[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well life beings after conception. What about the same question for an embryo less than a week after conception that you can take a pill to get rid of?
If that gets different answers than what you described why does it matter if the end result is the same?[/quote]
I said the average abortion, which occurs at 9-14 weeks. People like to think most abortions are very early on, the pill variety (to which I am also opposed), but it’s not the case.
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Are you also against the death penalty?
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Not sure how that matters since we are not talking about the death penalty, but I will make you a promise. If we start executing 1.2 million prisoners a year, I will protest against it, big time. I will throw a huge fit.
I am not for the death penalty. I am not for taking the life of any person that does not pose a threat to other human life. But there are so few death penalty executions, it barely registers on the radar. So when the death penalty becomes a top killer of human life in this country, I will direct more energy to it. As for now, I got way bigger fish to fry.
I’m for the death penalty when there is indisputable evidence a person a) killed another person and/or b)raped a person (yes I think rapists should be put down).
What that has to do with abortion is beyond me. Typical misdirection away from the actual issue.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m for the death penalty when there is indisputable evidence a person a) killed another person and/or b)raped a person (yes I think rapists should be put down).
What that has to do with abortion is beyond me. Typical misdirection away from the actual issue.
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The issue is killing a person. That is what you believe abortion is. The death penalty is killing a person. People are killed everyday in acts you approve of or think is justified. Just trying to see where people draw the line.
Pat for example seems to draw the lines at numbers.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m for the death penalty when there is indisputable evidence a person a) killed another person and/or b)raped a person (yes I think rapists should be put down).
What that has to do with abortion is beyond me. Typical misdirection away from the actual issue.
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The issue is killing a person. That is what you believe abortion is. [/quote]
No, the issue is killing an innocent person. That is what abortion is.
The issue is killing a person. That is what you believe abortion is. [/quote]
No, this is what irrefutable scientific fact tells us abortion is.
This isn’t a matter of “believe”. It’s a matter of “basic understanding of fundamental biology”. Big difference between the two.
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Correct. This discussion is technically over. Only but the most extreme, obtuse person could argue otherwise and not legitimately.
We needed the science to tell us where life begins in the early '70’s. Science has answered that question as concretely as it can be answered. Embryology is the science dedicated to human life at it’s earliest stages, it has unequivocally drawn that line at conception. And anybody is free to look at the science themselves. It’s no longer a question. Asked and answered, game over.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m for the death penalty when there is indisputable evidence a person a) killed another person and/or b)raped a person (yes I think rapists should be put down).
What that has to do with abortion is beyond me. Typical misdirection away from the actual issue.
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The issue is killing a person. That is what you believe abortion is. The death penalty is killing a person. People are killed everyday in acts you approve of or think is justified. Just trying to see where people draw the line.
Pat for example seems to draw the lines at numbers.[/quote]
Correct, because numbers do matter. Killing a person is a terrible thing, killing 10 people is worse. We don’t stop murders because it’s illegal, but as a society we do not accept murder and see it as the most grievous of crimes. Abortion is in the murder category and needs to be treated with the same contempt if we are to call ourselves civilized and/ or moral. We cannot call ourselves that now. Sanitizing killing does not absolve us from its reality. We just fool and lie to ourselves to feel better about doing it.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m for the death penalty when there is indisputable evidence a person a) killed another person and/or b)raped a person (yes I think rapists should be put down).
What that has to do with abortion is beyond me. Typical misdirection away from the actual issue.
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The issue is killing a person. That is what you believe abortion is. The death penalty is killing a person. People are killed everyday in acts you approve of or think is justified. Just trying to see where people draw the line.
Pat for example seems to draw the lines at numbers.[/quote]
Correct, because numbers do matter. Killing a person is a terrible thing, killing 10 people is worse. We don’t stop murders because it’s illegal, but as a society we do not accept murder and see it as the most grievous of crimes. Abortion is in the murder category and needs to be treated with the same contempt if we are to call ourselves civilized and/ or moral. We cannot call ourselves that now. Sanitizing killing does not absolve us from its reality. We just fool and lie to ourselves to feel better about doing it. [/quote]
If someone was attacking you would you kill them in self defense? They will most certainly harm you but not necessity kill you.
If someone was attacking you would you kill them in self defense? They will most certainly harm you but not necessity kill you.[/quote]
How do you know that?
If a person breaks into my house as I sleep, they get a bullet (more likely buckshot). I can not be certain of anything in that situation, except that someone has threatened my life and my loved ones lives by entering my home by way of force.
