4%. Additionally, from 2002 to 2011 the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/[/quote]

That’s because I am not concerned with ratios I am concerned with numbers.

If polio kills 1.2 million people a year and the population increase by 50%, does it make polio any less of a killer? The answer is no.[/quote]

You’re seemingly incapable of critical thought and intellectual honesty.

Per the data, “from 2002 to 2011 the NUMBER, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 13%, 14%, and 12%, respectively.”[/quote]