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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
But my point stands if a child’s life would be better off dead , I opt to let the child die [/quote]

Glad you’re the all knowing and wonderful Master of the Universe and KNOW if someone would be better off dead.

Who the fuck are you to make that determination? Oh right… You aren’t fit to, ever. [/quote]

Speaking of “better off dead,” I got to thinking…if some innocent children “would be better off dead” where might that leave us with with a guilty adult who incessantly wishes death on those children…?
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The whole issue is a non issue . It is impossible to human live with out a brain, You may keep a mass of flesh from decomposing but that is it
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Except it isn’t impossible. [/quote]

you do know respiration , heart beat and many other functions are controlled by the brain ? don’t you???
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I posted several cases where a person did not have a brain and their heart beat on it’s own. Just ignore that though…

I guess you’re going to keep ignoring the Stephen Hawking conundrum. [/quote]

I know if it is on the internet it must be true, Hawking’s has anything but an absence of brain .

It is feasible to keep the body alive via machines that breath and pump the heart , but that is no person , it has no feelings , no memory , doesn’t feel pain . It is just a mass of flesh and it probably could have all the genes .

BUT IT IS NOT A PERSON .

please post your posts again , I hope you did notice your original post was FAUX News :slight_smile:

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Are you living in a cave and cut off from the world for years at a time? Science has progressed. There is a branch of it called embryology. In it you will find there is no difference in the humanity of a zygote or a full grown person, none. Only different stages of development.
You’re just denying reality here…

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
But my point stands if a child’s life would be better off dead , I opt to let the child die [/quote]

Glad you’re the all knowing and wonderful Master of the Universe and KNOW if someone would be better off dead.

Who the fuck are you to make that determination? Oh right… You aren’t fit to, ever. [/quote]

Speaking of “better off dead,” I got to thinking…if some innocent children “would be better off dead” where might that leave us with with a guilty adult who incessantly wishes death on those children…?
[/quote]

The whole issue is a non issue . It is impossible to human live with out a brain, You may keep a mass of flesh from decomposing but that is it
[/quote]

Except it isn’t impossible. [/quote]

you do know respiration , heart beat and many other functions are controlled by the brain ? don’t you???
[/quote]
I posted several cases where a person did not have a brain and their heart beat on it’s own. Just ignore that though…

I guess you’re going to keep ignoring the Stephen Hawking conundrum. [/quote]

I know if it is on the internet it must be true, Hawking’s has anything but an absence of brain .

It is feasible to keep the body alive via machines that breath and pump the heart , but that is no person , it has no feelings , no memory , doesn’t feel pain . It is just a mass of flesh and it probably could have all the genes .

BUT IT IS NOT A PERSON .

please post your posts again , I hope you did notice your original post was FAUX News :slight_smile:

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Like you if you were in a comma or under general anesthesia, or even in a dream-less sleep. Wow, I didn’t know you stopped being a person pretty often.[/quote]

It’s a waste of time discussing something if the participant won’t participate in reality. There has to be a line in the sand somewhere that prevents an otherwise intelligent conversation to degrade into the patently absurd.

I think Pitt is an otherwise nice guy, but he’s hanging on to any little hope so that if he knocks a chick up he didn’t mean to, he can kill the baby off with a clear conscience.

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[quote]pat wrote:
I think Pitt is an otherwise nice guy[/quote]

Pitt is a nice enough guy, but he has never, that I can remember, offered a fact based argument and his posts almost always devolve into some form of, "circle jerk society___________(insert non-sense here). Facts clearly mean nothing to Pitt.

He’s now on my ignore list, his posts are just not worth my time.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am not sure I get this right , but do I have 2 morons that are claiming a human can survive with out a brain , As far a a debate there is no information to substantiate a claim as such .

I must admit you 2 are a frightening duo [/quote]

You are clear evidence a person can survive without a brain. [/quote]

You fcan’t use that one on me , I already used it on you:)

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
But my point stands if a child’s life would be better off dead , I opt to let the child die [/quote]

Glad you’re the all knowing and wonderful Master of the Universe and KNOW if someone would be better off dead.

