Planned Parenthood

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

You are zealous in upholding the right of the unborn but quite flakes on everything Christ said ever.
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What does Christ say regarding military service, specifically?
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“But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

Jesus says it’s better to be broke and naked than unarmed.[/quote]

Christians should not be involved in wars and affairs stirred up for political reasons. Jesus teaches us "Give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. War puts us directly against what Jesus taught us when he says, “Love your enemy,” and “bless those that persecute you.”[/quote]

LOL

We got ourselves an obvious non-Christian who supports the butcher market of babies AND insists all Christians must be Quakers.

Well, alrighty then. PWI produces![/quote]

No I am saying if you claim to be against abortion as a Christian actually be a christian. Don’t be a political Christian who cherry picks theological positions and wraps them up in the American flag and an AR15.

Basically don’t be the Hizb ut-Tahrir of Christianity.

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[quote]Joe Pears wrote:
and wraps them up in the American flag and an AR15.

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My AR doesn’t wrap around much really… It functions much better when everything is kept straight.

I actually trimmed up 50 pieces of brass last night in fact, ready to load Wednesday night, for a range trip this weekend. Working on my 200 yard groups. I’m loading match grade ammo (Nosler boattail 69g FTW) for like 45 cents a round and Federal Match is like a buck on sale a round… Works for me.

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For our silly multi-accounting anti-Christian, anti-rights trollbag

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Oh! I am so going to use that, Beans!

Mufasa

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[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

Christians should not be involved in wars and affairs stirred up for political reasons. Jesus teaches us "Give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. War puts us directly against what Jesus taught us when he says, “Love your enemy,” and “bless those that persecute you.”[/quote]

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

Why does Jesus help the centurion?

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

Christians should not be involved in wars and affairs stirred up for political reasons. Jesus teaches us "Give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. War puts us directly against what Jesus taught us when he says, “Love your enemy,” and “bless those that persecute you.”[/quote]

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

Why does Jesus help the centurion?
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Jesus loved everyone, sinners, people who did things that went against his teachings. Jesus loves murderers and pedophiles and rapists and terrorists. That does not mean he supported sin or murder nor pedophiles nor rapists and terrorists.

The centurion admitted he is a sinner and Jesus acted as the son of god would, with love and forgiveness. That does not contradict his strong message against war and partaking in it. Nor does it erode the history of christians from the time of christ, refusing to be soldiers, refusing to baptise soldiers, refusing to take money for the church from soldiers etc etc.

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[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Nice to see you Cortez.

Aragorn, this may make you feel a little bit better. There’s a lot of good out there.

I got to see a miracle this weekend.

A little girl I evaluated was born with a very large cyst in her brain. This cyst was visible on ultrasound before birth, and if you can picture, it took up about 1/3 of her brain area. It’s inoperable. It looked like her occipital lobe was almost completely obliterated, along with some of the surrounding structures.

So, her parents knew when she was still in the womb that this baby was very likely going to have some profound challenges. We expected blindness at the least, and very likely profound physical and mental disability. Of course, we all wondered if she would survive and if she’d ever walk or talk.

I evaluated her at about 15 months, and she could see! She was doing quite well, but wasn’t yet walking or talking. It was one of those, “we’ll have to wait and see” situations, which is really a hard place for a parent to be. Shortly afterward, the family moved to another state.

Flash forward. I got to see her again last weekend. She’s now about 4 years old. She not only has good vision, but she’s running around and talking much like any child her age. As I walked up, she said, “Shhh! (holding her index finger to her lips) Be quiet! The baby is sleeping.” I’m still just completely in awe. It will go down as one of the most beautiful moments in my life.

The human brain is an incredibly plastic and adaptable thing. I will never think about this without feeling immense gratitude that I got to meet that amazing little person and her lovely parents. And I guess now I can be grateful that that woman from Planned Parenthood never got her hands on her.

That’s all I’m going to say about that.
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That is a beautiful story. But how many of those cases turn out like that? Does this one case mean women should not be able to have access to abortions? [/quote]

I think you’re asking my opinion?