With one functional arm, I will defend myself accordingly. Never have I had to kill someone but the guys who have fought me, in the end they all ran away like scared little pussy cats. I can only guess they thought I would roll over and give up like a female dog.
Know that I do not frequent neighborhoods in the worst parts of this country. Similar to west of 49th Ave in Phoenix at two in the morning, just as an example ; ) Yet I do train for that type of situation, if it were to happen, how would I get out of there alive.
Yet it is always better to never test my skills against a threat and I ALWAYS trust my gut reaction in any situation.
edit - just slightly, because I fail when proofreading jajajaja
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m for the death penalty when there is indisputable evidence a person a) killed another person and/or b)raped a person (yes I think rapists should be put down).
What that has to do with abortion is beyond me. Typical misdirection away from the actual issue.
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The issue is killing a person. That is what you believe abortion is. The death penalty is killing a person. People are killed everyday in acts you approve of or think is justified. Just trying to see where people draw the line.
Pat for example seems to draw the lines at numbers.[/quote]
Correct, because numbers do matter. Killing a person is a terrible thing, killing 10 people is worse. We don’t stop murders because it’s illegal, but as a society we do not accept murder and see it as the most grievous of crimes. Abortion is in the murder category and needs to be treated with the same contempt if we are to call ourselves civilized and/ or moral. We cannot call ourselves that now. Sanitizing killing does not absolve us from its reality. We just fool and lie to ourselves to feel better about doing it. [/quote]
If someone was attacking you would you kill them in self defense? They will most certainly harm you but not necessity kill you.[/quote]
Imagine if you wounded them and called the police, chances are he will plead to a burglary charge, and maybe serve 6 months in jail.
And for the rest of your days, you have to wonder if he wants revenge for the guy who put him in jail, and you have to look behind you.
All of you guys should know, there is basically no rehabilitation in jail. If anything, jail is more like crime school. You walk in with a high school diploma, you walk out with a Phd.
It’s a tough situation for sure, but if you put a bullet in his head, I would acquit you if I was on a jury.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Imagine if you wounded them and called the police, chances are he will plead to a burglary charge, and maybe serve 6 months in jail.
And for the rest of your days, you have to wonder if he wants revenge for the guy who put him in jail, and you have to look behind you.
All of you guys should know, there is basically no rehabilitation in jail. If anything, jail is more like crime school. You walk in with a high school diploma, you walk out with a Phd.
It’s a tough situation for sure, but if you put a bullet in his head, I would acquit you if I was on a jury.
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You need to be very careful here.
You shoot to stop the threat. If the person dies as a result, then so be it. However you can not execute people.
If you pull a pistol, and dude has a moment of clarity and turns to run out of the house, you can NOT shoot them in the back (at least in my state) or you’ll do more time than the intruder.
Aim center mass and shoot until the threat is no longer. If that is him laying on the ground, wounded, writhing in pain… That is what it is.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m for the death penalty when there is indisputable evidence a person a) killed another person and/or b)raped a person (yes I think rapists should be put down).
What that has to do with abortion is beyond me. Typical misdirection away from the actual issue.
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The issue is killing a person. That is what you believe abortion is. The death penalty is killing a person. People are killed everyday in acts you approve of or think is justified. Just trying to see where people draw the line.
Pat for example seems to draw the lines at numbers.[/quote]
Correct, because numbers do matter. Killing a person is a terrible thing, killing 10 people is worse. We don’t stop murders because it’s illegal, but as a society we do not accept murder and see it as the most grievous of crimes. Abortion is in the murder category and needs to be treated with the same contempt if we are to call ourselves civilized and/ or moral. We cannot call ourselves that now. Sanitizing killing does not absolve us from its reality. We just fool and lie to ourselves to feel better about doing it. [/quote]
If someone was attacking you would you kill them in self defense? They will most certainly harm you but not necessity kill you.[/quote]
If someone was attacking you would you kill them in self defense? They will most certainly harm you but not necessity kill you.[/quote]
How do you know that?
If a person breaks into my house as I sleep, they get a bullet (more likely buckshot). I can not be certain of anything in that situation, except that someone has threatened my life and my loved ones lives by entering my home by way of force.
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You cannot ascertain how much of a threat someone who is attacking you is. If you question it, you’re the one who will end up dead. It’s a ridiculous question.
This has nothing to do with abortion. A baby is not going to attack you.
Dear knees-
I thought that you were banned from these boards because you continue to lie about the made-up negative effects of abortion, and yet here you are posting articles that you do not understand. Perhaps you should read what you post- before you post it…jajajaj