Who the fuck are you to make that determination? Oh right… You aren’t fit to, ever. [/quote]

Speaking of “better off dead,” I got to thinking…if some innocent children “would be better off dead” where might that leave us with with a guilty adult who incessantly wishes death on those children…?
[/quote]

The whole issue is a non issue . It is impossible to human live with out a brain, You may keep a mass of flesh from decomposing but that is it
[/quote]

Except it isn’t impossible. [/quote]

you do know respiration , heart beat and many other functions are controlled by the brain ? don’t you???
[/quote]
I posted several cases where a person did not have a brain and their heart beat on it’s own. Just ignore that though…

I guess you’re going to keep ignoring the Stephen Hawking conundrum. [/quote]

I know if it is on the internet it must be true, Hawking’s has anything but an absence of brain .

It is feasible to keep the body alive via machines that breath and pump the heart , but that is no person , it has no feelings , no memory , doesn’t feel pain . It is just a mass of flesh and it probably could have all the genes .

BUT IT IS NOT A PERSON .

please post your posts again , I hope you did notice your original post was FAUX News :slight_smile:

[/quote]

Are you living in a cave and cut off from the world for years at a time? Science has progressed. There is a branch of it called embryology. In it you will find there is no difference in the humanity of a zygote or a full grown person, none. Only different stages of development.
You’re just denying reality here…[/quote]

show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
But my point stands if a child’s life would be better off dead , I opt to let the child die [/quote]

Glad you’re the all knowing and wonderful Master of the Universe and KNOW if someone would be better off dead.

Who the fuck are you to make that determination? Oh right… You aren’t fit to, ever. [/quote]

Speaking of “better off dead,” I got to thinking…if some innocent children “would be better off dead” where might that leave us with with a guilty adult who incessantly wishes death on those children…?
[/quote]

The whole issue is a non issue . It is impossible to human live with out a brain, You may keep a mass of flesh from decomposing but that is it
[/quote]

Except it isn’t impossible. [/quote]

you do know respiration , heart beat and many other functions are controlled by the brain ? don’t you???
[/quote]
I posted several cases where a person did not have a brain and their heart beat on it’s own. Just ignore that though…

I guess you’re going to keep ignoring the Stephen Hawking conundrum. [/quote]

I know if it is on the internet it must be true, Hawking’s has anything but an absence of brain .

It is feasible to keep the body alive via machines that breath and pump the heart , but that is no person , it has no feelings , no memory , doesn’t feel pain . It is just a mass of flesh and it probably could have all the genes .

BUT IT IS NOT A PERSON .

please post your posts again , I hope you did notice your original post was FAUX News :slight_smile:

[/quote]

Are you living in a cave and cut off from the world for years at a time? Science has progressed. There is a branch of it called embryology. In it you will find there is no difference in the humanity of a zygote or a full grown person, none. Only different stages of development.
You’re just denying reality here…[/quote]

show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ?
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You’re the one drawing arbitrary lines in the sand, not me. There’s lots of body parts a person cannot live with out. Not allowing a human to develop them is not an intrinsic right. Once you kill it, you can’t get it back. That person will never be again.
Just make sure you wear a rubber so you don’t ever have to make this ‘decision’.

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[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

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He said unassisted…

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

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He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
He said unassisted…[/quote]

I would suggest you re-read the last few pages.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

[/quote]

He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people. [/quote]

I meant by medical technology. You can argue a right to life but there’s no fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

[/quote]

He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people. [/quote]

I meant by medical technology. You can argue a right to life but there’s no fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.[/quote]

No one, to my knowledge, has made the argument for a fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

[/quote]

He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people. [/quote]

I meant by medical technology. You can argue a right to life but there’s no fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.[/quote]

No one, to my knowledge, has made the argument for a fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years. [/quote]

Well if your not going the feeding machine route the options are abortion or dying shortly after birth. In that case abortion doesn’t look so bad and to many is the preferred option. The fact that they lived X years in the cases you mentioned is irrelevant to the issue.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

[/quote]

He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people. [/quote]

I meant by medical technology. You can argue a right to life but there’s no fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.[/quote]

So your insinuation is that adults should be forced to provide non-medical care, but not care of the medical kind? I’m not sure I see the moral difference.

So, kids with born with heart problems, or lung problems or premature babies, or any medical condition that requires a feeding tube, or a kid that needs insulin isn’t a person. I guess that would go for adults too though, so if you have major surgery, you stop being a person for a little bit. My wife that requires medicine to live, isn’t a person?

