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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute.

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Here are a couple of troopers holding the line, defending the indefensible.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-were-losing-the-planned-parenthood-debate-and-how-we-can-win-20150806

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute. [/quote]

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?

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“Teller and I would personally kill every chimp in the world with our bare hands, to save one street junky with AIDS.” - Penn Jillette.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute. [/quote]

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

My dog because we’ve bonded for 12 years and I don’t know the guy who died at all.

I get your point (and I understood it yesterday), but this scenario is sort of a trick scenario because no one that’s pissed about this imaginary lion cub (or Cecile the lion) has bonded with either the cub or the fetus, yet they care more about the cub than the thousands of babies being killed each year. In fact many think it’s acceptable to kill a baby and not a lion cub. So again, it doesn’t make any sense what so ever, at least to me.

Also, for the record, if I had to choose between the life of my dog and the life of a stranger I’d choose the stranger because it is my personal belief that human being are more valuable than animals, even ones I love.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

Or, puppies?

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

People die every day. It’s not always a tragedy, it’s impossible to mourn them all and none of that matters one iota.
You’re not really putting forth the notion that abortion is ok because somebody does not care about it’s death? It is still a human being, a life this is scientific fact.
Truth is, it’s not ok. You cannot just go around killing people who are not wanted, unloved, inconvenient, ugly, or diseased.
The law is murky and inconsistent on the subject. For if you go to an abortion clinic and kill the child it’s a-ok. But if you kill a pregnant woman, you are charged with a double murder. Ask Scott Peterson why he is serving a life time sentence. He was found guilty of double murder. His victim was his pregnant wife. The irony struck me immediately. It seems weird that the media and others have not made that connection.

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[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
Here are a couple of troopers holding the line, defending the indefensible.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-were-losing-the-planned-parenthood-debate-and-how-we-can-win-20150806[/quote]

Yeah I read that article. I hate Rolling Stone because they necessarily believe that if you are a music lover, you are a leftist. I want to read about music and artists, not their invaluable political slant.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute. [/quote]

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

My dog because we’ve bonded for 12 years and I don’t know the guy who died at all.

I get your point (and I understood it yesterday), but this scenario is sort of a trick scenario because no one that’s pissed about this imaginary lion cub (or Cecile the lion) has bonded with either the cub or the fetus, yet they care more about the cub than the thousands of babies being killed each year. In fact many think it’s acceptable to kill a baby and not a lion cub. So again, it doesn’t make any sense what so ever, at least to me.

Also, for the record, if I had to choose between the life of my dog and the life of a stranger I’d choose the stranger because it is my personal belief that human being are more valuable than animals, even ones I love. [/quote]

The outrage over Cecil the lion just blow my mind. And I am not for killing animals for fun.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute. [/quote]

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

My dog because we’ve bonded for 12 years and I don’t know the guy who died at all.

I get your point (and I understood it yesterday), but this scenario is sort of a trick scenario because no one that’s pissed about this imaginary lion cub (or Cecile the lion) has bonded with either the cub or the fetus, yet they care more about the cub than the thousands of babies being killed each year. In fact many think it’s acceptable to kill a baby and not a lion cub. So again, it doesn’t make any sense what so ever, at least to me.

Also, for the record, if I had to choose between the life of my dog and the life of a stranger I’d choose the stranger because it is my personal belief that human being are more valuable than animals, even ones I love. [/quote]

The outrage over Cecil the lion just blow my mind. And I am not for killing animals for fun.[/quote]

Priorities man, it’s all about priorities.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

Here is a better example.

I kidnap a dog you have had for 12 years and a complete stranger you have never met before. Then I tell you to decide which one I shoot in the head.

You will still mourn your dog more, but which life is more important?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
Here are a couple of troopers holding the line, defending the indefensible.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-were-losing-the-planned-parenthood-debate-and-how-we-can-win-20150806[/quote]

Yeah I read that article. I hate Rolling Stone because they necessarily believe that if you are a music lover, you are a leftist. I want to read about music and artists, not their invaluable political slant.[/quote]

Fuck Rolling STone.