From a legal and public policy standpoint - In cases where there is a medical condition that threatens either the life of the mother, or the life of the unborn child, then prospective parents should make those difficult decisions with their medical provider. Abortion for the sake of birth control when everybody involved is healthy, violates my code of ethics.

From a personal standpoint - I was extremely grateful to see this miraculous little person, and to know her courageous parents, who choose to let her be born, despite some pretty frightening facts. This had all the makings of a tragic story, and so it was an especially sweet thing to see.

BTW, if you assume I am saying this from a professional distance, with the luxury of not knowing what it’s like to raise a profoundly handicapped child, you’d be mistaken.

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[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

Jesus loved everyone, sinners, people who did things that went against his teachings. Jesus loves murderers and pedophiles and rapists and terrorists. That does not mean he supported sin or murder nor pedophiles nor rapists and terrorists.
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Yes Jesus loves everyone, but he does condemn what men do. He condemned the money lenders, but helps the centurion without even a mention of his occupation.

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

Jesus loved everyone, sinners, people who did things that went against his teachings. Jesus loves murderers and pedophiles and rapists and terrorists. That does not mean he supported sin or murder nor pedophiles nor rapists and terrorists.
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Yes Jesus loves everyone, but he does condemn what men do. He condemned the money lenders, but helps the centurion without even a mention of his occupation.
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He condemned sin not the sinner. He didn’t condemn Mary magdellen nor did he condemn those who beat and crucified him. He dies for them and for us all.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

That does not contradict his strong message against war and partaking in it.

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There was no such message. Some did indeed extrapolate that, however. Some. Most did not.

You are in no position to summarily conclude that the views of the “some” trump those of the many in this particular case. And since I trust you consider the whole Bible a bunch of bunk why would you be so audacious as to teach what you deem doctrine to us here?

All Christians at and just after the time of Christ took that stance. As time went on the state powers adopted Christianity and used it as a political device. Which is why the followers went from refusing to join the legions and being fed to lions for refusing to denounce him, to this weird situation where vlad the impaler is beloved by the Pope and soldiers wrote kill a gook for god on their helmets in Vietnam.

The power structure took a religion of peace based on loving your enemy and upholding the decency of your fellow man and turned it into a call to nationalism, racism and war.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Question for Joey Mushashi and his supporting cast: should a market be set up for the butchering of executed (“it’s legal!”) death penalty prisoners (against their will, of course)? “Hey, they’re dead, why not get some use out of them?” One could have a full menu with pricing and everything!

Mind you, there’s no valid debate about the differences in innocence between a baby and a serial killer – that, for the moment – is beside the point.

Should prison wardens cut deals with research laboratories in the same fashion as the PP Mengele-ists?[/quote]

I would have no problem with everyone’s bodies being used when they die, least of all death row prisoners. If you can kill them without their permission you can damn sure use their dead bodies to save lives.

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[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

He condemned sin not the sinner. He didn’t condemn Mary magdellen nor did he condemn those who beat and crucified him. He dies for them and for us all.[/quote]

Do you believe that military service is a sin?

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[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Joe Pears wrote:

He condemned sin not the sinner. He didn’t condemn Mary magdellen nor did he condemn those who beat and crucified him. He dies for them and for us all.[/quote]

Do you believe that military service is a sin?
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I beieve Jesus Christ and his followers did. Enough to die for.

Basically if Jesus came back and saw his fans he would reassemble Nirvana and sing in bloom and none of them would get it. They would still love to shoot their guns.

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[quote]Joe Pears wrote:
They would still love to shoot their guns.
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Something tells me good ol’ Jonny wasn’t alone in his lab… I’m thinking, if Jesus was the one, he was sure as shit shining a light down on the man when he came up with this one.

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Again, assuming Jesus was the one and true one, he was standing with good ol’ Buddy here when he came up with this riff too.

EDIT: and he certainly was a ghost writer on the “Buddy and the Juniors” album.

If I’ve got to entertain this Christian bashing nonsense from the same tired troll that’s been banned a handful of times before, I’m talking about irrelevant shit too.