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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
OMG we look like the begging stages of every animal on earth. Our DNA is totally different and can be tested with current science, but we look the same. Aahh! Big fucking deal!![/quote]

Uh, yeah, it IS a big deal, you idiot. That’s the ENTIRE debate–it’s OBVIOUSLY not a human in the very early stages of pregnancy which, I will remind you, is when the majority of abortions occur. Not content, however, to allow women control over their own bodies for even a few weeks, you are compelled to invent controversy.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
The embryo never hijacks the body of a mother. The biology of the whole event determines the mechanics of the experience. The mother was a portion of the conception and the results of sex have been well known for decades. Don’t try and tell me she doesn’t need to be a responsible ADULT to partake in ADULT activities. [/quote]

I never said that–by seeking the abortion early, she IS being responsible.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Most contraceptives stop the person/embryo from implantation into the uterine wall. Do you really try to justify being irresponsible all the time?!

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
On the issue of abortion, it’s my opinion that if people want to avoid the entire life/abortion dilemma, they need to use protection when they do the hippity dippity.[/quote]

I agree, and this is why I can’t figure out why some people who are against abortion are also against contraceptives.[/quote]
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Irresponsible? Why do you puritans have to turn every goddamn thing into a huge dramatic morality play? If you are a woman, and you partner uses a condom, but it breaks and you become pregnant, were you being irresponsible? If you are on birth control and it fails (it happens, you know), were you being irresponsible?

Or are you maybe being a little unreasonable and a lot retarded when you expect people to never ever have sex unless they are prepared to have a child? It’s not the middle ages anymore. Get with it.

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Kneedragger79 should change his name to knuckledragger79. It would be a more honest representation of himself.

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You have no clue how life begins do you? And guess what, you looked like every other person on earth when your ass was in the first trimester. What does that prove?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
OMG we look like the begging stages of every animal on earth. Our DNA is totally different and can be tested with current science, but we look the same. Aahh! Big fucking deal!![/quote]

Uh, yeah, it IS a big deal, you idiot. That’s the ENTIRE debate–it’s OBVIOUSLY not a human in the very early stages of pregnancy which, I will remind you, is when the majority of abortions occur. Not content, however, to allow women control over their own bodies for even a few weeks, you are compelled to invent controversy.
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ryan do you believe you are honestly intelligent? Can you do no wrong?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
The embryo never hijacks the body of a mother. The biology of the whole event determines the mechanics of the experience. The mother was a portion of the conception and the results of sex have been well known for decades. Don’t try and tell me she doesn’t need to be a responsible ADULT to partake in ADULT activities. [/quote]

I never said that–by seeking the abortion early, she IS being responsible.[/quote]

If you never ‘said that’ why in the fuck was your hijack comment on page 5 of this thread?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Sure. Just so long as you not literally hijacking the woman’s body and telling her what to do with it.
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Killing a defenseless child is supposed to be responsible?? And who the fuck for? Last time I checked there are many ways to NOT become pregnant. MANY.

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So am I supposed to feel sorry for you while you play with a gun and accidentally shoot your nut sack across the room?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Most contraceptives stop the person/embryo from implantation into the uterine wall. Do you really try to justify being irresponsible all the time?!

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
On the issue of abortion, it’s my opinion that if people want to avoid the entire life/abortion dilemma, they need to use protection when they do the hippity dippity.[/quote]

I agree, and this is why I can’t figure out why some people who are against abortion are also against contraceptives.[/quote]
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Irresponsible? Why do you puritans have to turn every goddamn thing into a huge dramatic morality play? If you are a woman, and you partner uses a condom, but it breaks and you become pregnant, were you being irresponsible? If you are on birth control and it fails (it happens, you know), were you being irresponsible?

Or are you maybe being a little unreasonable and a lot retarded when you expect people to never ever have sex unless they are prepared to have a child? It’s not the middle ages anymore. Get with it.[/quote]

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Go ahead and beat your head against the wall until you can actually be funny ryan, go ahead!! Here is a treat!

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Kneedragger79 should change his name to knuckledragger79. It would be a more honest representation of himself.[/quote]

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Tell me oh wise one where the “lines” need to be determined.

[quote]wfifer wrote:
We’re all drawing lines. The worst thing you can do is pretend that your line is the “right” one.

What makes humans different than the rest of the animal kingdom or any other life?

Is it some level of consciousness or “soul”?

Do embryos have it? On what grounds do you make that assertion? [/quote]

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[quote]wfifer wrote:
We’re all drawing lines. The worst thing you can do is pretend that your line is the “right” one.
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If there is no “right” line there is no “line.”

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]kilpaba wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]kilpaba wrote:
Schwarzfahrer is correct and consistent on this point: if you believe there is never a justified abortion, then there cannot be a justified war. If a life is sacred it is always sacred. If you can justify a war or killing someone in general, then there is surely a justification for abortion somewhere.

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Because fetuses are just as guilty of rape and murder as enemy soldiers?[/quote]

Because the children that are raped and murdered by the enemy soldiers are just as innocent as that fetus, yes. This is the ugly face of war that we conveniently gloss over in modern times. Innocent people WILL die when you go to war. The only question is how many. [/quote]

Huh?

Let me explain. Killing evil man sometimes acceptable. Killing innocent child in doctors office is not.