Also, lol’ed hard at and we fail to stand up for the dignity of women and all people.

As pro-aborts tend to do because they are so exhausted doing the mental gymnastics to justify their defense of whole sale murder so they can sleep at night, they are too tired to miss the irony of such a statement.

It’s literally like they did it on purpose, and are trolling readers being this… ignorant.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
Here are a couple of troopers holding the line, defending the indefensible.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-were-losing-the-planned-parenthood-debate-and-how-we-can-win-20150806[/quote]

Yeah I read that article. I hate Rolling Stone because they necessarily believe that if you are a music lover, you are a leftist. I want to read about music and artists, not their invaluable political slant.[/quote]

Fuck Rolling STone.

Also, lol’ed hard at and we fail to stand up for the dignity of women and all people.

As pro-aborts tend to do because they are so exhausted doing the mental gymnastics to justify their defense of whole sale murder so they can sleep at night, they are too tired to miss the irony of such a statement.

It’s literally like they did it on purpose, and are trolling readers being this… ignorant. [/quote]

Yeah, I do not see how they equate killing the life inside of them with ‘dignity’. There is nothing less dignified that taking a human life. There is nothing less dignified than this atrocity. They wouldn’t know dignity if it slapped them in the fact. They have no room to speak of dignity they are the most indignant in any society. And we all suffer because they want to kill on demand.
Like I said before, I believe history will judge us harshly as harshly as with slavery or the Final Solution. It is just as bad or even worse than those things.
All the pro-aborts have are slogans and double talk. They do not have the evidence, the facts, or science on their side. They have rhetoric and meaningless rhetoric at that.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
Here are a couple of troopers holding the line, defending the indefensible.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-were-losing-the-planned-parenthood-debate-and-how-we-can-win-20150806[/quote]

Yeah I read that article. I hate Rolling Stone because they necessarily believe that if you are a music lover, you are a leftist. I want to read about music and artists, not their invaluable political slant.[/quote]

Fuck Rolling STone.

Also, lol’ed hard at and we fail to stand up for the dignity of women and all people.

As pro-aborts tend to do because they are so exhausted doing the mental gymnastics to justify their defense of whole sale murder so they can sleep at night, they are too tired to miss the irony of such a statement.

It’s literally like they did it on purpose, and are trolling readers being this… ignorant. [/quote]

Yeah, I do not see how they equate killing the life inside of them with ‘dignity’. There is nothing less dignified that taking a human life. There is nothing less dignified than this atrocity. They wouldn’t know dignity if it slapped them in the fact. They have no room to speak of dignity they are the most indignant in any society. And we all suffer because they want to kill on demand.
Like I said before, I believe history will judge us harshly as harshly as with slavery or the Final Solution. It is just as bad or even worse than those things.
All the pro-aborts have are slogans and double talk. They do not have the evidence, the facts, or science on their side. They have rhetoric and meaningless rhetoric at that.[/quote]

I didn’t even think of it on that level, lol. I just laughed hard at the whole admitting they “don’t stand up for all people” just the ones they choose to. Just like a democrat, people are only people if THEY say so. At least it isn’t slaves or Jim Crow this time…

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

Here is a better example.

I kidnap a dog you have had for 12 years and a complete stranger you have never met before. Then I tell you to decide which one I shoot in the head.

You will still mourn your dog more, but which life is more important?

[/quote]

Replace dog with a week old embryo, which would you choose?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute. [/quote]

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

My dog because we’ve bonded for 12 years and I don’t know the guy who died at all.

I get your point (and I understood it yesterday), but this scenario is sort of a trick scenario because no one that’s pissed about this imaginary lion cub (or Cecile the lion) has bonded with either the cub or the fetus, yet they care more about the cub than the thousands of babies being killed each year. In fact many think it’s acceptable to kill a baby and not a lion cub. So again, it doesn’t make any sense what so ever, at least to me.

