Planned Parenthood

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

The definition of natural right is one that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws. [/quote]

Correct. And they aren’t. They just aren’t respected. Just because person A ignores the rights of Person B, doesn’t mean Person B has no rights, it means that Person B needs to defend themselves.

No, those humans are implying that the punishment for denying/ignoring the rights of another is the loss of you rights being protected.
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So there is nothing wrong with not protecting peoples natural rights, as long as humans have decided those cases via a law or popular vote or something?[/quote]

no , as long as Beans and Blowharder decide

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

The definition of natural right is one that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws. [/quote]

Correct. And they aren’t. They just aren’t respected. Just because person A ignores the rights of Person B, doesn’t mean Person B has no rights, it means that Person B needs to defend themselves.

No, those humans are implying that the punishment for denying/ignoring the rights of another is the loss of you rights being protected.
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says beans, eye roll , Holy fucking shit the shit you can say with a straight face

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Whether or not that is a moral or appropriate stance is a matter for a different conversation. What is relevant is unborn baby isn’t guilty of taking away anyone’s rights, while someone on Death Row HAS been convicted of doing so. Comparing the two is a dumb argument. [/quote]

It’s one of the dumbest arguments I’ve ever seen. I have no idea why the pro-aborts go there. It makes them look so foolish.[/quote]

yes Andy , you better cease and desist that train of argument so you don’t look foolish

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

says beans, eye roll , Holy fucking shit the shit you can say with a straight face [/quote]

You literally bring nothing to the table, ever.

I feel bad for you most of the time.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

says beans, eye roll , Holy fucking shit the shit you can say with a straight face [/quote]

You literally bring nothing to the table, ever.

I feel bad for you most of the time. [/quote]

neither do you , that is my point

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

says beans, eye roll , Holy fucking shit the shit you can say with a straight face [/quote]

You literally bring nothing to the table, ever.

I feel bad for you most of the time. [/quote]

neither do you , that is my point
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Says that guy that can’t refute a thing I’ve said, and only has childish rule 5 as a response…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Whether or not that is a moral or appropriate stance is a matter for a different conversation.
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I agree, why is this thread almost full on a topic that is mostly suited for another conversation?

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Whether or not that is a moral or appropriate stance is a matter for a different conversation.
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I agree, why is this thread almost full on a topic that is mostly suited for another conversation?[/quote]

Huh?

I’m not following you at all here. Please re-state what you’re trying to say.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Whether or not that is a moral or appropriate stance is a matter for a different conversation.
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I agree, why is this thread almost full on a topic that is mostly suited for another conversation?[/quote]

Huh?

I’m not following you at all here. Please re-state what you’re trying to say. [/quote]

maybe he is tired of being brow beat for merely having a differing opinion . The CJS strategy is to over whelm , isolate opponent , gang up on , nit pick every aspect regardless of importance , inundate with reading material and questions , it get’s tiring just to have an opinion NOT sanctioned

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

maybe he is
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Or maybe I was speaking to him and not you? Or maybe I don’t care what your opinion is, because it’s proven to be based on foundations of bullshit?

Or maybe I clearly just didn’t understand his question and was letting him know so that I could answer it if he wanted one…

Maybe it’s understandable everyone has you on ignore.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Whether or not that is a moral or appropriate stance is a matter for a different conversation.
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I agree, why is this thread almost full on a topic that is mostly suited for another conversation?[/quote]

Huh?

I’m not following you at all here. Please re-state what you’re trying to say. [/quote]

When people say a fetus is not a human they just mean its not a human that shares the same legal protections as you and me, and its not immoral to end its life early. Most of this thread is spent arguing misunderstandings like that.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
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Or maybe I was speaking to him and not you? [/quote]
Maybe you should broaden your perspective unless your goal is to silence those with differing opinions . By the way where is old style ? I would think this board would get boring just a bunch of guys sitting around pulling each other’s puds

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pitbull -

The brain is something that develops throughout a lifespan and that is why in ALL mammals, the new life grows with the help of the mother.

And by the way, where does “let the child die rather than torture it with force feeding” even come from??

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

we are debating a non point . But my point stands if a child’s life would be better off dead , I opt to let the child die rather than torture it with force feeding[/quote]

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So pittbull, should a two year old share the same protection as a twelve year old? How about a thirty-six year old? Why? What specifically gives someone value?

For your information, a cake will always be nothing more than ingredients and nothing will ever change that.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If observation is NOT used, what does science use to prove something??

I presume Princeton is GOOD enough for you.

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

The following is one of my personal favorites; “Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, [whole, complete,] genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed… The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity.”
[O’Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists “pre-embryo” among “discarded and replaced terms” in modern embryology, describing it as “ill-defined and inaccurate” (p. 12}] I added the two adjectives bolded and in brackets.

Also, please do NOT think you know why I act a certain way and defend a given topic.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Again pb, where is your source showing that the “glob of goo gradually becomes a person?” [/quote]

there is no proof other than observation , same goes for your theory . What you have is 2 theories and one side wants to impose their opinion on their fellow citizens , A combination of law and science are the law of the day and the zealotry and fanaticism have not won yet and hopefully never
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I am not debating that the fetus is alive or that it is human or that it is genetically complete and unique , I am debating like the egg and the cake I made you , because of development it is incomplete , not done , undeveloped
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Where does the right to have unlimited sex come from? Are any other needs being taken care of other than your own selfish desires? Are her needs coming into your brain? I am not referring to sexually satisfying her either, but instead providing for her emotionally and self sacrificing your own desires.

If my wife and I do not want to have children at a given cycle, we do not have sex while she is ovulating. That is four days out of the thirty-five day cycle.

Easy really, if procreation is not desired then simply do not have sex.

Babies rock for your information! Far more children would make this world a far better place!

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Notice the name of the synthetic hormones, “birth control,” not “conception control.” Birth control stops a fertilized embryo from attaching in the uterine wall, NOT from conception taking place.

Your answer to solving a problem simply side steps the original problem, never addressing the issue.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

A little story where a little well spent money reduced unwanted births and abortions by a whopping 40% . What do you think will happen when you do away with PPH , you will get a shit load of Democratic voters in 18 years:)[/quote]
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I am assuming you see the problem as people having sex with out wanting offspring ?
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So where is this VAST amount of scientific advancement that has taken place from selling aborted fetus??

Voluminous, [this addresses your post on the top of page 30] have you ever set foot in a PP and walked into the surgery center with a young girl, as her cervix is literally torn apart, her uterus is scaped clean (you then see the baby’s tiny body parts) and the young girl is shuttled out the door shortly after? She will have massive amounts of pain killers, her cervix will be jam packed with gauze to stem the blood flow and she is told to come back in a few days. Maybe you should watch actual videos of the procedure on the subject.

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People have always tried to perform their own abortions, even today. Look for the cases, they are always going to be there. So is PP a safe place that never sends women to the hospital and has never killed mothers? Of course they have. What is it that Barry claimed about abortion? He wanted it legal safe and rare. Abortion is far from safe, far from rare and still legal. I guess one out of three is decent odds for him.

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I was scrolling through the thread and I saw this video. The best part it makes me literally laugh out loud as it plays through. Thank you beans!! Plus your point about pitt is beyond perfect ; )

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Trying to reply to Pitt… [/quote]

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Can a sperm ever become a whole person? No it cannot. Please provide a link because you believe me to be wrong.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Living Human Sperm is Human Life in any one’s English Speaking World [/quote