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If I get kilpaba right, and giving it my own spin: Killing ‘evil’ people normally automatically includes killing ‘innocents’ (the infamous ‘collateral damage’). Legalising and rationalising a killing (in war such as above, or as part of the judicial process, or via neglect within your social system) opens up the question where you draw the line of what’s acceptable in general and as your margin of error. If you accept some killings as acceptable, the general principle of preserving all life is broken - from that point onwards it’s just a question of how many ‘innocents’ (again essentially just a legal convention and depending on changing definitions) you kill, or let be killed (by mistake) imho. That’s what I tried to explain in my earlier post - all killings are questionable, yet we’re surprisingly creative when it comes to rationalising the ones we deem acceptable within the context we choose. Being specifically restrictive or permissive (e.g. by labelling someone as ‘evil’) on one account just means you draw a line following a certain convention.

Makkun[/quote]

Bingo!

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You have no clue how life begins do you? And guess what, you looked like every other person on earth when your ass was in the first trimester. What does that prove?[/quote]

It proves that if you are against very early abortion then you must logically also be against the abortion of any mammalian (and some non-mammalian) embryo, because they’re all pretty much the same at the point.

The point is, the embryo is very obvious NOT a human at this point, so any argument you try to make “preserving human life” is totally inapplicable.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
ryan do you believe you are honestly intelligent? Can you do no wrong?[/quote]

This has nothing to do with my fallibility. It has to with you bossing women around, literally denying them control over their own bodies because you have some tadpole hangup.

Because YOU are hijacking her body. YOU are telling her that YOU have the right to tell her what she will and won’t do with her body, that YOU have the right to make the decision of whether or not she will have a child.

[quote]Killing a defenseless child is supposed to be responsible?? And who the fuck for? Last time I checked there are many ways to NOT become pregnant. MANY.
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Of course not. But once again, we’re not talking about a defenseless child. And even if we were, I’m far more concerned with the rights of an ACTUAL DEVELOPED HUMAN BEING than I am some blob in her belly.

Here’s a question: do you honestly believe you’re intelligent?

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So am I supposed to feel sorry for you while you play with a gun and accidentally shoot your nut sack across the room?[/quote]

I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean. But I might put it on a t-shirt.

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Every single and ALL human life in the world is valuable, none more or less than the other. Do you think animals and humans are the same because they look alike in the ‘blob’ stage? Well they are NOT even the same.

Provide undisputed science to back your claims, isn’t that what you threw a tantrum fro me to provide? Yet you never meet your own stipulations, or even the same criteria. Interesting!!

Before orion or someone can come in and say anything, I provide a simple, straight forward way of thinking. If someone wants me to back a single claim I make with undisputed science, simply ask. Where is the science I repeatedly ask for? From anyone??

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You have no clue how life begins do you? And guess what, you looked like every other person on earth when your ass was in the first trimester. What does that prove?[/quote]

It proves that if you are against very early abortion then you must logically also be against the abortion of any mammalian (and some non-mammalian) embryo, because they’re all pretty much the same at the point.

The point is, the embryo is very obvious NOT a human at this point, so any argument you try to make “preserving human life” is totally inapplicable.
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I will tell people right from wrong whether they are five years old, or thirty six. Any moral wrong is always wrong.

AGAIN I bring the same point to the table ryan, listen carefully, the creation of life has been understood since long before you were brought into this world. Grow up and learn how to be responsible for your actions. Women AND men need to be responsible and learn how to act like an adult, even after partaking in adult behavior. Yet I can guess you disagree. Prove me wrong!!

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
This has nothing to do with my fallibility. It has to with you bossing women around, literally denying them control over their own bodies because you have some tadpole hangup.[/quote]

Nice try ryan. I am defending that life who did nothing deserving to be wiped from existence.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Because YOU are hijacking her body. YOU are telling her that YOU have the right to tell her what she will and won’t do with her body, that YOU have the right to make the decision of whether or not she will have a child.[/quote]

Show me medical proof that the person doesn’t have their own medical set of DNA, their own unique body size, their own level of development, their own environment and their own degree of dependency. Oh wait, am I talking about the difference between you and me, or every person on earth, may even be the person developing inside their mother?!?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Of course not. But once again, we’re not talking about a defenseless child. And even if we were, I’m far more concerned with the rights of an ACTUAL DEVELOPED HUMAN BEING than I am some blob in her belly.[/quote]

I refuse to answer a question you answered with. Answer mine first, please.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Here’s a question: do you honestly believe you’re intelligent?[/quote]

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IF only you had a brain, that truly would be a sight to behold.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean. But I might put it on a t-shirt.
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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You have no clue how life begins do you? And guess what, you looked like every other person on earth when your ass was in the first trimester. What does that prove?[/quote]

It proves that if you are against very early abortion then you must logically also be against the abortion of any mammalian (and some non-mammalian) embryo, because they’re all pretty much the same at the point.

The point is, the embryo is very obvious NOT a human at this point, so any argument you try to make “preserving human life” is totally inapplicable.
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ignorant fool

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You have no clue how life begins do you? And guess what, you looked like every other person on earth when your ass was in the first trimester. What does that prove?[/quote]

It proves that if you are against very early abortion then you must logically also be against the abortion of any mammalian (and some non-mammalian) embryo, because they’re all pretty much the same at the point.

The point is, the embryo is very obvious NOT a human at this point, so any argument you try to make “preserving human life” is totally inapplicable.
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ignorant fool[/quote]

Because you know we morph from lion to human after “early” growth stage.

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Always thought I was a mountain lion before this form took shape!! RAWR!!

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You have no clue how life begins do you? And guess what, you looked like every other person on earth when your ass was in the first trimester. What does that prove?[/quote]

It proves that if you are against very early abortion then you must logically also be against the abortion of any mammalian (and some non-mammalian) embryo, because they’re all pretty much the same at the point.

The point is, the embryo is very obvious NOT a human at this point, so any argument you try to make “preserving human life” is totally inapplicable.
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ignorant fool[/quote]

Because you know we morph from lion to human after “early” growth stage.
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