Also, for the record, if I had to choose between the life of my dog and the life of a stranger I’d choose the stranger because it is my personal belief that human being are more valuable than animals, even ones I love. [/quote]

The story of the lion makes a better connection to the readers. Just lookup any articles about. You get a history of how the animal lived and was an attraction at the sanctuary, how it was injured with a arrow for more than 24 hours before being tracked and shot. You just can’t make the same story with a newly conceived embryo. So a weak bond does exist here.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute. [/quote]

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

My dog because we’ve bonded for 12 years and I don’t know the guy who died at all.

I get your point (and I understood it yesterday), but this scenario is sort of a trick scenario because no one that’s pissed about this imaginary lion cub (or Cecile the lion) has bonded with either the cub or the fetus, yet they care more about the cub than the thousands of babies being killed each year. In fact many think it’s acceptable to kill a baby and not a lion cub. So again, it doesn’t make any sense what so ever, at least to me.

Also, for the record, if I had to choose between the life of my dog and the life of a stranger I’d choose the stranger because it is my personal belief that human being are more valuable than animals, even ones I love. [/quote]

The story of the lion makes a better connection to the readers. Just lookup any articles about. You get a history of how the animal lived and was an attraction at the sanctuary, how it was injured with a arrow for more than 24 hours before being tracked and shot. You just can’t make the same story with a newly conceived embryo. So a weak bond does exist here.[/quote]

I disagree:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
“So then you’re just kind of cognizant of where you put your graspers, you try to intentionally go above and below the thorax, so that, you know, we’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m going to basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact. And with the calvarium, in general, some people will actually try to change the presentation so that it?s not vertex, because when it’s vertex presentation, you never have enough dilation at the beginning of the case, unless you have real, huge amount of dilation to deliver an intact calvarium. So if you do it starting from the breech presentation, there’s dilation that happens as the case goes on, and often, the last, you can evacuate an intact calvarium at the end.”

That’s fucking terrible. [/quote]

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Quick question: if this whole story had’ve been about…lion cubs…?[/quote]

I mean, come on push, obviously lion cubs have passed through that magical barrier making them worth protecting. Shssssss[/quote]

Everyone puts their own value on things, some more than others. Is it really that hard to understand?[/quote]

It is for me. I don’t understand how you can care about another species, especially one that would kill you given the opportunity, more than your own.

Does not compute. [/quote]

Well here is one simple example. You’ve had a dog for 12 years and it dies, the same day some innocent person dies in the middle east. Which one are you most likely to lose sleep over?[/quote]

My dog because we’ve bonded for 12 years and I don’t know the guy who died at all.

I get your point (and I understood it yesterday), but this scenario is sort of a trick scenario because no one that’s pissed about this imaginary lion cub (or Cecile the lion) has bonded with either the cub or the fetus, yet they care more about the cub than the thousands of babies being killed each year. In fact many think it’s acceptable to kill a baby and not a lion cub. So again, it doesn’t make any sense what so ever, at least to me.

Also, for the record, if I had to choose between the life of my dog and the life of a stranger I’d choose the stranger because it is my personal belief that human being are more valuable than animals, even ones I love. [/quote]

The story of the lion makes a better connection to the readers. Just lookup any articles about. You get a history of how the animal lived and was an attraction at the sanctuary, how it was injured with a arrow for more than 24 hours before being tracked and shot. You just can’t make the same story with a newly conceived embryo. So a weak bond does exist here.[/quote]

I disagree:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
“So then you’re just kind of cognizant of where you put your graspers, you try to intentionally go above and below the thorax, so that, you know, we’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m going to basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact. And with the calvarium, in general, some people will actually try to change the presentation so that it?s not vertex, because when it’s vertex presentation, you never have enough dilation at the beginning of the case, unless you have real, huge amount of dilation to deliver an intact calvarium. So if you do it starting from the breech presentation, there’s dilation that happens as the case goes on, and often, the last, you can evacuate an intact calvarium at the end.”

That’s fucking terrible. [/quote]

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

“Usually you can see the whole brain come out,” Ginde says as she describes the procedure.

“Here’s some organs for you,” a Planned Parenthood employee said. “Here’s a stomach, kidney, heart.”

[/quote]

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The story of a lion being killed makes a better connection to the reader than the organs being sucked out of a recently killed baby…What Twilight zone planet do we live on?