The whole convoluted, back bending, thought train is completely ridiculous.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

[/quote]

He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people. [/quote]

I meant by medical technology. You can argue a right to life but there’s no fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.[/quote]

No one, to my knowledge, has made the argument for a fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years. [/quote]

Well if your not going the feeding machine route the options are abortion or dying shortly after birth. In that case abortion doesn’t look so bad and to many is the preferred option. The fact that they lived X years in the cases you mentioned is irrelevant to the issue.[/quote]

It’s not irrelevant to the discussion you jumped right in the middle of even though you clearly have no idea what it was about.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

[/quote]

He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people. [/quote]

I meant by medical technology. You can argue a right to life but there’s no fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.[/quote]

So your insinuation is that adults should be forced to provide non-medical care, but not care of the medical kind? I’m not sure I see the moral difference.

So, kids with born with heart problems, or lung problems or premature babies, or any medical condition that requires a feeding tube, or a kid that needs insulin isn’t a person. I guess that would go for adults too though, so if you have major surgery, you stop being a person for a little bit. My wife that requires medicine to live, isn’t a person?

The whole convoluted, back bending, thought train is completely ridiculous.[/quote]

I don’t think sufiandy was following the discussion and because of that his posts don’t really make sense within the context of the last few pages. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt because he’s typically a good poster.

sufiandy, Pitt said that when a child (he actually said they are not children just a mass of cells) is born without a brain it is not a person. Clearly the individuals born without a brain (just a brain stem) that I posted are people. The 12 year old that was supposed to die within days lived with the assistance of a feeding tube only. His heart beat on it’s own. He could breath on his own. Yes, he had a lot of problems, but that doesn’t make him something other than a person. What Pitt claims is pretty ridiculous. If you believe these children are not people, then what are they?

Then Pitt went off on some weird side rant about torture that no one was talking about in order to avoid his absurd stance. His response was something about how one of the articles came from Fox News. That’s a very strong rebuttal…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote] pittbulll wrote:
show me proof that other than USMC some one has lived unassisted with out a brain ? [/quote]

No brain lived to be 2:

“Nicholas Coke was born with a rare condition called anencephaly that caused him to never grow a brain, only a brain stem. Doctors gave him just a few hours to live and miraculously this baby just celebrated his 2nd birthday.”

This kid made it to 12:

This little girl made it past 6:

(I’m sure fox fabricated the video)

There’s your proof

Oh and insulting me when you know I have you on ignore, that’s real classy.

[/quote]

He said unassisted…[/quote]

Then you just disqualified all children up to like 10 years old from being people. [/quote]

I meant by medical technology. You can argue a right to life but there’s no fundamental right to be hooked to a feeding machine for 10 years.[/quote]

So your insinuation is that adults should be forced to provide non-medical care, but not care of the medical kind? I’m not sure I see the moral difference.

So, kids with born with heart problems, or lung problems or premature babies, or any medical condition that requires a feeding tube, or a kid that needs insulin isn’t a person. I guess that would go for adults too though, so if you have major surgery, you stop being a person for a little bit. My wife that requires medicine to live, isn’t a person?

The whole convoluted, back bending, thought train is completely ridiculous.[/quote]

I don’t think sufiandy was following the discussion and because of that his posts don’t really make sense within the context of the last few pages. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt because he’s typically a good poster.

sufiandy, Pitt said that when a child (he actually said they are not children just a mass of cells) is born without a brain it is not a person. Clearly the individuals born without a brain (just a brain stem) that I posted are people. The 12 year old that was supposed to die within days lived with the assistance of a feeding tube only. His heart beat on it’s own. He could breath on his own. Yes, he had a lot of problems, but that doesn’t make him something other than a person. What Pitt claims is pretty ridiculous. If you believe these children are not people, then what are they?

Then Pitt went off on some weird side rant about torture that no one was talking about in order to avoid his absurd stance. His response was something about how one of the articles came from Fox News. That’s a very strong rebuttal… [/quote]

What is your definition of a person? Is it your own definition of the word, if not what source did you get it from?

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If the person or animal has no brain , it can not breath , it’s heart won’t beat ,won’t see, hear , it can have no thoughts , the child you posted has a brain stem ,

brain·stem
ˈbrānˌstem/
nounAnatomy
noun: brain-stem; noun: brain stem

the central trunk of the mammalian brain, consisting of the medulla oblongata, pons, and midbrain, and continuing downward to form the spinal cord.

definition of Anencephaly

is the absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp that occurs during embryonic development. It is a cephalic disorder that results from a neural tube defect that occurs when the rostral (head) end of the neural tube fails to close, usually between the 23rd and 26th day following conception.

so the child has a brain it is not complete , now USMC is a different case , no fucking brain what so ever

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Still waiting for that evidence

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Every case the child had a brain stem